I bought a Macbook too and it is my first Apple. There's a black frame around the screen which is loose on the left side. But nonetheless the Macbook is way better than any PC I ever had and Apple is replacing the damaged Macbook. The only thing that's not so great is the fact that the replacement won't be here before June 21st. But I can live with that and never ever would I go back to a PC.
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So my Macbook was DOA. Considering a pc now.
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^squirrel^ said:
See, but the Mac is stable without the user having to do anything. Keeping a computer from spontaneously combusting should not be like spinning plates.
dextertangocci said:So why should you keep a pc clean and up to date, and have stupid anti-virus software which slows it down tremendously, and not a mac? I just think those software engineers at microsoft just can't compete with Apple's,and don't know how to be innovative!
But hey, that's just the opinion from an idiot.
If you had a good AV bit of kit such as NOD 32 then it wouldnt slow your pc down!
I'm not going to sit here and argue as i'd be here all week. If OSX had a market share like MS then they would be prime target for virus's etc... That's the only reason why you have to maintain your machine. Take that away and it will operate like the mac does.
I work for a cross platform publishers and i spend at least 80% of my time fixing macs!
This thread is about the poor quality of the macbook, not a war between operating systems. The Macbook and MBP have issues that need resloved quickly. Other PC firms have done it!
^squirrel^ said:
I'm not saying OS X is perfect, as it quite obviously isn't. However, I don't think Macs are relegated to just being for "complete idiots" who "can't be bothered" to care for their computer like it was a sickly child--Macs are for people who don't think they should have to. I used Windows for years, and honestly I never had a real problem, because I kept it clean and ran my anti-virus and anti-spyware software regularly. Ever since I switched, though, I don't have to do that anymore, and I don't miss doing it.
So yes, people who "don't know how to maintain their PC" would probably be better served with a Mac; so would anyone who doesn't want to have to be bothered making sure their computer doesn't get sick from regular web browsing.
You have to rememeber people here think XP is not stable at all. The truth of the matter is XP is a very stable OS. What make XP unstable is not the OS but poorly writen application. Spyware and Adware(Adware is something Mac users are just as easy to target as XP users because it is user installed, spyware you dont know about it and installed with out your knowlege)f They just are not coded correctly. XP problem with adware is a numbers game. No one going to really make adware for a Mac because of market share. OSX does NOT protect you agaist Adward (Spyware yes adware no).
Basic system maintaince is really pretty easy. To tell you the turth it is very easy and can easily be done with out you the user rememebering to do anything. My parents XP computer doesnt have a human do anything in maintaining it for up to 6months a time and it runs with out any real problems that are not hardware related (computer is 6 years old now). Windows updates, Virus updates, and spyware scan/update are all installed/done with out any human intervention at all. When I come home I may spend 5 mins-10mins on it doing a few minor things and checking to make sure everything ok. So every 3-6 months spending 5-10 mins of human time doing stuff is pretty good. Even on the macs you should spend 5-10 mins doing basic maintaince and most of you do. Now on my on XP rig the only added maintaince I do is I manual choose to install the updates.
As for system stablity (on both parents and mine) no real problems minus ones that do not related to hardware issues and the hardware issues are just parts failing (old hard drive that are 4+ years old, or a graphic card going bad).
People here act like XP can not be stable at all. Is OSX more stable yes. Does OSX market share help protect that stablity yes. Few apps are made for it and general the 3rd party apps for the most part are better coded since they are made by larger companies that have the resourse to delevpo for the OSX. That on top of the lack of Adware helps out a lot.
To top all that off there are not any virus or worms for the OSX and very few trogins (which again OSX does not offer any extra protection agaist) trogins are a market share protection. Spyware and virus being much harder to mac for the OSX (saying it is impossible is just stupid. It just no one has done it/figure out how yet)
Basic system maintaince is really pretty easy. To tell you the turth it is very easy and can easily be done with out you the user rememebering to do anything. My parents XP computer doesnt have a human do anything in maintaining it for up to 6months a time and it runs with out any real problems that are not hardware related (computer is 6 years old now). Windows updates, Virus updates, and spyware scan/update are all installed/done with out any human intervention at all. When I come home I may spend 5 mins-10mins on it doing a few minor things and checking to make sure everything ok. So every 3-6 months spending 5-10 mins of human time doing stuff is pretty good. Even on the macs you should spend 5-10 mins doing basic maintaince and most of you do. Now on my on XP rig the only added maintaince I do is I manual choose to install the updates.
