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So frustrated by heat of MBP... considering 12" PB
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Im not buying the whole Laptop/Notebook crap. We buy laptops for one major reason to work on the go when you're not at a desk. If you're not at a desk you put your laptop on your lap. Its the way its been. Calling the laptop notebooks is just to save face. I mean even phill schiller Apple VP put his "notebook" on his lap when steve was demoing Bonjour during the macmini launch.
Laptops are meant to be used on your lap as i am doing now its the reason i buy them, not to have my testicles medium rare.
Laptops are meant to be used on your lap as i am doing now its the reason i buy them, not to have my testicles medium rare.
reflex said:
Its the reason i'm waiting for the merom update should i decide to go that route. I'm hoping they'll come to their senses and give us FW800, DL SuperDrives (16x would be nice) and an extra USB port and Magnetic latching mechanism. Enough of sacrificing features for form.
I'm getting worried reading this thread as I'm about the buy a MBP and was hoping it wouldn't get as hot as my girlfriends 12" PB. I think even they produce too much heat to put on your lap after they've been running for a while 
I think i remember some1 saying in another thread that the new CoreDuo2 machines will get even hotter than the current MBP
I think i remember some1 saying in another thread that the new CoreDuo2 machines will get even hotter than the current MBP
reflex said:
They make it is thin as possible so it is portable.
Not including a dual layer DVD probably has to do with 3 things; cost, heat, and power consumption. It's most likely not a matter of "we're going to screw over people that buy this machine by not putting in a dual-layer dvd just because we feel like it."
Under normal use (web photoshop elements email) the only time my 12 PB (1.33 GH) gets hot is when some backgroup process goes screwy and takes over 100% of the CPU. The hottest temp for normal use is 126 F and then the fans are on high. My fans typicaly do not come on and I work with the Powerbook on my lap all the time.
I've had my laptop up to 152 F but that was after 30 minutes of 100% CPU use doing video conversion and running off AC.
Hot is a subjective term.
I've had my laptop up to 152 F but that was after 30 minutes of 100% CPU use doing video conversion and running off AC.
Hot is a subjective term.
I've got to add to those supporting the 12" PB.
I know that it's pretty slow compared to the new Macbooks/Pro, but it remains the smallest laptop that Apple have ever made, with the extra sturdiness of the Al instead of the plastic on the Macbooks.
I did originally get the first, 867Mhz version, and that did get hot. But that was replaced under warranty with a 1.33Ghz version, which is much, much better. If portability matters most instead of absolute speed you can't go wrong with the 1.33 or 1.5 models, especially if you have access to a recent desktop as well - in fact, you'd probably be able to get the PB and an iMac for not much more than a Macbook Pro.
David
I know that it's pretty slow compared to the new Macbooks/Pro, but it remains the smallest laptop that Apple have ever made, with the extra sturdiness of the Al instead of the plastic on the Macbooks.
I did originally get the first, 867Mhz version, and that did get hot. But that was replaced under warranty with a 1.33Ghz version, which is much, much better. If portability matters most instead of absolute speed you can't go wrong with the 1.33 or 1.5 models, especially if you have access to a recent desktop as well - in fact, you'd probably be able to get the PB and an iMac for not much more than a Macbook Pro.
David
If this means anything, when I returned my MacBook Pro to CompUSA for a refund because it was so unbelievably hot compared to my 15" G4 PB. I was prepared to fight because their policy is not to give refunds on opened laptops, but after showing the manager how hot it actually gets (and that it wasn't just my MBP .. all of them do that), he gave a full refund with no fuss.Jericho2550 said:WAIT A SEC!!!!
the MBP gets hotter than a 12" PowerBook?! I have a 12" PowerBook, it gets annoyingly hot in my opinion, I'm about to get a MBP after the merom update, are you saying it will be even hotter than my PowerBook?
Or for Apple to do a second SMC firmware update for the existing Pros. The one they just released for the MacBooks made a significant difference in how hot it feels.FFTT said:
I had an early revision 12" PB, and it got really hot. This improved after one of the software updates, don't remember which one.
Passante said:
Who mentioned CDs?
I'm not saying that the Powerbooks are bad machines (quite the opposite, really), or that Macbooks/Pros are perfect. I'm just saying that the heat should not come as a huge surprise like a number of people in this thread are making it out to be. It's like moving from New York to Arizona, and complaining that it was hotter than you thought it would be. Macbook and Macbook Pro users own some of the most powerful portable computers to date, and that comes at a price....FASTER CHIPS GENERATE MORE HEAT. Figure it out.
daneoni said:
Good for Phill Schiller. You can put your computer on your lap, sure. But if it gets hot, like Apple, Dell, and every other major portable manufacturer warns you about, you shouldn't go complaining about the unfairness of life. If it bothers you that much, get a cooler (slower) Powerbook so you can use it comfortably on your lap. Otherwise, suck it up or put it on a desk- like Apple recommends.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=30612
It's not how much heat the CPU generates, it's how well the fans dissipate the heat. And for the record, the MacBooks and MacBook Pros aren't any more powerful than the cooler-running Core Duo notebooks that Lenovo and Sony are shipping.miles01110 said:
IMO, to simply accept that the new Apple notebooks "must" run hot because they've got a processor that is 4x-5x faster than the G4 that it replaced (and there's nothing that can be done about it) is wrong, especially when other manufacturers are shipping Core Duo notebooks that run a great deal cooler.
