iPhone X So Xr’s screen is only 720p...

[Goompa]

There's quite a few members that are on the "Apple Degradation" warpath around here. I reply to this type of stuff only to limit the spread of misinformation to other members that may not have happened upon it yet. I'm sure there's plenty of people that come here to research which phone they will end up buying.

I'd be interested in his answer to your question, though.

Which is why I hope most people won’t end up buying that Xr or the overpriced Xs max. If that happens, there is a probability that Apple will think twice about pricing their gadgets. Tech will never be comparable to fashion (maybe apple is “coach” in tech...).

 

[MICHAELSD]

I do get why they chose this resolution and PPI (for a native 2x point resolution), but it still feels like a compromise. The main upgrade with the A12 was the significantly more powerful GPU, and it feels like all of that graphical power goes to waste. Paired with the larger battery and readily available charging solutions, it was totally unnecessary other than to make the XS more desireable.

A larger problem is app developers treating it like a sub-720p display rather than sub-1080p. I tried Fortnite for a minute just for the sake of testing the A12 processor expecting to be blown away, but came away with a fuzzy experience that doesn’t even appear to run at 828p. Netflix also limits streaming to 720p, including wider aspect content that’s zoomed in. Don’t even get me started on scaling as apps that were optimized for the X still look fuzzy if they haven’t been optimized specifically for the XR.

The color is calibrated extremely well and contrast is improved over previous LCD iPhones but resolution still matters.

 

[MICHAELSD]

I should also clarify that I think the screen being 326ppi is perfectly acceptable for the average consumer that iPhone XR is designed for, and that the average consumer probably does prefer the extra battery life to a higher resolution that they may not care about.

For me personally, I would have preferred a 3x resolution to a better battery life. But that model does exist and it’s called iPhone XS. It’s not a bad design decision, it’s just designed for a different market.

 

[MacLappy]

I do get why they chose this resolution and PPI (for a native 2x point resolution), but it still feels like a compromise. The main upgrade with the A12 was the significantly more powerful GPU, and it feels like all of that graphical power goes to waste. Paired with the larger battery and readily available charging solutions, it was totally unnecessary other than to make the XS more desireable.

A larger problem is app developers treating it like a sub-720p display rather than sub-1080p. I tried Fortnite for a minute just for the sake of testing the A12 processor expecting to be blown away, but came away with a fuzzy experience that doesn’t even appear to run at 828p. Netflix also limits streaming to 720p, including wider aspect content that’s zoomed in. Don’t even get me started on scaling as apps that were optimized for the X still look fuzzy if they haven’t been optimized specifically for the XR.

The color is calibrated extremely well and contrast is improved over previous LCD iPhones but resolution still matters.

I am exactly the customer that apple is catering for with the XR.

Yes a native 3 x point will be sharper than 2 x point assuming the same size display. Yet it is all wasted for people who can’t tell the difference, like me.

I can look at my wife’s iPhone 8 plus side by side my iPhone XR for a whole minute and still not be able to tell the difference in sharpness.

I actually do watch netflix on the XR and would not have known it was 720p if I never read about it here.

For me the iPhone XR adds multiple benefits because of the native 2 x point choice.

1. Better battery life.
2. Less heat while using processor intensive apps. E.g. Gaming.
3. Higher on screen FPS.

These are tangible benefits which makes a difference to me on a day to day basis. Another words the panel on the iPhone XR is perfect for me and I would gladly pick the iPhone XR over the XS even if they were sold at the same price point. For those who find it blurry, there is the iPhone XS.

 

[milover]

720p is like the $10 earphone, some people just don't care about sound quality at all and say $10 earphone is the same as $1000 earphone quality for them, but it is not.

1080p is like $50 earphone, most of the people can feel the better sound quality comparing to 720p.
$100-$1000 earphone is like 4K, few people can tell the different but there is different.
XR with 720p is like offering $10 earphone quality with a $500 price earphone.

 

[se95dah]

XR with 720p is like offering $10 earphone quality with a $500 price earphone.

No matter how many times you keep repeating it, the XR is not 720p.

 

[Phone Junky]

No matter how many times you keep repeating it, the XR is not 720p.

Which is why nobody takes him seriously.

 

[milover]

No matter how many times you keep repeating it, the XR is not 720p.

A lot of apps like Neflix displays stuff in XR in 720p format so practically it is 720p.

 

[se95dah]

A lot of apps like Neflix displays stuff in XR in 720p format so practically it is 720p.

Most games default to 720p on 1440p phones like the Galaxy S9. So I guess you think it’s only 720p too?

 

[milover]

Most games default to 720p on 1440p phones like the Galaxy S9. So I guess you think it’s only 720p too?

Does Netflix display 720p in S9? No.
Because XR is basically 720p, just Apple like to has some non worldwide accept format.

 

[mrex]

I like Jonathan Morrison, but he compared a $300 Pocophone to a XR that costs $749 (up to $899).
Yes, there's more to a screen than resolution or PPI, but that's all that proves.
If he put the One Plus 6T display up against it, I think this would've ended differently, and that phone is a good deal cheaper than the XR. That phone is running Android, and not iOS, so I'm not claiming anything else about price, but he pulled one of the cheapest Android phones on the market.

and they chose the xr because of the viewings angles.

a typical test from JM... i never check his reviews when buying something, i actually dont watch his vids at all anymore...

 

[MacLappy]

720p is like the $10 earphone, some people just don't care about sound quality at all and say $10 earphone is the same as $1000 earphone quality for them, but it is not.

1080p is like $50 earphone, most of the people can feel the better sound quality comparing to 720p.
$100-$1000 earphone is like 4K, few people can tell the different but there is different.
XR with 720p is like offering $10 earphone quality with a $500 price earphone.

You do realise that the difference between the iPhone XR 828p screen to a 1080p screen is vastly closer than the sound from a $10 earphone quality compared to $1000 earphones. In fact in a blind test comparing the iPhone XR to the Pocophone F1, which has a pretty good LCD screen, the iPhone XR was picked as the phone with a better screen by ALL participants.

Sure you could then complain how much cheaper the Poco is but it is also one of the few phones(the only phone I know of actually) around that has an LCD screen at 1080p, making it an excellent choice for comparing with the iPhone XR since they both adopt the same base technology(LCD) with different resolution.

Yes android phones can be had for cheaper than an iPhone XR but does any one android phone last as long as the iPhone XR in terms of battery life during heavy day to day usage? Does it also run the fastest SOC on the market that can compare with the A12 Bionic? Can it stay as cool as the XR while running intensive apps? Can it run FortNite at 60fps? Is it’s camera rated as the best smartphone single lens camera by DXOMark? Does it’s screen poll at 120hz for faster interfacing? Is there a track record of 5 years long term support from it’s manufacturer? Do apps look as good, function as consistently as they do on the XR? Do they have consistent security updates? Does it unlock as securely and easily as with Face id? Does it match the XR in fit and finish?

I can’t think of a single android phone that can do all that while being cheaper than the iPhone XR.

Finally and most importantly, people mainly buy iPhones to be in apple’s eco system. From Watch OS to iOS to Mac OS. The iPhone works so seamlessly with AirPods, Apple Watch, CarPlay, iPads and Macs.

The sum of a phone is more than just the screen as such it cannot be discussed without considering the other aspects that makes the phone what it is. For what it is the iPhone XR is perhaps the best value smartphone currently on the market, especially if you want to run iOS and be in apple’s ecosystem.

For does that prefer and can appreciate a better screen, there is the XS and XS Max.

 

[C DM]

720p is like the $10 earphone, some people just don't care about sound quality at all and say $10 earphone is the same as $1000 earphone quality for them, but it is not.

1080p is like $50 earphone, most of the people can feel the better sound quality comparing to 720p.
$100-$1000 earphone is like 4K, few people can tell the different but there is different.
XR with 720p is like offering $10 earphone quality with a $500 price earphone.

Trying to beat the same dead horse page after page in this 20 page thread won't make the horse any less dead.

 

[agente46]

Come on you guys. It’s obvious this user just signed up to stir controversy. There is no use in trying to respond anymore. You guys are being way too logical and make too much sense.

