Other so my iPhone 7 died

[cwwilson]

Don’t get me wrong the OLED screens are better all in all than the LCDs but it’s not by some massive margin. I used my X for 2.5 years before getting the 11 and unless I was to compare them side by side there wasn’t THAT much of a difference that it bothered me.... The 11’s screen is really good considering the resolution difference. The cameras blow away the X and the processing power, though the X was still quick, is just on another playing field.

I will say, however, the new SE is probably the best deal going value wise, with the 11 not far behind. You really can’t go wrong with either one depending on what you want to spend.

 

[jimmy_uk]

SE 2020 is awesome and newer + faster than your 7. A great replacement today.

Iphone 8 plus, especially from the Apple refurbished store, is a still a great iphone at a great price.

I'm no fan of the XR or 11 and I can't use Apple OLED so I'd pick one of the above. But my 7 Plus keeps on chugging along.......my preference would be the 8 plus for the crispy 1080p display.

The ipad Mini is due an update in Q1 next year so I would skip the current model. Also I hate the mechanical home button!

 

[marty1980]

I believe each person perceives these screens differently. That’s why some people prefer the LCD over the OLED screens. And why someone like the OP may see a difference between an 8 and 11 screen. I don’t think people should rely only on “what the human eye can perceive.” There’s more to it.

Personally, I see a difference between an 8 and an 8+. I see more of a difference between an 8+ and an 11 Pro. I prefer the high-res OLED over an 8 or an 11. That’s my preference.

The OP may not be able to say what exactly it is they don’t like about the 11. It’s just how they perceive the screen and arguments over tech specs and what the human eye can see are irrelevant. Accept their opinion as true for them.

To the OP: I’m just curious where you’re at with your decision so far? Has any of our opinions helped you narrow down your decision?

 

[tt061282]

I believe each person perceives these screens differently. That’s why some people prefer the LCD over the OLED screens. And why someone like the OP may see a difference between an 8 and 11 screen. I don’t think people should rely only on “what the human eye can perceive.” There’s more to it.

Personally, I see a difference between an 8 and an 8+. I see more of a difference between an 8+ and an 11 Pro. I prefer the high-res OLED over an 8 or an 11. That’s my preference.

The OP may not be able to say what exactly it is they don’t like about the 11. It’s just how they perceive the screen and arguments over tech specs and what the human eye can see are irrelevant. Accept their opinion as true for them.

To the OP: I’m just curious where you’re at with your decision so far? Has any of our opinions helped you narrow down your decision?

This is definitely something I can agree on. Personally LCD does not bother me. That’s not to say I don’t like the deep blacks of OLED either. I just definitely can use LCD and be happy with it. Which is why I’m using the iPhone SE 2nd Gen until the 12 5.4” comes out. I like both technologies. I just feel like a lot of people think “they’re above” LCD because to them it’s in the “past” even though up until 2017 us iPhone users hadn’t even experienced OLED screens.

I can deal with both and realize that come the fall most likely the SE will be the last iPhone to have an LCD panel... that’s not a bad thing.

 

[majkom]

I believe each person perceives these screens differently. That’s why some people prefer the LCD over the OLED screens. And why someone like the OP may see a difference between an 8 and 11 screen. I don’t think people should rely only on “what the human eye can perceive.” There’s more to it.

Personally, I see a difference between an 8 and an 8+. I see more of a difference between an 8+ and an 11 Pro. I prefer the high-res OLED over an 8 or an 11. That’s my preference.

The OP may not be able to say what exactly it is they don’t like about the 11. It’s just how they perceive the screen and arguments over tech specs and what the human eye can see are irrelevant. Accept their opinion as true for them.

