Snapdragon 820 (Galaxy S7) vs. A9 (iPhone 6S/6S Plus

[NickMcCandless]

If Apple invested in first party studios to build games that took advantage of their hardware, I believe that would be huge for them. Especially with the Apple TV being promoted as a gaming console in some ways.

The thing I don't understand about the TV though is they put an A8 in there that is already well dated, they should have raised the cost a little more and put the A9X in it.

 

[TommyA6]

I have an x1 setup and ran benchmarks on it and posted a thtead on here.nothing comes close to it in graphics benchmarks.

From memory 120fps trex off screen.it was more then double the gs6 and I think the a9 gets around 70fps.

Geekbench was 1700 single and 5500 multi but the kernel and rom I'm using only shows quad core.I'm not sure if the device is a quad or 8 core because nvidea dosnt really say what it is.

Arm a72 architecture is 45% faster single core so base that for next gen exynos.so if a typical 7420 runs 1500 single core we can expect 2175 geekbench at same clocks but rumors are saying 2.5ghz vs 2.1 on the 7420 so that leaked run of 2400 seems more likely for single core

PS this is off the shelf arm a72 cores and not the custom cores they are using so its up in the air but even if they go vanilla arm cores like the 7420 it will compete in single core and dominate in multi.

I'm willing to bet unlocked phones will break 10k multi core.

Developers have Samsung's open source kernels and have now unlocked the faster gpu clocks and are now working on raising the throttle temps to run sustained clocks longer.

I just changed mine from 80c to 90c and I can't get the thing to throttle clocks running most benchmarks.

It's killing about 5-10% battery life but we'll worth it to me.

So you're comparing a TV box/console or whatever it is, to a tiny phone?
How about comparing it to A9X which is much much more powerful (once it's out)?

 

[grkm3]

So you're comparing a TV box/console or whatever it is, to a tiny phone?
How about comparing it to A9X which is much much more powerful (once it's out)?

I'm not the one who brought up the x1 just putting some insight on how powerful the nvidea gpus are on it.

If you want to get technical the a9x is going up against the x2 since the x1 came out in January and was shown at ces and I've had my shield for months.

Yes its a 10watt chip but on older 20nm and giving 14nm it could easily hit cell phone tdp levels.

The x2 is supposed to kill everything in its path.something like 500gpu cores and will just laugh at the a9x

Here you go! X2 2600 single core and 206fps t Rex off screen!

That's almost 4x faster then a note 5 lol and 100 fps faster then the upcoming galaxy s7 with Samsung's custom mongoose cores.

A9x is not made to compete with that made gpu cores

 

[TommyA6]

I'm not the one who brought up the x1 just putting some insight on how powerful the nvidea gpus are on it.

If you want to get technical the a9x is going up against the x2 since the x1 came out in January and was shown at ces and I've had my shield for months.

Yes its a 10watt chip but on older 20nm and giving 14nm it could easily hit cell phone tdp levels.

The x2 is supposed to kill everything in its path.something like 500gpu cores and will just laugh at the a9x

Here you go! X2 2600 single core and 206fps t Rex off screen!

That's almost 4x faster then a note 5 lol and 100 fps faster then the upcoming galaxy s7 with Samsung's custom mongoose cores.

A9x is not made to compete with that made gpu cores

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Lol.
First of all. When is the X2 going to be available worldwide in consumer products? LATE NEXT YEAR.
So yeah, let's stick to X1, which is actually available now.

Also, that 2600 number for x2 is geekbench single core? A9X will easily beat that. Normal A9 scores 2500 single core...

 

[grkm3]

Lol.
First of all. When is the X2 going to be available worldwide in consumer products? LATE NEXT YEAR.
So yeah, let's stick to X1, which is actually available now.

Also, that 2600 number for x2 is geekbench single core? A9X will easily beat that. Normal A9 scores 2500 single core...

Let me get this straight you are trying to compare an unreleased 16/14nm a9x soc to a 20nm chip that's been out for MONTHS?

The x2 will be made on tsmc 16nm finfet using the same exact process as the a9x and is coming out q2 2016 not q4.lets keep this apples to apples ok bud.