I suggest using the ignore function. Once they don’t get the attention they will disappear

 

[milover]

You do realise that the difference between the iPhone XR 828p screen to a 1080p screen is vastly closer than the sound from a $10 earphone quality compared to $1000 earphones. In fact in a blind test comparing the iPhone XR to the Pocophone F1, which has a pretty good LCD screen, the iPhone XR was picked as the phone with a better screen by ALL participants.

Sure you could then complain how much cheaper the Poco is but it is also one of the few phones(the only phone I know of actually) around that has an LCD screen at 1080p, making it an excellent choice for comparing with the iPhone XR since they both adopt the same base technology(LCD) with different resolution.

Yes android phones can be had for cheaper than an iPhone XR but does any one android phone last as long as the iPhone XR in terms of battery life during heavy day to day usage? Does it also run the fastest SOC on the market that can compare with the A12 Bionic? Can it stay as cool as the XR while running intensive apps? Can it run FortNite at 60fps? Is it’s camera rated as the best smartphone single lens camera by DXOMark? Does it’s screen poll at 120hz for faster interfacing? Is there a track record of 5 years long term support from it’s manufacturer? Do apps look as good, function as consistently as they do on the XR? Do they have consistent security updates? Does it unlock as securely and easily as with Face id? Does it match the XR in fit and finish?

I can’t think of a single android phone that can do all that while being cheaper than the iPhone XR.

Finally and most importantly, people mainly buy iPhones to be in apple’s eco system. From Watch OS to iOS to Mac OS. The iPhone works so seamlessly with AirPods, Apple Watch, CarPlay, iPads and Macs.

The sum of a phone is more than just the screen as such it cannot be discussed without considering the other aspects that makes the phone what it is. For what it is the iPhone XR is perhaps the best value smartphone currently on the market, especially if you want to run iOS and be in apple’s ecosystem.

For does that prefer and can appreciate a better screen, there is the XS and XS Max.

Watch the blind test video, it has been cherry pick to show everything that is moving so fast, there is no chance to see the different in details at all. How about showing some human face with texture with normal facial movement. It is cherry pick so the video detail doesn't show the test original video for testing at all, and there were like few people in the test? LOL so scientific.
That youtuber at least 90% vidoes are about Apple stuff, you really better believe the blind test with everything in it moving with like 60mph made by an Apple stuff promote youtuber.

 

[Broadus]

Come on you guys. It’s obvious this user just signed up to stir controversy. There is no use in trying to respond anymore. You guys are being way too logical and make too much sense.

I suggest using the ignore function. Once they don’t get the attention they will disappear

Thank you. I didn't realize there is an "ignore" function, so I finally found it by clicking on the troller's user name. Were he to contribute some real information instead of stating opinion as fact, that would be another matter. Debate is good. I learn a lot from those who take a different position who actually offer insight. Those who merely troll, though, should be ignored.

 

[Shanghaichica]

720p is like the $10 earphone, some people just don't care about sound quality at all and say $10 earphone is the same as $1000 earphone quality for them, but it is not.

1080p is like $50 earphone, most of the people can feel the better sound quality comparing to 720p.
$100-$1000 earphone is like 4K, few people can tell the different but there is different.
XR with 720p is like offering $10 earphone quality with a $500 price earphone.

I can tell the difference between 720p, 1080p and 1440p. However the highest resolution my max does for video is 1080p.

Most games default to 720p on 1440p phones like the Galaxy S9. So I guess you think it’s only 720p too?

But you can change it in the settings of most games to output at 1440p.
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You do realise that the difference between the iPhone XR 828p screen to a 1080p screen is vastly closer than the sound from a $10 earphone quality compared to $1000 earphones. In fact in a blind test comparing the iPhone XR to the Pocophone F1, which has a pretty good LCD screen, the iPhone XR was picked as the phone with a better screen by ALL participants.

Sure you could then complain how much cheaper the Poco is but it is also one of the few phones(the only phone I know of actually) around that has an LCD screen at 1080p, making it an excellent choice for comparing with the iPhone XR since they both adopt the same base technology(LCD) with different resolution.

