iPad So Theres no use for icloud in a 32g ipad??

[rui no onna]

Here's a visualization of the problem.

marvin.m3backup was created and uploaded from the iPP 12.9 and is in the cloud and not using up space on the Air 3

marvin3.m3backup was created and uploaded from the Air 3 and there's no way to force it to go iCloud only to free space on the Air 3

 

[Tsepz]

Here's a visualization of the problem.

marvin.m3backup was created and uploaded from the iPP 12.9 and is in the cloud and not using up space on the Air 3

marvin3.m3backup was created and uploaded from the Air 3 and there's no way to force it to go iCloud only to free space on the Air 3

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I just created a Word file on my 2020 iPad Pro 11” and copied it to iCloud Drive, I then deleted it on my iPad but it’s still there in iCloud Drive.
Could it be app dependent?

 

[rui no onna]

I just created a Word file on my 2020 iPad Pro 11” and copied it to iCloud Drive, I then deleted it on my iPad but it’s still there in iCloud Drive.
Could it be app dependent?

Did you delete Word's local copy? That one's different from the iCloud copy. Also, is the iCloud copy showing as downloaded or offloaded (with the cloud icon)?

 

[Tsepz]

Did you delete Word's local copy? That one's different from the iCloud copy. Also, is the iCloud copy showing as downloaded or offloaded (with the cloud icon)?

It’s just showing like this on iCloud Drive (please see below screenshot), but I will try another

 

[rui no onna]

It’s just showing like this on iCloud Drive (please see below screenshot), but I will try another
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That means the file is currently synced/downloaded and using space on the device. Granted, not like 12KB makes a significant impact.

See the cloud on the corner for offloaded/evicted files. The 262MB file is currently using up local storage on this iPad while the 395MB file is not. On the Mac, you can force evict items by brctl evict <path>

 

[Tsepz]

Tried it again and it still stays in iCloud Driver when I delete, please see below screenshots...

I create the document on my iPad in Word:

I then Copy to iCloud Drive:

Then I delete it on my iPad

Then I go back to iCloud Drive and it’s still there:

 

[RoundAreWay]

I read the thread, I just don't get where you're coming from. You reckon that iCloud storage is a waste as it only mirrors your 32GB iPad, there's nowhere to offload info and it's just a mirror of your device, no?
I've given you the benefit of the doubt, that maybe you just don't understand how it works, so I've signposted you to the files app in case you weren't aware and said have a look in there and you've come back at me.

To explicitly explain this as (I've a 32GB in my family also).

• If I run out of space on device & need space for pictures - iCloud drive solves this (allowing for space originals are only kept on device if there's space available otherwise they're offloaded to iCloud drive, freeing up all 24GB or so available space on the iPad) - you can sign up to iCloud photos & it lifts all photos from the Pad which frees the space (after it's been plugged in & connected to WiFi usually overnight for the first time).
• If I have loads of PDF's / Books I can save these on iCloud drive and the pad can access them using the iBooks app or whatever, again giving me all 24GB or so space on the iPad - just by sharing a copy using the share sheet & then deleting the original.
• If I want to save music & films (other than AppleMusic/TV/Movies which don't count within your storage anyway) on iCloud drive no prob. Different apps can access my media there and again means it's not saved on device giving me all 24GB available again using the share sheet option.
• If I want to access iCloud drive on my Mac, no prob drop something in there & I can then see it on the Pad (again not taking up space on the iPad.

To accèss all my media I use the files app on iOS and iCloud drive to manage stuff, I just point the iPad to content on iCloud drive, which means I've got a 32GB iPad acting as a thin client and 100's of GB's of data.

You've been quick to say it doesn't work for you, your little research tells you otherwise that your that iCloud drive is just a mirror, so please explain explicitly how you get to this conclusion, what are you trying to do?

How many devices do you have attached to iCloud, if a few sharing the account you might have back-ups that can be deleted.

Again, You didnt read the thread.

 

[RoundAreWay]

I get it now, after reading this for the nth time. OP is having issue with the way the Goodreader app syncs its data with the iPad. N.B. this is zero to do with iCloud drive and everything to do with their chosen app.

It looks like there's 2 types of syncing the app can do - Normal and Download only - One syncs a mirror of what's on the the server/iCloud and one doesn't.

Maybe OP should change the post title, change their chosen app or maybe just reach out to the developer explaining the issue as it doesn't fulfil their needs.

I wouldn't waste time trying to shoehorn an app to fit the iPad, it should always be the other way around.