Both are tablet socs and both using same process.the x1 was built to destroy the a8x and everything else in its path.funny how you don't compare those together?

Talk about reaching out lol

I wonder if the a9x can even beat the older x1 in gaming.a9 scores what 70-75 fps trex off screen? Do you think the a9x will score 50fps more then a9?

And what can you use the a9x for in gaming? At least the x1 and x2 have dedicated games in there play store and can run direct pc ports of the latest pc games.

Here is x2 parkers road map!

 

[TommyA6]

Let me get this straight you are trying to compare an unreleased 16/14nm a9x soc to a 20nm chip that's been out for MONTHS?

The x2 will be made on tsmc 16nm finfet using the same exact process as the a9x and is coming out q2 2016 not q4

Talk about reaching out lol

I wonder if the a9x can even beat the older x1 in gaming.a9 scores what 70-75 fps trex off screen? Do you think the a9x will score 50fps more then a9?

A9X will be out in a month and the first tablet/PC with x1 was just announced. A pretty fair comparison. Even the nvidia shield console is only 3.5 months old. The next gen won't be out for 6+ months.
Also, are you seriously using shield console benchmark numbers as a proof of its potential power in a TABLET lol? Pixel c won't be able to reproduce them. Either way, A9X will most likely beat it as it is twice as fast as A9.

 

[TommyA6]

Let me get this straight you are trying to compare an unreleased 16/14nm a9x soc to a 20nm chip that's been out for MONTHS?

The x2 will be made on tsmc 16nm finfet using the same exact process as the a9x and is coming out q2 2016 not q4

Talk about reaching out lol

I wonder if the a9x can even beat the older x1 in gaming.a9 scores what 70-75 fps trex off screen? Do you think the a9x will score 50fps more then a9?

A9X will be out in a month and the first tablet/PC with x1 was just announced. A pretty fair comparison. Even the nvidia shield console is only 3.5 months old. The next gen won't be out for 6+ months.
Also, are you seriously using shield console benchmark numbers as a proof of its potential power in a TABLET lol? Pixel c won't be able to reproduce them. Either way, A9X will most likely beat it as it is twice as fast as A9.

 

[grkm3]

A9X will be out in a month and the first tablet/PC with x1 was just announced. A pretty fair comparison. Even the nvidia shield console is only 3.5 months old. The next gen won't be out for 6+ months.
Also, are you seriously using shield console benchmark numbers as a proof of its potential power in a TABLET lol? Pixel c won't be able to reproduce them. Either way, A9X will most likely beat it as it is twice as fast as A9.

X1 was announced at ces Jan 4 2015 and I had my x1 shield TV in may so we are going on 5 months now not 3.5!

You are delusional if you think it's fair to compare an un released a9x chip to a chip that was shown late 2014 and out in mass volume by late may 2015.

I'm also not following you as yes I am serious ?

The shield TV is very small and compact and the pixel c is running the same exact clock speeds as the shield TV.

PS also having another oem use the x1 has nothing to do with the hardware out.they just started letting other oems use it and wanted to sell there own hardware first to reap the profits.

Samsung also just started selling the exynos 7420 to other oems so you will start seeing cheap china clone phones coming out with the gs6 CPU inside them.

 

[Tsepz]

The Exynos8890 is the one to lookout for. The SD820 sounds like it will be good and not amazing by the time it arrives.

 

[Tsepz]

New Exynos 8890 Geekbench:
Single: 2300
Multi: 6900
www.phonearena.com/news/Alleged-Galaxy-S7-Exynos-chipset-clocks-record-benchmarks-power-saving-modes-revealed_id74442

It is still being optimised, so scores may get better.

A beast is on its way.

I hope the Note6 uses a further improved version this chip.

 

[Truefan31]

Why are console benchmarks being compared to mobile power? I know people don't wanna give Apple credit for putting beastly power in their mobile devices but this is pretty unfair. The a9 is basically being compared to a surface pro 3. I understand the future brings advancements but jeez at least acknowledge Apple really succeeded on the a9 and with optimized software I bet it'll mean great user experiences.