Apple themselves have proved this point by recently releasing a SMC firmware that lowered MacBook temperatures by running the fans differently enough to dissipate the heat better. Some folks are seeing over a 10'C drop in temperature.
Passante said:
I totally agree! I have my 12" 1.5GHz PB on my lap as I type and the fan is nice and quiet. It is definitely NOT hot, I can't even feel it through my pants.
Guys
You are supposed to give me some advices and tips
Anyhow, Ive decided to wait just a bit more and see if MB w/ merom is problem free.
Regarding the heal issue of my MBP, no one can change the fact that my MBP gets 70~80 degree Celsius. It's hot no matter how hot a person feels is subjective.
That's why I'm considering another laptop.
As I've said already, I'm pretty happy with the performance of MBP. I just don't buy "portable" and "laptop" logic.
Thanks for all the tips.
I thought the 12" PB refurbished was pretty decent deal, but then, Apple might be able to show us some real "laptops" pretty soon. So basically I'm hoping.
You are supposed to give me some advices and tips
Anyhow, Ive decided to wait just a bit more and see if MB w/ merom is problem free.
Regarding the heal issue of my MBP, no one can change the fact that my MBP gets 70~80 degree Celsius. It's hot no matter how hot a person feels is subjective.
That's why I'm considering another laptop.
As I've said already, I'm pretty happy with the performance of MBP. I just don't buy "portable" and "laptop" logic.
Thanks for all the tips.
I thought the 12" PB refurbished was pretty decent deal, but then, Apple might be able to show us some real "laptops" pretty soon. So basically I'm hoping.
daneoni said:
No, you are just a disgruntled individual that can't deal with changing technology. Accept it, and move on.
Seriously, what the hell use is a "laptop" which, basically, has to be used like a desktop?
My MacBook ran hotter than my roommate's 17" HP Notebook, which uses a desktop Pentium IV chip. That's how damned hot the thing ran.
Not acceptable.
I like the Mac OS and I love the look of Mac Hardware but, it has to be faced up to, there are some truly strange design decisions which Apple has made over time.
My MacBook ran hotter than my roommate's 17" HP Notebook, which uses a desktop Pentium IV chip. That's how damned hot the thing ran.
Not acceptable.
I like the Mac OS and I love the look of Mac Hardware but, it has to be faced up to, there are some truly strange design decisions which Apple has made over time.
If you have a MBP which is elligable for a logic board replacement then get it done. Made my MBP drop 10 degrees celcius. And that's just the internal temperature. The casing is much cooler too than before the logic board replacement, and I now have no trouble using the thing on my lap.
So IMO, with the new logic board, the heat is no issue at all.
So IMO, with the new logic board, the heat is no issue at all.
Temujin said:
Good to hear...is this already in mass production or will they wait until Merom to implement it? I wanted to get a Macbook but with all of the problems I have been reading about, I am considering an HP dv2000 among others instead...I configured one up on HPs site with the same specs as the base Macbook for $875. Normall I would say $125 is a small price to pay to get Apple's usually excellent hardware (using Amazon.coms $999 after mail in rebate deal) but with the problems I am reading about I'm thinking maybe I would rather deal with Windows problems...
Jericho2550 said:WAIT A SEC!!!!
the MBP gets hotter than a 12" PowerBook?! I have a 12" PowerBook, it gets annoyingly hot in my opinion, I'm about to get a MBP after the merom update, are you saying it will be even hotter than my PowerBook?
Yup I'd agree that the 12" PB gets hot. Or at least mine did.
My new MBP doesn't get any hotter and I use it on my lap all the time. I might get a bit sweaty but it's not burning me.
I'd also say that the battery life I'm getting is comparable to the Powerbook. There's not a huge difference anyway and I use both with the same brightness level and settings.
The 12" powerbook was the hottest ppc laptop ever. There were many whiners (myself included) about the heat of the 15" and 12" pb before the mbp was released. Everyone was hoping hte MBP and MB would finally run cool.
I had a 15" powerbook which was too hot for me and I traded down to a 1.33ghz 12" iBook which stays quite cool and unless you are doing very intense tasks for long periods of time, is comfortable (which is better than tolerable).
I had a 15" powerbook which was too hot for me and I traded down to a 1.33ghz 12" iBook which stays quite cool and unless you are doing very intense tasks for long periods of time, is comfortable (which is better than tolerable).