...So iTunes Match could get you arrested?

[Vizin]

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[Nioxic]

even if they where required to check every single mp3 people owns... this would make it either: an unprofitable idea (the whole itunes match thing) or they wouldn't do it properly and the risk of getting caught would be low. In either way, they would risk losing costumers, coz MANY people have illegal music lying around.

My sister downloads her through youtube with an extension

I'd love to use itunes match personally, and yes i have a bit of illegal music and a lot of legal as well.

in the end, apple aren't the police, they're a company, and we know they wanna make money, not enforce the law (except their own copyright stuff )

 

[GoCubsGo]

Then why didn't you say that instead of asking about downloading music illegally? You are doing a good job a making yourself appear less creditable.

Who cares how he appears? The question is will Apple just blindly report people who use Match and have music libraries filled with content not available or not purchased from iTunes. Frankly, if Apple can tell this then I'd be surprised or maybe I would not be. Most my music is from CDs, then Amazon, then a site where legality was a gray line, then shared from by other people I know. If I look at every file I can't tell where it came from unless it came from iTunes.

 

[pdqgp]

I think it would be entirely too difficult to prove where music originated from. Hell, I don't even remember or know where all my music is from. Who is to say my PC wasn't at some point infected with a virus that permitted someone to steal my stuff and now it's all over the net. What would prove I'm guilty not them? Way too many loopholes.

Not to mention, if word one of proof got out that Apple was doing this, their mainstay of customers would drop them like a rock. No way they would intentionally break the brand trust they have with people. Business suicide.

 

[Vizin]

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[gentlefury]

I don't think you are really getting the idea behind music match....its basically like spottily but restricted by what you have in your library. If you legally or illegally obtained them is a moot point. It is a music service like Spotify, but it is restricted by the tracks you have in your library.....I don't really understand why they are doing this, they just do iTunes live and basically take out spottily...I guess have you restricted to only what you already have just makes it so it costs them less. Someone with 2000 songs will be more profitable to them than someone with 20,000 songs. But everyone is paying the same. They are using this as a music retrieval service instead of a discovery service...which is pretty smart actually.

 

[JRoDDz]

If you steal an iPhone, Apple loses the value of the phone. If you pirate a CD that was stolen from you, the record store/music industry hasn't lost anything.

The record store/music industry lost a sale by you pirating that CD instead of paying for it.

I bought some cassette tapes back in the 80's of some cool bands. The tapes are now lost or broken. Does that give me the right to go and pirate those albums just because I had them 30 years ago?

 

[mactmaster]

No, Apple will not be reporting its customers to any authorities. Apple only scans the audio waveform and matches it to it's own iTunes store database. No other data is collected regarding the source of the audio.

 

[bobr1952]

No, they won't report you. The major labels are going to make their money back from illegal d/l's because of Match: From the article:

As CEO Jeff Price of Tunecore points out, Apple is paying royalties to record labels and publishers to cover this user behavior.

Amazon and Google introduced music lockers -- a similar concept, but they require users to upload every song manually -- but they're not paying the industry a dime.

In other words, Apple just built the service that lets the record industry FINALLY make money from pirated music.

This is something the record industry should have done itself 10 years ago when Napster emerged, instead of suing its customers to try and stop them from sharing music, it should have figured out how to make money off them.

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com...es-steve-jobs-amazon-and-google#ixzz1cbfOu16Q

Didn't anyone else read this post? Seems to explain perfectly that it doesn't matter where the music came from originally.

 

[Vizin]

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[JRoDDz]

They use that argument too, and it's a fallacy. There's no guarantee he would have purchased a new copy of the CD at all had he been unable to pirate it. Sure some people would, but X dollars of media pirated does not equal X dollars of lost revenue.

And of course you don't have the right to do it, piracy is illegal. As to your question, it's a moral grey area to me. Like I said, the OP would have gotten exactly the same effect had he ripped the CDs first and then had the CD stolen. Not so much with the tapes, because the audio quality of a CD rip is much higher than what you would get with a rip from a 30 year old cassette tape.

The morality and legality of digital media is becoming complicated because the concept of "ownership" of a copy is becoming vague. For example, years ago I had a copy of Battlefield 1942. One day I wanted to reinstall it after formatting my PC, but the disk was damaged. However, I still had the license key so I torrented the game, burned it, and installed it with the original key. With software you own a *license* of the product, not the product itself, so I don't feel I did anything wrong. (had I borrowed a friend's disk, which would have had the exact same effect, I wouldn't have even broken any laws)

I'm just not feeling a huge moral difference here. What if he had ripped it afterwards from a friend's CD? How would that have been different from reinstalling BF1942 from a friend's disk? It's all pretty ambiguous. Though I'm not going argue that pirating something you never owned in the first place is OK, that's not excusable.