 

[grkm3]

New Exynos 8890 Geekbench:
Single: 2300
Multi: 6900
www.phonearena.com/news/Alleged-Galaxy-S7-Exynos-chipset-clocks-record-benchmarks-power-saving-modes-revealed_id74442

It is still being optimised, so scores may get better.

A beast is on its way.

I hope the Note6 uses a further improved version this chip.

I think final target clocks are 2.5-2.6ghz and rumor is 820 for 3ghz

 

[grkm3]

Why are console benchmarks being compared to mobile power? I know people don't wanna give Apple credit for putting beastly power in their mobile devices but this is pretty unfair. The a9 is basically being compared to a surface pro 3. I understand the future brings advancements but jeez at least acknowledge Apple really succeeded on the a9 and with optimized software I bet it'll mean great user experiences.

Who is comparing the x1/x2 to phone socs? We are comparing it to a8x and a9x witch are both tablet socs just like the x1/x2

Tommyboy is trying to compare an unreleased 14nm a9x to an older 20nm x1 that's been out for months.

Let's keep it fair and compare 14/16nm to 14/16nm

 

[TommyA6]

Who is comparing the x1/x2 to phone socs? We are comparing it to a8x and a9x witch are both tablet socs just like the x1/x2

Tommyboy is trying to compare an unreleased 14nm a9x to an older 20nm x1 that's been out for months.

Let's keep it fair and compare 14/16nm to 14/16nm

And you keep comparing Apple's actual SoCs to nvidia vaporware (x2), which won't be available for 6+ months.
It's not Apple's fault nvidia is unable to actually put their chips in actual mobile devices for 10 months. X1 (the one in pixel tablet, not the one from the shield console) should be compared to A9X because both will be available in the competing products of the same generation.

 

[Truefan31]

Who is comparing the x1/x2 to phone socs? We are comparing it to a8x and a9x witch are both tablet socs just like the x1/x2

Tommyboy is trying to compare an unreleased 14nm a9x to an older 20nm x1 that's been out for months.

Let's keep it fair and compare 14/16nm to 14/16nm

But the a9x will be here in a month, of 2015. The supposed x2 isn't slated until at the earliest by your own admission mid 2016. By then you'll be closer to the supposed a10x. So I think it's fair to compare the a9x to the x1.

Honestly this feels like a reluctance to acknowledge the feat achieved from Apple and the a9/a9x. Already looking ahead to things that haven't been released yet that will supposedly blow it away. Seems like I read about all these specs that are so advanced and touted. Then Apple brings out products that provide great user experiences, and oh by the way it's really powerful, like a secondary benefit. Sites like anandtech reveal that Apple SoC engineering is top notch. Instead of admiring things like this, we get "oh but xxx coming will do this in geek bench etc". It reeks of desperation honestly.

It's just like when the Galaxy s6 came out. They used ufs 2.0 which some bragged was so advanced in storage speed and that Apple would be behind because they had nothing like it. Instead Apple basically manages to put MacBook ssd like controller in, surpassing read/writes and being touted as far advanced to the point others will be catching up for a while. Like people really think Apple doesn't know how to put innovation in its products.

 

[nickchallis92]

The iPhones will continue to win as long as they keep releasing them with screen resolutions from 2011.

 

[TommyA6]

The iPhones will continue to win as long as they keep releasing them with screen resolutions from 2011.

iPhone 6s Plus doesn't have a 2011 resolution. It's not Apple's fault some of their competitors went way overboard with the resolution.
On the other hand, A9X in the iPad pro will be pushing a 2732 x 2048 (5,5 million pixels), much more than any of the competitors.

 

[nickchallis92]

Samsung have hardly gone way overboard. They have the best mobile screens for a reason. The incredible resolution is one of them.

 

[grkm3]

And you keep comparing Apple's actual SoCs to nvidia vaporware (x2), which won't be available for 6+ months.
It's not Apple's fault nvidia is unable to actually put their chips in actual mobile devices for 10 months. X1 (the one in pixel tablet, not the one from the shield console) should be compared to A9X because both will be available in the competing products of the same generation.