To the OP: I’m just curious where you’re at with your decision so far? Has any of our opinions helped you narrow down your decision?

will probably order se 256gb and then i will see, if any ipad will catch my eye... to others, yea, i would prefer oled iphone, gladly, if pwm did not bother, unfortunately it does (irony, i have oled TV and love it - no pwm there, actually oled tvs are today only tvs without pwm)

 

[C DM]

The only possible way you could 'instantly see that a 720p screen is inferior' to a 1080p screen is if you have perfect 20/20 vision and are holding the device within 5 inches of your eyes. The human eye can't process anything beyond 229ppi in normal circumstances and I find your claim rather difficult to believe. My wife has an iPhone 8 and I can't tell the difference between that and my 8 Plus. Under what conditions was this difference obvious to you, could you elaborate?

Fairly sure that it's not that human eye can't process anything beyond something like 229 PPI, but more that the average person won't notice much of a difference beyond that based on an average way of how a person holds the phone. The key parts there being that it's more of an average generalization related to it being good enough basically than anything else.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Fairly sure that it's not that human eye can't process anything beyond something like 229 PPI, but more that the average person won't notice much of a difference beyond that based on an average way of how a person holds the phone. The key parts there being that it's more of an average generalization related to it being good enough basically than anything else.

I got that information from 'Dr. Raymond Soneira, president and CEO of DisplayMate' who like quite a few articles online state the human eye 'usually finds it difficult' to process anything beyond 229ppi. Rembering here the iPhone 8/11 is 326ppi and the iPhone 8 Plus is 401ppi. I think we can agree a lot of this is psychological and down to personal taste as OLED iPhones offer 'beautiful screens' too but we are kidding ourselves if we claim we can see the full benefits of them which is biologically impossible. It doesn't really go beyond 'oh that's a better looking screen than another' even for those of us (myself included) who have very good 20/20 vision.

 

[C DM]

I got that information from 'Dr. Raymond Soneira, president and CEO of DisplayMate' who like quite a few articles online state the human eye 'usually finds it difficult' to process anything beyond 229ppi. Rembering here the iPhone 8/11 is 326ppi and the iPhone 8 Plus is 401ppi. I think we can agree a lot of this is psychological and down to personal taste as OLED iPhones offer 'beautiful screens' too but we are kidding ourselves if we claim we can see the full benefits of them which is biologically impossible. It doesn't really go beyond 'oh that's a better looking screen than another' even for those of us (myself included) who have very good 20/20 vision.

https://techdissected.com/ask-ted/ask-ted-how-many-ppi-can-the-human-eye-see/

It doesn't really seem to be something like kidding as it is something that can be seen as being different by many. Whether or not that might be meaningful is somewhat different and really can only be ascertained by each individual themselves.

 

[DevinNj]

I got that information from 'Dr. Raymond Soneira, president and CEO of DisplayMate' who like quite a few articles online state the human eye 'usually finds it difficult' to process anything beyond 229ppi. Rembering here the iPhone 8/11 is 326ppi and the iPhone 8 Plus is 401ppi. I think we can agree a lot of this is psychological and down to personal taste as OLED iPhones offer 'beautiful screens' too but we are kidding ourselves if we claim we can see the full benefits of them which is biologically impossible. It doesn't really go beyond 'oh that's a better looking screen than another' even for those of us (myself included) who have very good 20/20 vision.

Correct and there have videos on the net where people couldn't tell which was was Apple's LCD or OLED in a side by side comparison.

 

[C DM]

Correct and there have videos on the net where people couldn't tell which was was Apple's LCD or OLED in a side by side comparison.

Just as there are people who can.

 

[majkom]

if there is anyone who cant say which one is oled and which one is not.. well, good for him, can save a lot of cash.. but must be semi blind

 

[Yebubbleman]

First off, the iPad mini is awesome and you should consider it regardless of what phone choice you go with.

Second off, I've had issues finding iPhone 8 Plus phones anywhere (from carriers to Best Buy to NewEgg...even Swappa has a limited selection of them compared to the non-plus 8, which still seems plentiful). I wouldn't **** on the iPhone 11. It's not a bad looking phone, and it has the same exact pixel density as the non-plus 6/6s/7/8/2ndGenSE with a pretty good size and most of the software benefits of the Max-sized Pro iPhones.

