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I never found Exposé very useful when there are a lot of windows open. It always takes me a while to scan through all the tiny windows, and depending on what you're looking for, it can be very hard to find the right one.

I haven't used Lion yet and have only seen videos of Mission Control, but it seems to me it's a lot easier to quickly spot the application of the window you're looking for, and from there you can quickly get to the right application windows.
 
Buttons - The buttons are now small and harder to push. When you hover over one, all of them show their functions (X, -, +). They do not look right and consistent with the UI.
In Lion System Preferences is there a UI Scaling preference?

If there is, this could help with peoples issues over font and button sizes.

As an aside, did you know in Snow Leopard, Finder has a "Use Small Size" option that affects the buttons in the toolbar? Do you have this enabled?
Edit: This option could be gone in the Lion version of Finder. However, the UI scaling question remains valid.
 
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In Lion System Preferences is there a UI Scaling preference?

If there is, this could help with peoples issues over font and button sizes.

As an aside, did you know in Snow Leopard, Finder has a "Use Small Size" option that affects the buttons in the toolbar? Do you have this enabled?

I have no idea what you are talking about. I checked finder there is nothing. I am talking about that the button size in Lion is smaller thus uglier than Snow Leopard.
 
I like the GUI of Lion much better, infact after using Lion for a while Snow Leopard looks ugly in comparison :p
 
I remain steadfast in my position. To be fair I'm taking a wait and see approach.

Although after well over a decade of looking forward to, and enjoying each and every OS upgrade that Apple created for the Mac, this is the one time that my initial feelings contain no excitement or expectations whatsoever.

It's a new day (which is good) but we are now dealing with a very unpredictable and vastly changed Apple (as a company), which is either good or bad depending on each of our preferences.

Not being one for the fluff and eye candy just for the sake of "wowing" people in the stores and once they take their shiny new iToys home, I have a less than positive feel about the iOS influence in OS X. I hope I'm wrong and there are things that I find beneficial enough to make it worthwhile.

Yet that said, I've been following it very closely and so far it's too much Toys R US and not enough serious productivity.

Oh well, all good things must come to an end, I just didn't think it would be Apples Computers this soon. Time will tell.
 
I recall a few things from past OS X releases mainly:
Jaguar (10.2) is waaaay better than Panther (10.3)

a year later

Panther (10.3) is so much better than Tiger (10.4)

a year or two later

Tiger (10.4) kills this new Leopard (10.5)

and eventually

Leopard (10.5) > Snow Leopard (10.6)

Which finally brings us to this thread. Give it time friends... and also wait for the GM to start ranting about how much you hate 10.7.

EDIT: BTW I use Spaces and love it.

Yup exactly, everyone is afraid of change, but in my opinion Lion looks like a change for the better. :D
 
One thing i personally don't like is the gestures because now i have to use three fingers to highlight something or move it.

I like the SL behavior better, where i can just click and drag to move or select something.
 
One thing i personally don't like is the gestures because now i have to use three fingers to highlight something or move it.

I like the SL behavior better, where i can just click and drag to move or select something.

huh:confused:
Are you talking about in Launchpad or a Finder window?
 
UI:

Buttons - I agree with this that it is more annoying to press but it does save space.

Transition Effects - Beta, all I can say here.

Finder/iTunes - I can go both ways on this one. I do like color because it is nicer to look at but I also like the grey because it flows better. My point of view is that your attention shouldn't be on the menus but the contents(Pictures, music, videos...ect).

Full Screen Button - Doesn't bother me... then again I keeps all my applications in full screen.

Gestures/New Features:

Mission Control - Love Mission Control but I never used Space & Expose on SL or Leopard.

Launch Pad - Launch pad is probably my least favorite. It feels like it doesn't belong.

Resume - I think it is pretty cool to have that instant on feel of the iPhone/iPad.

Versions - I haven't had much experience with Versions.
 
If I wanted a grey operating system, I would just switch back to Windows 98. Color is very important. If Apple is going to put in features like these new gestures and mission control, we could be able to do everything Snow Leopard did in options. Therefore, Apple needs to give more control over gestures without a 3rd party application and let us decide if we want Mission Control vs. Normal Expose. Thats my big gripe. I can understand now people actually use spaces. But for those who just use Expose, it is easier to have it by itself because you can see more windows as it is not small like in Mission Control.

I agree with you that it would be nice if Apple gave users the option to switch things back again, but I have to say I like the new mono-chrome colouring much better.

When it first came out with iTunes 10, I was horrified at first and even used the terminal to switch it back again. However after having given it a chance I think it is a big improvement. It is less aggressive and let's one concentrate on the content. Colour there isn't necessary. People also fundamentally often resist change. It is natural.

Still, options where possible would be nice. My betting is though that within a few months of using Lion you won't even notice.
 
Versions: Completely agree. Except for the fact that they removed "Save as..." and replaced it with "Save a version...". I used Save As all the time. :(

How does this work with templates

I create a templete for a letter, with the basic information I need

I then fill in the info and do a save as, this is then totally un related to the original, it is not a version of it, it's a new file on its own

or

if i have a document I sent to someone, I need to send to someone else but slightly changed, I would save this as a new file, don't want it related to original
 
I manage some Windows boxes at work and the gray color schemes in Outlook 2010 are hideous. It is SOOO difficult to read the shades of gray. It looks very classy at first, but after a minute I was begging for eye-popping colors in the sidebar. Then iTunes followed suit. Not as bad as Windows Outlook, but still less functional than before. I hope it is just an option in the Lion sidebar.
 
I manage some Windows boxes at work and the gray color schemes in Outlook 2010 are hideous. It is SOOO difficult to read the shades of gray. It looks very classy at first, but after a minute I was begging for eye-popping colors in the sidebar. Then iTunes followed suit. Not as bad as Windows Outlook, but still less functional than before. I hope it is just an option in the Lion sidebar.

I mean UI can ALWAYS be changed. Like iTunes here is a theme.. http://macthemes.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=16805795

This makes the theme look more Snow Leopardish.

I am sure on the same site they will "fix" Lion.

My main gripe is the gestures and lack of NORMAL expose.
 
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Cheers, but that doesnt mention how you give it a new name

Save As allows you to enter new file name, if you duplicate in Lion how do you give it a new name

Wth are you talking about?
1. Select file. 2. Press enter. 3. Rename file. 4. Done.
 
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Wth are you talking about?
1. Select file. 2. Press enter. 3. Rename file. 4. Done.

Ok,

So when you do the save as duplicate feature is brings up a standard save as box, where you do as you mention above

I am not talking about Finder incase that is what you wrote about

Snow Leopard, open a document, go to Save As and give it a new name
Lion, Go to save as Duplicate, how do I give it a new name ? as Save As dosnt exist
 
This reminds me of all the "Tiger > Leopard" threads that filled these forums back in the day.

Well...when it comes to Exposé, I actually still feel that there's some truth to that. :p I'm expecting to like Lion's Exposé a bit more again, though, because as far as I can tell from the information out there, it appears to keep window size relations mostly intact and doesn't try to arrange windows in a perfect grid.

Tiger:
tiger.jpg


Snow Leopard:
sl.jpg
 
Buttons - The buttons are now small and harder to push. When you hover over one, all of them show their functions (X, -, +). They do not look right and consistent with the UI.
They show their functions like that in Snow Leopard too? It's a feature I like as I use the graphite appearance for them, and it works well, and smaller and crisper is better IMO, though I can understand that it maybe a pain on high resolution displays, but I use keyboard shortcuts for closing/minimising/maximising windows most of the time anyway.

Finder/iTunes - iTunes 10 was a sneak preview of Lion's new UI. I do not understand why Apple would go from a colorful theme to a black and white one. It is very boring. Also, the shades of grey make it seem like the buttons are sometimes greyed out (inactive), but they actually work. Below, I think it is obvious which looks better.
I actually really hated the updated iTunes look, but it's actually really grown on me. When you compare them, the unified look is much sleeker and less intrusive than the chaos of colour look; it does mean that the icons need to be very clear if the names aren't available, but I like it. An OS shouldn't be colourful and garish, it should be something you hardly see as it becomes a background to what you're doing.

Granted animation doesn't fit this motif, but if it's actually giving a sense of what you're doing, then it's actually an important element.

This is why OS X is becoming more and more sleek and usable, while Windows is playing catch-up, as Microsoft are still at the "make it colourful and flashy like a children's toy" stage, and while it's pretty to look at it, it's horrible to use, as minimalist and functional is what we need from an OS, so the focus can be on what I want to do.

Mission Control - The point of Mission Control is to merge Expose and Spaces. However, I have never met anyone that actually uses spaces.
Can you not just use Exposé as before if you like? And aren't Dashboard, Spaces, and Fullscreen Apps all handled the same way in Mission Control? So it seems like it's not just a case of Spaces + Exposé.

I don't use Spaces either, but with the unified location I may actually be more inclined to. It also seems an even more elegant way to handle things, as it rolls together Spaces, Dashboard, and both full-desktop and application Exposé in a way that ought to be more useful than ever.
 
Ok,

So when you do the save as duplicate feature is brings up a standard save as box, where you do as you mention above

I am not talking about Finder incase that is what you wrote about

Snow Leopard, open a document, go to Save As and give it a new name
Lion, Go to save as Duplicate, how do I give it a new name ? as Save As dosnt exist

Versions menu -> Duplicate -> Save -> Enter name
 
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