As for system stablity (on both parents and mine) no real problems minus ones that do not related to hardware issues and the hardware issues are just parts failing (old hard drive that are 4+ years old, or a graphic card going bad).
People here act like XP can not be stable at all. Is OSX more stable yes. Does OSX market share help protect that stablity yes. Few apps are made for it and general the 3rd party apps for the most part are better coded since they are made by larger companies that have the resourse to delevpo for the OSX. That on top of the lack of Adware helps out a lot.
To top all that off there are not any virus or worms for the OSX and very few trogins (which again OSX does not offer any extra protection agaist) trogins are a market share protection. Spyware and virus being much harder to mac for the OSX (saying it is impossible is just stupid. It just no one has done it/figure out how yet)
that is a scary story
i am on my macbook right now and im loving it
ive had it running for almost a whole day now
its fast hasnt crashed has a slight whine tho only when charging
i havnt heard this moo as of yet
i just cant believe that i can be rendering video and working in other apps at the same time
i love this thing!
i am on my macbook right now and im loving it
ive had it running for almost a whole day now
its fast hasnt crashed has a slight whine tho only when charging
i havnt heard this moo as of yet
i just cant believe that i can be rendering video and working in other apps at the same time
i love this thing!
sorry to hear about this but don't give up. My brother had a doa imac G4; we just took it back to the store and got a brand new one which worked perfectly for years (until he sold it). My gf got a DOA powermac G4; we took it back for a new one which has never had a hiccup 2 years later.
Moral of the story is that DOAs suck, but they happen. Just get a new computer (not a repair!) and the odds are excellent it will be perfect.
Moral of the story is that DOAs suck, but they happen. Just get a new computer (not a repair!) and the odds are excellent it will be perfect.
and to answer bbrosemer comment. They spent not a cent. The AV software I got though my school but there are free good ones online that cover that spot. Antispyware program it currently running M$ one but there are a ton of free quility apps out there that cover that.
Keeping it upto is easy enough. It all built into windows. Other wise the cost is about 20 bucks a year if you want to pay for AV software. everything else is easily supplied free of charge and legelly.
The only other added cost was the router which adds a hardware firewall but the reason they got that was for the wireless not the protection which is a bonus.
So again my post is valided. Basic maintaince is key. Biggest thing some needs to do is just keep the OS updated. Next is the 2 scanning software. All is automatied.
Another example of the general lack of understanding of windows here.
Keeping it upto is easy enough. It all built into windows. Other wise the cost is about 20 bucks a year if you want to pay for AV software. everything else is easily supplied free of charge and legelly.
The only other added cost was the router which adds a hardware firewall but the reason they got that was for the wireless not the protection which is a bonus.
So again my post is valided. Basic maintaince is key. Biggest thing some needs to do is just keep the OS updated. Next is the 2 scanning software. All is automatied.
Another example of the general lack of understanding of windows here.
^squirrel^ said:
This is entirely off-topic for the OP, but I'll bite. XP can be very stable, but it's far from bulletproof and can be brought low by even the most innocent of actions. Your machine may be perfectly prestine, but I've seen very smart people dragged down by that horrid little OS, so I'd be careful about calling anyone who can't protect Windows XP from the world a complete idiot.
OS X is far from perfect, but Windows is even further. If perfection were the center of the solar system, Windows is orbiting Saturn.
On topic, DOA computers are unfortunate and obnoxious, but it's not just an Apple problem. I've received many DOA machines from other companies as well, including Dell. It sucks and it's a problem in the industry that needs to be fixed. Doesn't anyone QA these things before shoving them in the box?
Secondly, MacRumors tends to collect people who have problems (after all few show up to tell how great everything is) so don't assume that 5-10 people means every machine will have this problem.
Hopefully it works out for you.
dextertangocci said:So why should you keep a pc clean and up to date, and have stupid anti-virus software which slows it down tremendously, and not a mac? I just think those software engineers at microsoft just can't compete with Apple's,
But hey, that's just the opinion from an idiot.
That's quite a bold statement. OS X is a computer operating system. Just because so far there have been very few successful viruses for the Mac doesn't mean that OS X is safe. Mac is just a very small portion of computers, and almost all businesses either use Windows or Linux (mainly cuz of cost). It's easier to write viruses for the Windows platform rather than the Mac platform not only cuz Windows is the most commonly used platform, but because Windows has so many design flaws. But at least Windows is trying (I've heard they're working a lot on security).