The x1 came out the same time as a8x and will most likely still beat the a9x in gaming lol

Sounds like someone is a little but hurt that a gaming company has a gaming gpu that out powers the power vr in the apple socs.

It's also amusing you are comparing an unreleased a9x chip to a chip made to compete with the a8x but won't compare nvidias unreleased 16nm chip to another unreleased 16nm chip built in the same factory.

Where were you when x1 was out and iPad air 2 with a8x was out and the x1 mopped the floor with it?

Not only was it faster single core,it beat it multi and murdered it in gaming

That's right all we heard was crickets and silence from you

 

[Tig Bitties]

Samsung’s Mongoose SoC benchmarks leak, shows incredible performance

http://www.sammobile.com/2015/10/06...benchmarks-leak-shows-incredible-performance/

“Samsung’s upcoming Exynos processor has relatively similar single core performance as Apple's A9,” only in Single core performance. It’s multicore performance blows past the A9 by over 50% and even scores higher in power saving mode.

Quite impressive are the Ultra Power Saving results. When enabled, this CPU is faster than the one in my Galaxy S5, which imho has already enough power. So with Android 6.0 and this beast, we can have a smartphone which will last for days!! (If Samsung wont aim for the thinnest device and therefore sacrificing battery capacity)

 

[TommyA6]

The x1 came out the same time as a8x and will most likely still beat the a9x in gaming lol

Sounds like someone is a little but hurt that a gaming company has a gaming gpu that out powers the power vr in the apple socs.

It's also amusing you are comparing an unreleased a9x chip to a chip made to compete with the a8x but won't compare nvidias unreleased 16nm chip to another unreleased 16nm chip built in the same factory.

Where were you when x1 was out and iPad air 2 with a8x was out and the x1 mopped the floor with it?

Not only was it faster single core,it beat it multi and murdered it in gaming

That's right all we heard was crickets and silence from you

Lol what?
X1 came out in competing form only a couple of days ago in Pixel c. The only other product which used it up to that point was a console. Incomparable to a tablet. I don't care what nvidia had in their labs in January 2015. What matters is actual products.
Either way, it's pointless to argue with you, especially when official A9X numbers aren't out yet.

 

[FFR]

Lol what?
X1 came out in competing form only a couple of days ago in Pixel c. The only other product which used it up to that point was a console. Incomparable to a tablet. I don't care what nvidia had in their labs in January 2015. What matters is actual products.
Either way, it's pointless to argue with you, especially when official A9X numbers aren't out yet.

I agree with what your saying.
It is fair to compare the pixel's X1 to the iPad pro a9x because both are tablets ( and not a console) and both will be released with in by next month.

 

[FFR]

The x1 came out the same time as a8x and will most likely still beat the a9x in gaming lol

Sounds like someone is a little but hurt that a gaming company has a gaming gpu that out powers the power vr in the apple socs.

It's also amusing you are comparing an unreleased a9x chip to a chip made to compete with the a8x but won't compare nvidias unreleased 16nm chip to another unreleased 16nm chip built in the same factory.

Where were you when x1 was out and iPad air 2 with a8x was out and the x1 mopped the floor with it?

Not only was it faster single core,it beat it multi and murdered it in gaming

That's right all we heard was crickets and silence from you

You do realize one is a console that is plugged into the wall and the second is on a tablet that's 6.9 mm thin and has to work with a battery.

 

[Truefan31]

You do realize one is a console that is plugged into the wall and the second is on a tablet that's 6.9 mm thin and has to work with a battery.

That's what I don't get either. So is the pixel the one to compare? The shield is a console right?

Swear it's like people can't admit Apple outdid expectations with their cpu and storage speeds.

 

[FFR]

That's what I don't get either. So is the pixel the one to compare? The shield is a console right?

Swear it's like people can't admit Apple outdid expectations with their cpu and storage speeds.

Or the fact that some want to compare the a9x to vapor ware, that might or might not launch next year.

The fact remains that the iPad pro will be released in November with the a9x on board, I'm getting one. Can I get a tablet with an x2 by November or December? No, then the x2 is irrelevant until it launches in tangible form on a tablet.