Yes android phones can be had for cheaper than an iPhone XR but does any one android phone last as long as the iPhone XR in terms of battery life during heavy day to day usage? Does it also run the fastest SOC on the market that can compare with the A12 Bionic? Can it stay as cool as the XR while running intensive apps? Can it run FortNite at 60fps? Is it’s camera rated as the best smartphone single lens camera by DXOMark? Does it’s screen poll at 120hz for faster interfacing? Is there a track record of 5 years long term support from it’s manufacturer? Do apps look as good, function as consistently as they do on the XR? Do they have consistent security updates? Does it unlock as securely and easily as with Face id? Does it match the XR in fit and finish?

I can’t think of a single android phone that can do all that while being cheaper than the iPhone XR.

Finally and most importantly, people mainly buy iPhones to be in apple’s eco system. From Watch OS to iOS to Mac OS. The iPhone works so seamlessly with AirPods, Apple Watch, CarPlay, iPads and Macs.

The sum of a phone is more than just the screen as such it cannot be discussed without considering the other aspects that makes the phone what it is. For what it is the iPhone XR is perhaps the best value smartphone currently on the market, especially if you want to run iOS and be in apple’s ecosystem.

For does that prefer and can appreciate a better screen, there is the XS and XS Max.

Most high end android phones can do a lot more than the Xr. However they don’t run iOS which is important for many.

 

[MacLappy]

Most high end android phones can do a lot more than the Xr. However they don’t run iOS which is important for many.

I beg to differ, most high end android phone do have some niche feature but as of yet nothing can beat the day to day usability, longevity and long term support of the iPhone XR. These things matter a whole lot more to me than a S-pen or a third camera lens.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I beg to differ, most high end android phone do have some niche feature but as of yet nothing can beat the day to day usability, longevity and long term support of the iPhone XR. These things matter a whole lot more to me than a S-pen or a third camera lens.

Hence why I said they don’t run iOS.

 

[milover]

I beg to differ, most high end android phone do have some niche feature but as of yet nothing can beat the day to day usability, longevity and long term support of the iPhone XR. These things matter a whole lot more to me than a S-pen or a third camera lens.

IOS is extremely unstable in a year or two, so many crazy bugs for a lot of patches. Apple spends a lot of resource for solving earning money problem but not enough resource for improving the stability of IOS while they want to sell new functions fast.

 

[MacLappy]

IOS is extremely unstable in a year or two, so many crazy bugs for a lot of patches. Apple spends a lot of resource for solving earning money problem but not enough resource for improving the stability of IOS while they want to sell new functions fast.

No idea what you are talking about. I have been on iOS for the last 10 years and stability has been stellar on iOS. All my family members are using iPhones, none of them are experience issues with their iPhones. Many of my friends are also iPhone users. Most of them are using older iPhones that are still working well today. With iOS 12, Apple has significantly improve performance on older devices. So from my personal experience and what I am observing from the people around me what you say does not hold water.

 

[44267547]

Apple spends a lot of resource for solving earning money problem but not enough resource for improving the stability of IOS.

False. iOS 12 was optimized enough, that it was a significant boost in assisting in the performance of older iPhone models, like the 6s/7. It’s one of the reasons why some consumers are keeping their devices longer versus upgrading, due to the iOS 12 performance.

 

[ericwn]

False. iOS 12 was optimized enough, that it was a significant boost in assisting in the performance of older iPhone models, like the 6s/7. It’s one of the reasons why some consumers are keeping their devices longer versus upgrading, due to the iOS 12 performance.

That and the rise in battery replacements and the price of the new hardware together make a mix that encourages many customers to rethink their upgrade path.

 

[44267547]

That and the rise in battery replacements and the price of the new hardware together make a mix that encourages many customers to rethink their upgrade path.

Very true. Tim Cook even commented that the battery upgrade program affected consumers upgrading this year, as it was widely popular for older devices having the batteries replaced.

 

[milover]

Very true. Tim Cook even commented that the battery upgrade program affected consumers upgrading this year, as it was widely popular for older devices having the batteries replaced.

Which means XR is not attractive at all even for few years old iphone customers. No one wants to pay so much for a phone with old tech inside, nothing much improve. This is problem of Apple has almost no innovation for so many years after Steve Jobs passed away.