No, thats not the issue

 

[RoundAreWay]

How well does iCloud handle offloading of non-Photo Library content from the device that uploaded said content?

GoodReader isn't really the issue. It's just an attempt to try to force offloading since the official Files app doesn't give you that option.

The OP is trying to find a way to offload iCloud content that's already been downloaded to the device.

For example, if I upload a 1GB file to iCloud Drive using my iPP 12.9, then yes, that 1GB file isn't using up space on my iPhone, iPP 10.5 and Air 3. However, it's still using up space on the iPP 12.9. If I delete the file from my iPP 12.9, then it also deletes it from iCloud Drive. I've yet to figure out a way to remove it from the iPP 12.9 but still keep it on iCloud Drive.

“The OP is trying to find a way to offload iCloud content that's already been downloaded to the device.”.. exactly, we already resolved that it does not work like a normal cloud service, like dropbox. And that Good reader doesnt solve the problem either. We never said GoodReader or the Files app were the problem.

 

[RoundAreWay]

Tried it again and it still stays in iCloud Driver when I delete, please see below screenshots...

I create the document on my iPad in Word:

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I then Copy to iCloud Drive:
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Then I delete it on my iPad
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View attachment 1681321 Then I go back to iCloud Drive and it’s still there:
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“Still here”... yes thats the problem, in your last screen shot we can see the file with NO CLOUD ICON on it, that means the file IS IN your device. Not just in icloud.

 

[Tubamajuba]

“Still here”... yes thats the problem, in your last screen shot we can see the file with NO CLOUD ICON on it, that means the file IS IN your device. Not just in icloud.

If you simply don't want any files on your device and the solutions people have given don't work for you, I highly recommend getting a Chromebook. You'll never have to worry about this issue, and you can still download the files you really need.

 

[AutomaticApple]

If you simply don't want any files on your device and the solutions people have given don't work for you, I highly recommend getting a Chromebook. You'll never have to worry about this issue, and you can still download the files you really need.

They'd have to pay for Google Drive/Google Photos storage and buy a whole new machine, whether that be a Chromebook, a Chromebox, a Chromebit, a Chromebase, or a Chromeblet. The last one might be more interesting to the OP. Here is one example. It is my personal favorite.

 

[Tsepz]

“Still here”... yes thats the problem, in your last screen shot we can see the file with NO CLOUD ICON on it, that means the file IS IN your device. Not just in icloud.

I get you, and I’m wondering if it doesn’t begin ‘Optimising Storage’ when it sees you are running out of space on the device the way it does with Photos.

This is starting to look like one of those sneaky Apple tactics to push you to get a larger storage device.

 

[rui no onna]

Tried it again and it still stays in iCloud Driver when I delete, please see below screenshots...

I create the document on my iPad in Word:

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I then Copy to iCloud Drive:
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Then I delete it on my iPad
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View attachment 1681321 Then I go back to iCloud Drive and it’s still there:
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You're dealing with two separate copies. One in iCloud Test for iPad and the other one in iCloud Drive > Adobe.

Delete the copy on iCloud Drive > Adobe and it'll be removed from both iCloud Drive and all your devices as well (e.g. iPhone).

What we want to do is go from this:

to this:

P.S.
I didn't suddenly figure out how to force evict files from iPad. I took the 2nd screenshot using a different iPad.

 

[Tsepz]

You're dealing with two separate copies. One in iCloud Test for iPad and the other one in iCloud Drive > Adobe.

Delete the copy on iCloud Drive > Adobe and it'll be removed from both iCloud Drive and all your devices as well (e.g. iPhone).

What we want to do is go from this:

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to this:

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P.S.
I didn't suddenly figure out how to force evict files from iPad. I took the 2nd screenshot using a different iPad.

Absolutely, I get both of you now.

I am putting this down to Apple simply wanting people to buy higher storage devices. Luckily both my iPhone and my iPad are 256GB

 

[Richard8655]

Yeah, this doesn't really work if you're running out of space on your local device and iCloud still won't offload that 200MB file or that folder with 2GB worth of PDFs you had previously downloaded in the Files app. There needs to be an option to manually offload files like you can now do with apps.

I believe PDFs residing in Books will eventually be offloaded to iCloud, pulling them in as you need access and freeing device space. I also avoid storing PDFs on my iPad by using the Files app and putting them out on the iCloud Drive in my own folder structure. Alternatively, the Files app can also store them on your Mac (computer) in your WiFi network where typically there's a ton more space.

I find these features go a long way in freeing up device storage without the need for spending money on devices with larger storage capacities or buying file services like Dropbox.