The only way to keep from having your computer get viruses is to unnetwork it, put it in a bank vault surrounded by tons of lead (preventing wireless capability) and locking the vault.
Timepass said:
I always thought of adware as something that actually runs on your computer in order to download some kind of advertising. And to my knowledge, none of those applications run on the Mac and cannot be installed without specific approval. So, while Mac users could obviously be infected by adware, they would do so by entering in their password and downloading the application and thus breaking the security model. XP however can be 'infected' because of the ActiveX protocol without a user's knowledge, at least until BonziBuddy starts yammering at them.
Spyware uses the same central paradigm and so do many of the attacks on IE, the problem with Windows is design, the wrapping of IE and Active X into the deepest parts of the OS while leaving in legacy ports and undocumented systems. XP has a flawed design, and those flaws are exploited daily.
hulugu said:
that could be how you defined them. But I always veiw Spyware as getting installed with out your persominsion and with those stupid popup adds in the corner things like that.
Adware as something the user has to install. Dont have to want to run program XXX requires this Adware program (like BonziBuddy for example) to be installed on the computer. You the user have to give Bonzibuddy persmission to install and do it yourself to run program XXX. You see Bonzibuddy was installed by you the user with permission so it now has free rain to do it stuff.
Now that being said I have no real clue what Bonzibuddy is. I dont install that crap on my computer but it seem to be a good way to show you how I define the differnce bettween spyware and adware.
Adware and Trogins protection in OSX comes from the small market size plan and simple. Just as easily targeted for it but since there are very few computers in this world runnign OSX no one spendin the time making the stuff for it.
Spyware is another story. I never said XP was the most safest thing out there. I just said it was a very stable OS. What makes it unstable is it getting loaded down with poorly coded apps.
Blue Velvet said:
Tomorrow i'll record all jobs that i do.
the amount of font problems on a mac is stupid!
^squirrel^ said:
Lol? In the 5 years I own macs and use them for graphic design work and the 2 years of graphic college before that I have never seen a font problem on a mac. Are you sure you know how to administer the macs in your office?
Hm, maybe I should not feed the troll...
^squirrel^ said:
And? At the agency I'm freelancing at we have about as many too. Maybe you could define the "problems"? I'm sorry as this does not help the op, but I just want to understand what you are talking about.
--In response to the first post:
I understand why lots of people wait until a next revision comes out or wait a while to get a new release of a brand new Mac. All Macs seem to be shipped as "beta" to people for what reasons I don't know. Even if they're all fabricated the same way there is no 100% guarantee that it will work out of the box, that's where DOA comes in. Never know what little static or what not caused the issue. Anyways, don't lose faith in Apple, at least they'll compensate and fix the computer or ship you a new one. Would Toshiba? Would Compaq? Would HP? Would Acer? Would Dell? Would Alienware... Alienware stands proud of their products so I think they would, but the other companies would they? I mean after two weeks or would they say, sorry, not our problem. I love Apple for this reason.
I understand why lots of people wait until a next revision comes out or wait a while to get a new release of a brand new Mac. All Macs seem to be shipped as "beta" to people for what reasons I don't know. Even if they're all fabricated the same way there is no 100% guarantee that it will work out of the box, that's where DOA comes in. Never know what little static or what not caused the issue. Anyways, don't lose faith in Apple, at least they'll compensate and fix the computer or ship you a new one. Would Toshiba? Would Compaq? Would HP? Would Acer? Would Dell? Would Alienware... Alienware stands proud of their products so I think they would, but the other companies would they? I mean after two weeks or would they say, sorry, not our problem. I love Apple for this reason.
I had a PC for the last 6 years, well 2, the first one died on me and was before I had any idea really what I was doing with computers. The second the dual cpu xeon ran wonderfully was probably the fastest computer at my college other then this one kid who had a Quad Mac, but that is besides the point. The point is that to do all of those updates you need an account with admin privlages, which is annoying, most PC users either constantly leave their admin accounts up and running all the time which is so so so so so dumb, or they never install the updates both of which are not good at all. This is my first Mac in a loooooong time, and I have to say it is so nice to see that I can download and install the updates only if I enter the admin password and I can do this on any account which is so so amazing. Also I love that I am asked for my password whenever I install software to prevent anyone else trying to use my computer from installing crap. On the other hand with windows those people who leave the admin accounts open can install any crap whenever they want to which leads to the very quickly bloated PC.Timepass said: