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Snow Leopard vs Mountain Lion
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I think, one of the reasons why Apple switched from Spaces in SL to Mission Control in Lion, was the way Lion miss-handles Full-Screen mode. If you have a rigid number of Spaces, you can't have an app create its own Space, but I still think SL handled Full-Screen mode better than Lion or ML. True there was no official Full-Screen mode in SL, but many apps, especially video players, went Full-Screen in the current Space. This is great if you have multiple monitors since you can have say a video playing in Full-screen mode on 1 monitor while you continue to say surf the web on another. You can even have the video player be in every Space so that if you change Spaces to do something else the player moves with you. In Lion if you are playing a video in its Full-Screen mode, then watching the video is all you can do unless the player has chosen to not use Lion's Full-Screen mode and do it the old fashion way.
Also they may have done this to make things simpler and more iOS style. It is good to make things simpler, if you don't remove the functionality that was there before, which is what Apple did.
These ar the top 2 reasons why I'm sticking with SL.
This is not my experience. Video apps in Mountain Lion like Plex and Hulu Desktop still support the same full screen video modes on one monitor while allowing other apps to run on other monitors. They don't use the full-screen mode that Lion/Mt. Lion introduced.
It seems like that's what they did. Add a full screen mode, and app developers can continue to use the previous functionality if it works better for their purposes (like video players).
Snow Leopard Server now $19.99 from Apple
I spoke to a rep and ordered it. I do not see any part number on the confirmation email or online when I access my account (it has not arrived yet):
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I spoke to a rep and ordered it. I do not see any part number on the confirmation email or online when I access my account (it has not arrived yet):
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Good to hear that at least the app developers are listening. Maybe if only Apple will listen and give us a choice between "Mission Control/Full-Screen in its own Desktop" and "Spaces/Expose/Full-Screen in the same Space"
So, to recap:
It is a common Urban Myth that the Snow Leopard EULA prohibits its use in virtualization in Lion or Mt. Lion on a Mac.
Apple sat back quietly while its shills continued to propagate that myth, since it resulted in larger sales of Snow Leopard Server for $499+.
That myth has been largely debunked over the last 18 months; especially by those who have documented workarounds that allowed Parallels and VMWare Fusion to install Snow Leopard client; which Apple was powerless to stop.
Apple finally threw in the towel recently and now offers Snow Leopard Server for $19.99 + sales tax & shipping (call 1.800.MYAPPLE (1.800.692.7753)).
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It is a common Urban Myth that the Snow Leopard EULA prohibits its use in virtualization in Lion or Mt. Lion on a Mac.
Apple sat back quietly while its shills continued to propagate that myth, since it resulted in larger sales of Snow Leopard Server for $499+.
That myth has been largely debunked over the last 18 months; especially by those who have documented workarounds that allowed Parallels and VMWare Fusion to install Snow Leopard client; which Apple was powerless to stop.
Apple finally threw in the towel recently and now offers Snow Leopard Server for $19.99 + sales tax & shipping (call 1.800.MYAPPLE (1.800.692.7753)).
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Snow Leopard Server Apple Part Number: MC588Z/A
1.800.MYAPPLE (1.800.692.7753) - telephone orders only.
May only be available to US & Canada for now; I am trans-shipping a copy to Italy per request.
1.800.MYAPPLE (1.800.692.7753) - telephone orders only.
May only be available to US & Canada for now; I am trans-shipping a copy to Italy per request.
Just got my SLS today. Hope to get it installed as a VM this weekend. Thanks again for the pointer.
Sales rep I talked to at the Apple Canada Store (same 1-800 phone #) insisted that they do not have SL Server for sale anymore, that they haven't had it for months, and to his knowledge, the US Store hasn't had it for several months either. I asked twice if there was someone else I could ask and he said there wasn't. So I hung up. Not impressed.
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I called back 5 minutes later and got a different rep. He said it definitely was available for $19.99 + shipping. It's on its way.
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I called back 5 minutes later and got a different rep. He said it definitely was available for $19.99 + shipping. It's on its way.
Thank YOU for all your support over on the Apple Support Community Forum.
