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Looks like Pillsbury doughboy couldn't take it anymore with Apple's latest direction

 
Building your own workstation means that when a part dies you have to go through the RMA process which is time consuming and not exactly fast.

RMA if you like, but when building your own, failures are just an opportunity to upgrade. :)
 
you have to go through the RMA process which is time consuming and not exactly fast.
And it's just not the DIY build either. I just received my first PC in 25 years from Cyberpower, via B&H Photo and Video. When it arrived two days ago, the GPU (GTX 1070) would not power a DVI-D Dual link monitor. I had the option of sending the GPU in for the swap or putting a hold for a new one on my Visa card while they shipped me a new one and I would send the old one back. I chose the latter, though they are taking their sweet time in sending the GPU. I would have gone with Dell or HP if I had known about the on-site repair option. In addition, Cyberpower techs did know know the difference between a single link and dual link DVI-D monitor. They kept insisting that a dual link could only power a max of 1920x1200 monitor. Really? A GTX 1070 can only run at 1200?
 
Think about it... Apple is actually a software company. Most people stay because they like macOS and the eco system.
 
Well....people who are pros and crave the very best have a point guys....Apple doesn't seem interested in that market any more (or if they are still interested in it, they have a funny way of showing they are)


Windows 10 has made huge positive strides. I don't think workflow is, objectively, as good as macOS but windows isn't the **** stain some people on this site and other apple fan sites make it out to be (just as macOS isn't the **** stain some die hard windows and linux fans make it out to be)


Hopefully Apple remembers theres a place for user upgradability and true pro machines

The new MBP's are a far cry from the old days of MBP's being the best powerhouse computers out there. They are efficient now yes, but powerful? Powerful for the average user yes (way more power than is even needed), for pros....nope.



512GB of DDR4 ram is a bit overkill though lol....I mean, if you're making a big budget hollywood film go for it I guess....
 
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I fancy getting a windows laptop for file transfers on location or on vacation - give myself experience of windows just in case I decide to re join the blue screen camp. Sadly I'm too invested in fcpx but apples laptops seem a bit crap in terms of spec - a 128gb drive in 2016? Seems stupid
 
So happy people are ditching Apple. Hopefully the industry moves away from being OS specific so that professionals can unchain themselves from specific workflows.

That's what I've been aiming for and have moved from Mac to Windows without any issue. My email is all web based and my docs are all in Dropbox. I use Photoshop, Lightroom and PhotoMechanic that all work on Mac and Windows. I now just have faster hardware that cost me a lot less money. I also have complete freedom in how I configure that hardware.
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I'm in this boat. Yes, I can build a PC, and have done so many times in the past. These days, I don't find any value in building my own gear; I purchased a PowerSpec G424 for my gaming rig and called it a day.

Indeed. I used to build my own, but for £60 I got a local supplier to build it with all the exact components I want and they guarantee it all. Saves me the day or two it would take me to build it with the kids running around and if any part fails I'm covered.
 
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Building your own workstation means that when a part dies you have to go through the RMA process which is time consuming and not exactly fast. Compared that to the one day on site waranty the both HP and Dell offers for their workstation and you'll know why people prefer to pay HP and Dell instead of building their own.

I heard with the Firepros (the real firepros) they had onsite service.

I'll point out (not disagreeing with you) that even the RMA process for computer components isn't nearly as bad as with Apple, where you have to leave your computer with some weirdo at the local retail store or stay on hold forever and try and convince a tech over the telephone you need a repair, only to mail your whole freaking computer to Apple for WEEKS.

I had a failing WD hard drive, I went on their site, entered the serial, entered my credit card, and they sent me a new drive within 3 days. Then I swapped the drive, got a label off their site, and shipped it back. Cost me $5 shipping. I did not have to put on pants ONCE during the whole process. Even if I'd have to part with my drive though, at least I have the rest of the computer for that time period to work with. Poor rMBP users are screwed if they get a bad SSD.

We had a PowerMac G5 we sent to Apple for THREE MONTHS before they did anything.
 
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I built my own triple boot hackintosh PC after waiting for years for a quad core Mac Mini update I bought all premium components and put it in a Fractal Design case. I was amazed how easy it was. It was a Plug and play build with no problems.
I waited a few months on a GPU hoping Nvidia would supply web drivers for macOS which hasn't happened so I tried a RX 480 since it would work with all three boot options. The drivers in macOS were less than desirable compared to AMD drivers for Windows and the intent of the machine was going to be more gaming focused, I took the 480 out and put a 1070 in.
I just use the Igpu in Sierra but I spend most of my time in Windows 10 which seems just as reliable and performs better in most respects.
 
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Have a look at the Dell outlet store. Full factory warranty and they offer some serious discounts on their Precision like of workstations. My machine was discounted an additional 20% for some holiday and I basically got it for the cost of the dual Xeon 10 core CPU's. Very nice machine, well built and extremely fast. Win 10 has been rock solid and an unexpectedly positive experience.

Lenovo also offers some really good deals and HP also has an outlet store.

With all of these machines make sure you get a big enough power supply (825w minimum). Something like a GTX1080 requires a minimum of 500w.

The big companies have the economy of scale on their side making it difficult for smaller shops to match their prices and quality. None of the smaller custom build shops I looked at could come anywhere near the prices these companies offered..
 
I've left, been a Mac user since 1984 when the first one arrived. This wasn't an easy decision for me, I have never used a Windows system. But, like many I waited for the new Macbook Pro systems and was very disappointed in what Apple came up with. I picked up a Lenovo 910, it came earlier this week. W10 was a bit confusing for a day or two, but I got Photoshop/lightroom loaded and working, and its usable now. Photos look great on it's 4k screen and the keyboard is much better than any of the 2016 Macbooks I tried in the Apple store and I didn't have to buy any dongles to use it.
 
There's so many of these threads, can we just make one large card and have everybody sign it on the way out?
I agree, these threads are tedious and self indulgent. They often sound like kids threatening to leave home because they can't get their own way.
 
See you later, good luck have fun with it :) I tried the Windose based tool for a year but my productivity was abysmal. Spent more time troubleshooting and circumventing quirks than big expensive CPU and GPU power saved me in processing time. Its a wild west out there not for the feint of heart. But my use case is certainly not everyones. Technocrats have to have their technology. But I am much more productive now, and making more money.

If any of that is actually true, it's all user-error. If people can edit feature films, grade them, and create all animations on them without a single hiccup, clearly you're doing something wrong. And it's definitely no "wild west." It's easier than ever to find or build a great computer that won't give you any problems, if you're even the slightest bit tech savvy.

I'll still agree that OSX up to Mavericks is a far better and cleaner OS than any version of Windows, but I'm not gonna lie to make myself feel better about one over the other. I almost never have a single issue on Windows or Mavericks. But, in addition to that, I've never seen so many issues on flagship computers as I have on the new line of Macs. And that's not even discussing how many issues Sierra itself has had...
 
I m done with Apple, too. I have the nMP with D500. I ordered an iMac and wanted to sell the MP, but I sent the iMac back. The most of Apples product line is old and overpriced now. They had the chance to update all their Macs but the only thing was the MBP with a touchbar after a long time. The mP is getting sold in January/February and I m going to buy a Lenovo P710 or 510. Apple sucks more and more. Just like the Oculus Rift guy said "we re going to support Mac OS X when Apple builds good computers" - something like that. Well, he s right. I have doubts that this will ever happen again.
 
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