Third off, if you liked having a non-plus iPhone 7, an iPhone SE is basically the same form factor but with three generations newer hardware under the hood. Unilateral upgrade.

 

[44267547]

https://techdissected.com/ask-ted/ask-ted-how-many-ppi-can-the-human-eye-see/

It doesn't really seem to be something like kidding as it is something that can be seen as being different by many. Whether or not that might be meaningful is somewhat different and really can only be ascertained by each individual themselves.

If you’re going to link something to boost your argument, at least try to read the source yourself, #1.] It’s riddled with Spam. and, #2.] It doesn’t represent some of the same arguments that you’re discussing with the other member in terms of actually differentiating the PPI versus how the user can actually determine the minute differences between OLED and LCD. What you’re doing, is creating an argument out of nothing, essentially when ‘average consumer’ has no idea what the differences are just by asking them versus let alone showing them. It’s Not all mutually exclusive.

 

[C DM]

If you’re going to link something to boost your argument, at least try to read the source yourself, #1.] It’s riddled with Spam. and, #2.] It doesn’t represent some of the same arguments that you’re discussing with the other member in terms of actually differentiating the PPI versus how the user can actually determine the minute differences between OLED and LCD. What you’re doing, is creating an argument out of nothing, essentially when ‘average consumer’ has no idea what the differences are just by asking them versus let alone showing them. It’s Not all mutually exclusive.

Quite a few other articles on the topic, that was just one example. The point is that plenty of people can see a difference between lower and higher PPI, beyond some particular marketing values. Not much of an argument really.

 

[one more]

Since both sound and vision perceptions are very subjective and you were ok with iPhone 7 screen, the simplest solution would probably be getting iPhone SE for now (the latest A13, new battery, dual-SIM, etc.)

If something better comes along this autumn you can have another look at the entire iPhone 12 range to see if something “clicks” with you. 🖐

 

[majkom]

it looks that all iphone 12 lineup will be oled - so i will skip it

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

https://techdissected.com/ask-ted/ask-ted-how-many-ppi-can-the-human-eye-see/

It doesn't really seem to be something like kidding as it is something that can be seen as being different by many. Whether or not that might be meaningful is somewhat different and really can only be ascertained by each individual themselves.

I think I should consider myself lucky I can’t see a notable difference between 720p and 1080p when using a phone under normal circumstances.

 

[Channan]

iphone 6 and others of course do have LED display, they do have IPS LCD display with LED backlight. And no, it has nothing to do with PPI, iphone 7 has same PPI aj XR and yet, I see text on XR little fuzzy in comparison to 7/8 (not mentioning plus as it has much superior display...)

LED backlit ≠ LED display

They’re both LCD displays.

 

[Tsepz]

cant charge battery, does not react on power button, and I still cant decide which iphone will be next.

- iphone 8 plus - good price, best mobile led display ever, but clunky
- iphone se and ipad mini - but man, paying for 2 devices while having basic net surfing/mail reading usage seems stupid
- iphone 11 - face id (meh), display meh!

oleds are not an option...

not thrilled by any of these options, but will have to decide soon...

I would say take the SE, it's the best value iPhone in terms of Performance, Battery Life and Camera quality and versatility.

 

[majkom]

Quick update - tried iphone 11 (10 days since purchase), here are what I think (if anyone interested):
- surprisingly, form factor is good - can handle it with one hand in almost any scenario - pleased
- like full front display, ppi is acceptable
- had several headaches first day of usage, then they went away - maybe some time needed to get ok with face id? Dont know
- face id - first day or two, impressed, later found several scenarios it is worst than touch id - final verdixt - sometimes better, sometimes worse that touch id - would call it a draw...
- camera - thought it will be huge upgrade from ip7 camera - not so much ...

final verdict - great phone, but wont keep it... as i do have little childern and their quite often do get iphine into their hand, not feeling good about face id blasting IR beams to their eyes (still being developing), so Inwill sens it back and buy SE for me... but it is pityy, otherwise I liked overall package iphone 11 offers...

If apple could do under display touch id with lcd (not oled) and without face id - would buy it instantly...