I think our persistence in shoe-horning Snow Leopard client into Parallels (and VMWare Fusion by others following my instructions for Parallels) and the fact that the Snow Leopard EULA does not prohibit its virtualization in Lion or Mt. Lion on a Mac, finally convinced Apple to throw in the towel and make Snow Leopard Server available again and at a reasonable price (the same price as Snow Leopard client).
This is really a victory for all of those that need continued access to Rosetta to run their PowerPC apps, especially those with newer hardware that will only run Lion or Mt. Lion.
With 4GB RAM on my MBP I understand why 8GB is now the standard...
I am starting to suspect that upgrading from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion on my MBP (see sig) was a mistake at least until I learn new habit patterns. Where before I could open applications without worry, now I have to watch the Activity Monitor to make sure I don't get too many apps open or I face the perpetual spinning beach ball. This is happening to me quite a bit. Once in this mode, most of my apps will not respond and I get a spinning ball that seems to last forever, even in the force shutdown window.
Maybe Apple should include a built in warning when opening another app, that you are about to exceed performance memory limitations for your hardware?
I don't know that much about Activity Monitor. What parameters should I be trying to keep or avoid? It seems that once an application has been opened and closed, it still hangs onto memory resources. Is there a way to free up memory without a restart? Thanks!
Update: A quick Google search revealed: this MacLife Article and using 'purge' command in the Terminal. Extremely easy and it changed my Free memory from 47MB to 1.16GB. This is going to have to become a routine. Too bad there is no way to tell the system you always want tied up memory purged?
So why is OSX holding on to memory like this??
(Open terminal, and at the prompt type 'purge'. That's it.)
I am starting to suspect that upgrading from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion on my MBP (see sig) was a mistake at least until I learn new habit patterns. Where before I could open applications without worry, now I have to watch the Activity Monitor to make sure I don't get too many apps open or I face the perpetual spinning beach ball. This is happening to me quite a bit. Once in this mode, most of my apps will not respond and I get a spinning ball that seems to last forever, even in the force shutdown window.
Maybe Apple should include a built in warning when opening another app, that you are about to exceed performance memory limitations for your hardware?
I don't know that much about Activity Monitor. What parameters should I be trying to keep or avoid? It seems that once an application has been opened and closed, it still hangs onto memory resources. Is there a way to free up memory without a restart? Thanks!
Update: A quick Google search revealed: this MacLife Article and using 'purge' command in the Terminal. Extremely easy and it changed my Free memory from 47MB to 1.16GB. This is going to have to become a routine. Too bad there is no way to tell the system you always want tied up memory purged?
So why is OSX holding on to memory like this??
(Open terminal, and at the prompt type 'purge'. That's it.)
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OSX is supposed to "release" that memory once you need it and it generally does in my experience. Idle memory does you no good. Indeed, you paid for it so you might as well use it.
I've run into the spinning beach ball with 40MB of free memory. Now that I am regularly watching the Activity Monitor and occasionally using the purge command, I'll see if I do better avoiding those long hangs.
I've gotten SmartMemoryCleaner on SL through the appstore. It allows me to quickly keep track of inactive memory in the menubar and also purge inactive memory.
There's people with 32GB memory and still getting page outs. Thats really messed up.
Typically, any app developed by Adobe can do this.Wow. How many apps and files do they have open at one time?
I have Lion on my Mac Pro and its been flawless for me. Fast as can be, seriously no issues. Will be putting ML on my 2008 mac pro after im done building it.
For ML I have it on my m2009 Macbook and once again I have zero issues. It was slow at first because my macbook only had 2 gigs of ram but once I upgraded to 4gb its perfect.
You guys sure a lot of you simply dont have enough ram? Lion and ML really shouldn't be on anything with less then 4gb ram. They do use more system resources then previous OS's it seems.
For ML I have it on my m2009 Macbook and once again I have zero issues. It was slow at first because my macbook only had 2 gigs of ram but once I upgraded to 4gb its perfect.
You guys sure a lot of you simply dont have enough ram? Lion and ML really shouldn't be on anything with less then 4gb ram. They do use more system resources then previous OS's it seems.
Typically, any app developed by Adobe can do this.
Yes, he works with the Adobe Creative CS6 suit. With 32GB and getting pageouts, something is wrong with Mountain Lion?...
Dude, I have no idea what you're talking about much less why you replied to me about it.