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So is it safe to install Sierra on a 5,1?

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kenshin27

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I have an Early 2009 MP that was a 4,1 but had been flashed to a 5,1 when I replaced the original procs w/2 x 3.33 GHz 6-cores. Am trying to figure out if I'm going to screw up my system if I upgrade to Sierra. Originally I found this:

http://create.pro/blog/macos-sierra-tested-working-200920102012-mac-pro-51-good-go-apples-latest-os/

Which seemed to give an all clear. But then I also ran into this which was written a day later:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/06...ems.for.the.aluminum.mac.pro.faithful.134675/

Which seems to say that there are critical issues w/PCI-e expansion cards. Which would be problematic for me since I have two slotted in, a HighPoint RocketU 4-Port USB 3.0 and another one which just gives me a single eSata port. And I guess my AMD Radeon HD 7950 if that counts.

Has anyone else out there w/a 5,1 that has PCI-e cards installed upgraded to Sierra yet? Any issues?
 
I have an early MP 2009 4,1 flashed to 5,1 with original GT 120 VC, updated to Sierra today straight from app store, so far so good.



kenshin27 said:
I have an Early 2009 MP that was a 4,1 but had been flashed to a 5,1 when I replaced the original procs w/2 x 3.33 GHz 6-cores. Am trying to figure out if I'm going to screw up my system if I upgrade to Sierra. Originally I found this:

http://create.pro/blog/macos-sierra-tested-working-200920102012-mac-pro-51-good-go-apples-latest-os/

Which seemed to give an all clear. But then I also ran into this which was written a day later:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/06...ems.for.the.aluminum.mac.pro.faithful.134675/

Which seems to say that there are critical issues w/PCI-e expansion cards. Which would be problematic for me since I have two slotted in, a HighPoint RocketU 4-Port USB 3.0 and another one which just gives me a single eSata port. And I guess my AMD Radeon HD 7950 if that counts.

Has anyone else out there w/a 5,1 that has PCI-e cards installed upgraded to Sierra yet? Any issues?
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kenshin27 said:
I have an Early 2009 MP that was a 4,1 but had been flashed to a 5,1 when I replaced the original procs w/2 x 3.33 GHz 6-cores. Am trying to figure out if I'm going to screw up my system if I upgrade to Sierra.
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Shouldn't ever upgrade without doing a full clone backup first.
 
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I updated my 5,1 earlier today. No problem. Not much of an improvement over El Cap 10.11.6 though. No better or worse. Identical performance. I don't care about Siri so I keep it disabled.

So far my impressions regarding Sierra: much ado about nothing.
 
Morpheo said:
I updated my 5,1 earlier today. No problem. Not much of an improvement over El Cap 10.11.6 though. No better or worse. Identical performance. I don't care about Siri so I keep it disabled.

So far my impressions regarding Sierra: much ado about nothing.
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What about updates? Did you install this patch?: http://dosdude1.com/sierraswupatch/

Source: http://dosdude1.com/sierrapatch.html

I did not see macOS Sierra in my App-Store purchases on the Mac Pro, downloaded it with my Mac Mini 2012.
 
Well I just installed it w/no issues so far. Took about half an hour. Everything still working as hoped.
 
Mine is supported but it bricked my machine. 5,1. Sick of this crap and buying an iMac soon.
 
I've been running Sierra as my primary OS since PB4 on my 5,1 cMP. No issues with installation here. The beauty of the cMP, is that it can hold so many internal drives (I have 7 storage drives - 5 SSDs, 1 SSHD & 1HDD) that if one gets screwed up, you can reinitialize it and and copy a backup to it, and your good to go without missing a beat.

Lou
 
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I see no real incentive to upgrade for any 'pro' user at the moment - nearly all new features seem to be based on tighter integration with iOS devices etc.

I use my Mac Pro (4,1 -> 5,1) in my studio, running Logic X all day and haven't heard of any single feature that would be useful for me (especially as I don't have wifi or Bluetooth 4.0 and have no real need for them).

So ask yourself if you really will benefit from the upgrade/if you really need the potential headaches!

Cheers,

Ed
 
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Going to make an attempt to clean-install Sierra on my 5,1 (Titan X) tomorrow.

Anything my plan is missing?

