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Dear, @fyun89, I meant to reply to this sooner, but I've just been busy, You said your iPad's five now. How fast to use is it? Look, I'm really shocked you call Apple that. And here's to you for bringing up the issue. I'm writing this on an iPad 3. I'm sorry you wont see 32-bit apps on the App Store, but it must be cluttered. Don't think Apple is doing it intentionally just to diss you. But what's this stuff about 2012 being a bad year to purchase an iPad? They released the 4 because the 3 was just clowning dude, how gullible to buy it were you?


I get all of the issues Apple are causing, but I think you need some reflection, to help yourself from stressing over your iPad 3 when you get down some. And whats that about Apple being unfair? That's the type of post that makes us fans not want to help each other. I really think you for your apps need to be back up a bit more often. Or maybe you need to store them better.


I hope you get to read this post, and that it reaches you in time. I think before they phase out 32-bit apps you'll be doing just fine. I think that you'll be doing just fine. If you back up a little.


I'm glad to be able to help you, but @fyun89, why are you so disappointed? Try to understand that Apple DO want you as a fan. They just don't want you to be using some old hardware. Did you hear about that guy on the news a couple of weeks ago? A stingy pr*ck, he uses his Newton daily with a stylus stick. He had his files stored on 3.5" floppies. And it was slow as hell. And in his notes he didn't say why it was, but come to think about it.. that could be you.. Damn.
 
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That should be judged by the owners of the product. My point is that the brand is "forcing" the phase out of the old products.
They can easily maintain old iOS apps for the sake of old device users.

And by your definition, I must change $2700 Macbook Pro + $600 iPad + $800 iPhone + $600 Apple Watch every 4 years?

That definitely does not seem fair to consumers in my opinion.

Welcome to the world of technology. Not sure why you're surprised. If you're expecting iOS 11 to be supported on your 2012 iPad 3, that'll be very rare considering iOS 10 wasn't supported. Brands force the phase out of products all the time. Sure people keep Macs and iPads for 3,4,5 years. But the vast majority to don't keep a phone that long. Maybe three years tops. Also apple products greatly hold their value so you can usually easily sell them. Companies have to move forward with new technology to keep innovating. I'm sure there were many people who said their horse and buggies were just fine when the automobile came along.

I say simply "get with the times" and get a new iPad. You'll love it and it'll last you another 5 years.

I'll also add " life isn't fair" in response to you claiming apple isn't being fair to consumers. If you don't like it , then move to a mother platform. You'll have loads more issues to complain about.
 
Welcome to the world of technology. Not sure why you're surprised. If you're expecting iOS 11 to be supported on your 2012 iPad 3, that'll be very rare considering iOS 10 wasn't supported. Brands force the phase out of products all the time. Sure people keep Macs and iPads for 3,4,5 years. But the vast majority to don't keep a phone that long. Maybe three years tops. Also apple products greatly hold their value so you can usually easily sell them. Companies have to move forward with new technology to keep innovating. I'm sure there were many people who said their horse and buggies were just fine when the automobile came along.

I say simply "get with the times" and get a new iPad. You'll love it and it'll last you another 5 years.

I'll also add " life isn't fair" in response to you claiming apple isn't being fair to consumers. If you don't like it , then move to a mother platform. You'll have loads more issues to complain about.
Any modern iPhone or iPad can easily last 5 years. That's a great lifespan considering the alternative usually only gets 3 if even that.
 
Any modern iPhone or iPad can easily last 5 years. That's a great lifespan considering the alternative usually only gets 3 if even that.
Of course they can last 5 years. But the vast majority of people don't keep their phones for more than 5 years. How many iPhone 4s do you still see around??? Not many.
 
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Welcome to the world of technology. You should really compare Apple to others. If you did, you would see they pretty much only support what they currently offer. You are lucky to have support for a year after purchase.

For the record, I still have and use a MBP late 2008 because it meets my purposes. I've also waited for Apple to sell a MBP I feel comfortable buying. Still waiting. There are things I'm not able to do with it but I have other products that meet the need.

You can do what you want. Even if that means keeping your stuff longer than 4 years. But that's a LONG time for silicone. To say "it's not fair to consumers" is not correct. In fact, reality is it's not fair to consumers who want to take advantage of the current technology they have in their hands.

I'm not sure why you're so defensive about the short product cycle. If you are a reasonable consumer, there is little to no reason to back Apple (or any brand) on this issue.

I am indeed very well aware of IT industry (I even work in it) and I do not like how they are shortening the life cycle of these products.

My Windows laptop that I bought in 2008 is still working perfectly fine. Heck even 2009 Macbook pro is still working fine as my 2012 Macbook Pro Retina display today (2017)

There are plenty of electronics that has been working for more than 5 years but the trend of that length is going down.

Whether or not Apple is removing 32bit apps, no new update for iOS devices just means vulnerability from hackers and malwares. But then again, Apple makes the devices slower every update (which they BS about how they added new feature and that slows the devices down... which is total crap. They dont need to stuff in new features and just simply add security update only so that no performance has been compromised).

I am a fan of Apple products. However, I try to remember that I am still a consumer and needs to hink obejctively. I strongly suggest you to rethink about whether how Apple is forcing update and not allowing to roll back to previous version and other things I've discussed above are reasonable. If you're are a consumer, that is.
 
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I'm not sure why you're so defensive about the short product cycle. If you are a reasonable consumer, there is little to no reason to back Apple (or any brand) on this issue.

I am indeed very well aware of IT industry (I even work in it) and I do not like how they are shortening the life cycle of these products.

My Windows laptop that I bought in 2008 is still working perfectly fine. Heck even 2009 Macbook pro is still working fine as my 2012 Macbook Pro Retina display today (2017)

There are plenty of electronics that has been working for more than 5 years but the trend of that length is going down.