 

[bradbomb]

You are right that at the immediate moment, the file is both locally on the iPad Pro and on iCloud. However, the iPad will automatically delete it if the space is needed for something else. Although it is taking up storage, it is not counted against your total local storage on the iPad. Files I have downloaded into iCloud Drive start offloading if I’m not using them frequently or if I need the storage to download a file that needs the space. Again, it’s an automatic backend thing.

 

[rui no onna]

You are right that at the immediate moment, the file is both locally on the iPad Pro and on iCloud. However, the iPad will automatically delete it if the space is needed for something else. Although it is taking up storage, it is not counted against your total local storage on the iPad. Files I have downloaded into iCloud Drive start offloading if I’m not using them frequently or if I need the storage to download a file that needs the space. Again, it’s an automatic backend thing.

The storage used for local copies of iCloud Drive files is part of "Other".

Yeah, I figured it has automatic storage optimization similar to Mac. Probably annoying for me since I do want to be able to keep certain folders local/available for offline access all the time while others, I'm more than fine if they offloaded right away.

I've also had an issue before where the iPad wouldn't allow me to download a couple of iTunes videos because I didn't have enough free space. There would have been if iCloud Photos had been more aggressive at optimizing. Really, my main gripe is everything's automatic and when that fails, you have no recourse (short of "Erase all content and settings" then either Restore or Setup as new).

Mind, I expect the automatic storage optimization probably works for majority of Apple's customers most of the time. It seems to be working fine for my family members albeit they probably just don't use a lot of storage to begin with and they really only use the Photos part.

 

[McScooby]

Again, You didnt read the thread.

All I'm reading is your ambiguous statement is that you've got an issue, don't explain things properly & try to let others chip in with what it 'might' be, is this some kind of guessing game?

I've got files on my iCloud drive that aren't replicated on the iPad, your issue is App dependent NOT an issue with iCloud drive (which is just not a local drive nothing more/less)

No, thats not the issue

I've said it once, you haven't clearly explained the issue, I'm out, good luck with whatever your solution is and finding it! ??

 

[RoundAreWay]

If you simply don't want any files on your device and the solutions people have given don't work for you, I highly recommend getting a Chromebook. You'll never have to worry about this issue, and you can still download the files you really need.

LOL!

 

[RoundAreWay]

I get you, and I’m wondering if it doesn’t begin ‘Optimising Storage’ when it sees you are running out of space on the device the way it does with Photos.

This is starting to look like one of those sneaky Apple tactics to push you to get a larger storage device.

Maybe

 

[RoundAreWay]

All I'm reading is your ambiguous statement is that you've got an issue, don't explain things properly & try to let others chip in with what it 'might' be, is this some kind of guessing game?

I've got files on my iCloud drive that aren't replicated on the iPad, your issue is App dependent NOT an issue with iCloud drive (which is just not a local drive nothing more/less)

I've said it once, you haven't clearly explained the issue, I'm out, good luck with whatever your solution is and finding it! ??

Well you’re the only one who’s not getting it so good luck!

 

[Tsepz]

You are right that at the immediate moment, the file is both locally on the iPad Pro and on iCloud. However, the iPad will automatically delete it if the space is needed for something else. Although it is taking up storage, it is not counted against your total local storage on the iPad. Files I have downloaded into iCloud Drive start offloading if I’m not using them frequently or if I need the storage to download a file that needs the space. Again, it’s an automatic backend thing.

This is exactly what I was thinking, so it basically automatically optimizes the storage.

This makes sense.

 

[cmamb]

Yeah, this doesn't really work if you're running out of space on your local device and iCloud still won't offload that 200MB file or that folder with 2GB worth of PDFs you had previously downloaded in the Files app. There needs to be an option to manually offload files like you can now do with apps.

Any update on this feature for iOS 15?

 

[Saurus504]

Am I missing something here?? I was about to get 200gb of icloud storage. But a little research tells me it doesnt work like dropbox. Its just a mirror of the information you already have on your device.

so what would anyone get 200 gygas if they dont have a device that matches the storage!! The reason I was going to get it is because I need the space!! My ipad is always full! I dont have a macbook, just an ipad and iphone, not even combined matches the 200gygas.

so the icloud storage is only for people who already have that capacity in their devices?

Yes you are missing something because there’s a files app that works just like Dropbox connected to your cloud account. Any file I drop in Files can be viewed on any of my devices. So yes, it can be used for files like that.

but honestly, iCloud Photo Library is incredible. I always get the base storage phone now because I never need the space anymore.