Copyright laws are broken. I can see you torrenting that software disk since the original was broken, but you did have a license, which basically is what you are really paying for. But with music, there isn't really a license per say. Once you buy the physical media you own that media, not a license to use the songs on the media in perpetuity.

 

[iceterminal]

If you download music illegally, you will be tried by a certain Texas judge that has been known to utilize corporal punishment.

 

[kas23]

The people in this thread are laughable!

Accepting and blindly following a law simply because it is a "law" is childish. Stop thinking so concretely. Remember, there have been hundreds of "laws" in the past which we would view as morally reprehensible today. A "law" does not always mean it is a good law. It was also against the law to make copies of cassette tapes or VHS copies of your favorite TV show, would you speak out against this too? Does it make you a criminal because you made a cassette tape copy of your friend's Thriller tape back in 1985?

It hate to get religious, but it's applicable here: He lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.... Whoever speaks out against music piracy who j-walks, speeds, illegally parks, litters, etc is a hypocrit.

 

[r2fa3l]

iTunes+The Big 4 are Happy with this service.

There's no way they can know if you downloaded the song, or if you just ripped it/got it via a promo download perhaps, etc...

iTunes Match is mainly a win-win for Apple & The Big 4 IMO,
it really sucks for the smaller labels though.....

 

[rowley]

Might be worth looking at this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

and then again theres this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blWLip8nl0E&feature=related

 

[cmChimera]

Why? Because he wants the law enforced?

Because it's none of his business. Do you call the cops when you see someone speeding? Get off the high horse.

The minute the CD got stolen, you lost your "rights" to ownership of that music as it's no longer in your possession. What you are doing is illegal.

so lets say someone steals my iPhone out of my car. I can just go into the Apple store and steal another iPhone and that makes it ok, since I paid for the original?

That isn't analogous, particularly in our day of digital downloads and cloud storage.

Copyright laws are broken. I can see you torrenting that software disk since the original was broken, but you did have a license, which basically is what you are really paying for. But with music, there isn't really a license per say. Once you buy the physical media you own that media, not a license to use the songs on the media in perpetuity.

Yet the music labels seem to have the idea that I don't have the right to store it in the cloud and stream it to my devices. That I can't buy a movie and rip it to my hard drive. The companies that run the business are screwing customers over, customers found a way to fight back. To me, it is certainly illegal, but I don't find it morally wrong.

 

[pdqgp]

The record store/music industry lost a sale by you pirating that CD instead of paying for it.

I bought some cassette tapes back in the 80's of some cool bands. The tapes are now lost or broken. Does that give me the right to go and pirate those albums just because I had them 30 years ago?

IMO yes. Screw the record lables and film industry. No one in either is losing out or living the hard life because people copy movies or music. Please.....

I can listen to any top 10 station and hear a song 50 times in a day, so what does it matter that I download it to my iphone and listen to it twice exactly when I want to vs through another source. Same with movies. I can pay $15mo through Netflix and have that movie as often as I want yet I can't just copy it and watch it when my kids desire without waiting? Bull $ hit. I don't want to hear about royalties, etc....again, don't care. It's about time consumers win too. If they feel they are losing some revenue, how about they not pay the stars of said movies crazy stupid dollars instead of making us pay for everyone else to get rich.

 

[tctony]

People on MacRumors are so high and mighty. WHAT YOU DOWNLOADED MUSIC!!!!?!?!!

 

[Vizin]

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[tardman91]

People on MacRumors are so high and mighty. WHAT YOU DOWNLOADED MUSIC!!!!?!?!!

You did?!? OMG. I'm telling.

 

[rican]

I wish they would turn people in. It is called stealing.

Can I just say the government needs to do better things than arresting people who download music illegally... Fight poverty, or get the rapists -- not the illegal downloads of music...

get real.

 

[Bigtree]

Can I just say the government needs to do better things than arresting people who download music illegally... Fight poverty, or get the rapists -- not the illegal downloads of music...

get real.

What ever you have to do to convince yourself to live on a lie.

 

[ADMProducer]

The minute the CD got stolen, you lost your "rights" to ownership of that music as it's no longer in your possession. What you are doing is illegal.

so lets say someone steals my iPhone out of my car. I can just go into the Apple store and steal another iPhone and that makes it ok, since I paid for the original?

Edit: I am now making a citizens arrest. You have the right to remain silent. If you choose to give up that right anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Any questions?

You might have extradition problems in that arrest, sir

 

[cmChimera]

You might have extradition problems in that arrest, sir

Not to mention it has to be a felony, which downloading a song illegally is not.

 

[Kyotoma]

Not to mention it has to be a felony, which downloading a song illegally is not.

Nope, but apparently in some states sharing your Netflix password is now.