Whether or not Apple is removing 32bit apps, no new update for iOS devices just means vulnerability from hackers and malwares. But then again, Apple makes the devices slower every update (which they BS about how they added new feature and that slows the devices down... which is total crap. They dont need to stuff in new features and just simply add security update only so that no performance has been compromised).

I am a fan of Apple products. However, I try to remember that I am still a consumer and needs to hink obejctively. I strongly suggest you to rethink about whether how Apple is forcing update and not allowing to roll back to previous version and other things I've discussed above are reasonable. If you're are a consumer, that is.
Apple did the same thing with OSX back in the day with 32bit intel chips. Apple has actually been surprisingly accommodating to supporting 32bit devices, if I owned a iPad 4 or iPhone 5 today I'd definitely be wanting to upgrade my devices, Apples cut off date for 32bit is completely reasonable. If you compare iOS 6 to iOS 10 there is a undeniable amount of new features and back end changes that do require more power. It's not BS it's how software works.
 
If you compare iOS 6 to iOS 10 there is a undeniable amount of new features and back end changes that do require more power. It's not BS it's how software works.

Yeah, but iOS 10.3 still runs on 32-bit devices. I'm not denying the superiority of 64-bit, but the suite of apps that leverage the full potential of 64-bit vs. 32-bit iOS is limited (for average users).
 
Yeah, but iOS 10.3 still runs on 32-bit devices. I'm not denying the superiority of 64-bit, but the suite of apps that leverage the full potential of 64-bit vs. 32-bit iOS is limited (for average users).
Not necessarily as 64 bit apps perform better, more power efficient,less bugs, all that equates to is a better user experience and more stability on devices. Also with iOS 11 I'm pretty sure something big is coming that will make abandoning the older devices make sense anyway as they simply can't run a lot of the newer features since iOS 8+
 
I have the Ipad 3 does that mean eventually the game I play Bleach would no longer be playable on my Ipad 3? What will happen will the games be removed from the Ipad 3 store and there will be no update making it not able to play?

Bleach when there is a update it needs to update otherwise it can't play the game.

TC where did you hear or read about Apple removing the 32 Bit version of the apps?
 
I have the Ipad 3 does that mean eventually the game I play Bleach would no longer be playable on my Ipad 3? What will happen will the games be removed from the Ipad 3 store and there will be no update making it not able to play?

Bleach when there is a update it needs to update otherwise it can't play the game.

TC where did you hear or read about Apple removing the 32 Bit version of the apps?
http://www.macworld.com/article/316...nly-apple-to-stop-support-of-32-bit-apps.html
 
Thanks for the link, I read that 32 bit Ipad are not able to update to the latest IOS.

But what about games on my current Ipad 3? Will it stop working when that happens?

I am planning to upgrade anyway so it no big issue, my ipad is getting laggy and crashes at time when I am playing.
As I see it your iPad would be stuck on iOS 9 and any app you download it would download the oldest compatible version of like it does currently with devices running unsupported operating systems.
 
I'm not sure why you're so defensive about the short product cycle. If you are a reasonable consumer, there is little to no reason to back Apple (or any brand) on this issue.

I am indeed very well aware of IT industry (I even work in it) and I do not like how they are shortening the life cycle of these products.

My Windows laptop that I bought in 2008 is still working perfectly fine. Heck even 2009 Macbook pro is still working fine as my 2012 Macbook Pro Retina display today (2017)

There are plenty of electronics that has been working for more than 5 years but the trend of that length is going down.

Whether or not Apple is removing 32bit apps, no new update for iOS devices just means vulnerability from hackers and malwares. But then again, Apple makes the devices slower every update (which they BS about how they added new feature and that slows the devices down... which is total crap. They dont need to stuff in new features and just simply add security update only so that no performance has been compromised).

I am a fan of Apple products. However, I try to remember that I am still a consumer and needs to hink obejctively. I strongly suggest you to rethink about whether how Apple is forcing update and not allowing to roll back to previous version and other things I've discussed above are reasonable. If you're are a consumer, that is.

You can strongly suggest all you want. I go for facts and Apple has proven time and again how accommodating they are to older products. You stated you were in IT, well, I know many people in IT that don't get IT.

Completely disagree with those who say with each OS update their older products slow down. I have experienced the exact opposite in most cases. The only time I've experienced an OS slowing down a device is one that next iteration is discontinued. Even then it's not left unusable.

I suggest you go educate yourself on older technologies and what it would take for OS's expected to operate on small devices like iPads and iPhones. Go look at other manufacturers and see what they do. Heck, Google dropped a new version of Android that could not be applied to devices still being sold. Devices they had only been on the market for months for crying out loud. Where Apple at the time was still supporting 5 year old devices with the new OS. That's just one example. The PC world is littered with examples like that where performance mattered.

As a consumer, I'm more than happy with how Apple supports their hardware.
 
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I have the Ipad 3 does that mean eventually the game I play Bleach would no longer be playable on my Ipad 3? What will happen will the games be removed from the Ipad 3 store and there will be no update making it not able to play?

Bleach when there is a update it needs to update otherwise it can't play the game.

TC where did you hear or read about Apple removing the 32 Bit version of the apps?
It's up to developers to determine when they'll stop making both 32-bit and 64-bit updates available. That said, I reckon this is probably a non-issue at least until 1-2 years down the line.
 
I'd say that's a good amount of use, and that iPad was a dog. You may want to consider the entry level iPad that just came out as a replacement. Pretty cheap.
 
Felt good this week getting rid of my last 32-bit iOS device. The writing is definitely on the wall for 32-bit, even though I have several 32-bit apps I regularly use, I'm afraid they won't get updated to 64-bit for iOS 11. Oh well.
 
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