1. Create multiple backup clones of SSD boot drive / El Cap
2. Create USB installer disk
3. Boot into single user mode (cmd-S)
4. nvram boot-args="nv_disable=1"
5. reboot
6. Option-boot from USB installer disk
7. Erase SSD
8. Install Sierra
9. Install Nvidia web driver
10. Reset NVRAM (cmd-option-P-R)
11. Enable Nvidia web driver
12. Reboot
 
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Demigod Mac said:
Going to make an attempt to clean-install Sierra on my 5,1 (Titan X) tomorrow.

Anything my plan is missing?

1. Create multiple backup clones of SSD boot drive / El Cap
2. Create USB installer disk
3. Boot into single user mode (cmd-S)
4. nvram boot-args="nv_disable=1"
5. reboot
6. Option-boot from USB installer disk
7. Erase SSD
8. Install Sierra
9. Install Nvidia web driver
10. Reset NVRAM (cmd-option-P-R)
11. Enable Nvidia web driver
12. Reboot
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Not sure what you have planned for this, but this is a great opportunity to do a "secure erase" that essentially TRIMs the entire drive, and frees all the garbage for reuse.

A files system erase that repartitions or reformats the disk may not TRIM the disk.
 
I just upgraded my 2012 5,1 with a GTX980Ti from 10.11.6, after making a complete backup, of course. So far I haven't experienced any issues, but it is too soon to tell if it will be as stable as 10.11.6. Siri works great if you use that feature on other devices and the performance seems to be at least as good.
 
AidenShaw said:
Not sure what you have planned for this, but this is a great opportunity to do a "secure erase" that essentially TRIMs the entire drive, and frees all the garbage for reuse.

A files system erase that repartitions or reformats the disk may not TRIM the disk.
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It's an Accelsior E2, not sure if it needs it (cue debate about whether its onboard garbage collection does the job or not). ;)
 
Synchro3 said:
CUDA-Z not yet working on Sierra.
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This is a known issue. From Nvidia's web site:

CUDA Application Support:
In order to run macOS Applications that leverage the CUDA architecture of certain NVIDIA graphics cards, users will need to download and install a compatible CUDA driver. CUDA driver which supports macOS Sierra 10.12 will be available at a later date.
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Lou
 
Working fine here. (Will be ordering dual 6-core CPUs soon.)
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developer13245 said:
Notice how Apple removed Mac App Store customer ratings and reviews for Sierra? Not a good sign.
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I noticed that the other day. Must've finally wanted to do something about those embarrassingly low ratings for mostly specific issues that don't affect the general user base.
 
Demigod Mac said:
It's an Accelsior E2, not sure if it needs it (cue debate about whether its onboard garbage collection does the job or not). ;)
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AFAIK, yes, you still need it. GC and TRIM are two different technology to let the SSD works better, and they should work together.

IMO, OWC marketing their SSD don't need TRIM, because when they introduce that SSD, there was no native way to active TRIM for their SSD, and they didn't provide any 3rd party software to do that as well. All their argument is BS, GC is GC, TRIM is TRIM, GC is no (and cannot) replace TRIM. They are misleading the customers.
 
redheeler said:
I noticed that the other day. Must've finally wanted to do something about those embarrassingly low ratings for mostly specific issues that don't affect the general user base.
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So can a developer that is forced to sell apps on Apple's captive iOS app store just eliminate low app "ratings for mostly specific issues that don't affect the general user base"?

Didn't think so.

Apple should have to play by the same rules as everyone else. But clearly they don't believe they need to.
In Apple's twisted mind open customer feedback is good for software developed by other parties, but not Apple. It's a blatant double standard that they can get away with because of their position.

Just Wow, this is where Apple has finally lost all ties to reality.
 
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developer13245 said:
So can a developer that is forced to sell apps on Apple's captive iOS app store just eliminate low app "ratings for mostly specific issues that don't affect the general user base"?

Didn't think so.

Apple should have to play by the same rules as everyone else. But clearly they don't believe they need to.
In Apple's twisted mind open customer feedback is good for software developed by other parties, but not Apple. It's a blatant double standard that they can get away with because of their position.

Just Wow, this is where Apple has finally lost all ties to reality.
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This is the part I have a problem with, yes. But it's not like Apple hasn't done this kind of thing many times before.
 
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