iPhone X So Xr’s screen is only 720p...

[apolloa]

It does now.

If you don't agree with that, go buy an Android.

I’m going to take a guess that your referring to my comment in the XR not being a budget phone.

The XR could potentially have a class leading camera, or one that will match any flagship Android device or the new Pixel.
It also has a CPU that performance wise obliterates anything on Android, same as last years A11, go and try an iPhone X or 8, even with the mess of iOS 11 it still feels much faster then Android devices.
You have mearly created the ‘opinion’ it’s budget because if it’s screen. And it remains to be seen what it’s truly like, but IMO the 7 Plus looked better then some flagship Android OLEDs did!

 

[aevan]

I was so excited to see the Xr because of its lower price point and similar features to the Xs. When I read about it having 720p, I was shocked and now I don’t really know what to do, (I currently have a 6.)

It’s hardly noticeable in regular use. Sure, you can see it if you try hard enough, but it’s perfectly fine. Also, remember that while X and XS have higher ppi, they also kinda have to because they are pentile matrix displays (which are, basically, lower res looking than full rgb matrix at the same resolution). At the end of the day, they are sharper, but not as much as it seems on paper.

I remember when Android started the ppi and resolution race - just because they were running out of specs to market - but the reality is, after a certain point, resolution becomes much less important than contrast and colors - and I can imagine XR being at the top of the game there, when it comes to LCD screens.

So, I would suggest you taking a look at the screens for yourself. You don’t even have to look at an XR, just take any prior non-plus, non-X iPhone and see if it looks “low res” to you. Honestly, I don’t even notice a difference unless I look for it. With True Tone, wide color, great contrast - I think Liquid Retina will look simply stunning, bested only by X/XS OLEDs. I think XR will turn out to be one amazing iPhone.

 

[ssledoux]

Can someone share the downsides of the OLED with me? I’ve seen this mentioned quite a few times in various threads since I did my upgrade, and it’s making me paranoid. :-O

 

[ugahairydawgs]

Don't make a buying decision based off a stat list (especially for something like pixel density and resolution).

Wait for the phone to come out, go to the store, look at it and make the call off that. If you are coming from a 6 I'd bet all the $$ in my pocket you'd think the screen on the Xr is just fine.

 

[aevan]

Its for budget phones. The Xr is a budget phone.

Sorry, but that is completely wrong. XR is less a budget phone than any non-plus iPhone before. It’s a premium phone, bested only by super-premium XS and XS Max phones. The only “budget” iPhone currently sold is the iPhone 7.

XR has the fastest and most advanced mobile CPU on the market, the most advanced biometric security, one of the best mobile LCD screen tech, one of the best cameras on a phone (lacking only a 2x second lens compared to the XS - and unlike regular iPhone 8, it even has Portrait mode), a premium, modern design.... nothing about it is budget. Even the price is not “budget”.

It’s not even “normal”. It’s premium.

 

[apolloa]

Can someone share the downsides of the OLED with me? I’ve seen this mentioned quite a few times in various threads since I did my upgrade, and it’s making me paranoid. :-O

When viewed from the sides you get a blue tint across the screen, also their an increased risk of burn in, i.e. the screen has a permanent picture faintly on it.

Not sure if anything else personally? As long as you like the colours that is as they do look different to LCD’s even with Apple.

 

[aevan]

Can someone share the downsides of the OLED with me? I’ve seen this mentioned quite a few times in various threads since I did my upgrade, and it’s making me paranoid. :-O

After a year of using the X, there are no real downsides in practical terms and some very nice benefits in terms of contrast. The only barely noticeable downside is that the color shifts slightly at an angle (nowhere near the pre-IPS lcds, though, you don’t notice it in regular use). Then, there are display artifacts when viewing a 5% gray image in perfect dark - which is never. Unless you’re one of those screen nuts.

In reality, there are no real downsides. It is better than LCD. But Apple LCDs still look really great.
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When viewed from the sides you get a blue tint across the screen, also their an increased risk of burn in, i.e. the screen has a permanent picture faintly on it.

In theory, yes. In practice, you never notice the blue tint in regular use and I’ve yet to see anyone with butn in on their X or Apple Watch.
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It does now.

If you don't agree with that, go buy an Android.

It’s not a budget phone in any universe. It’s premium all the way, more than any iPhone was before the X. It’s more premium than 6 was when it launched, more premium than 6S when it was new, more premium than 7, 8.... you get it. Compared to Android phones too - spec-wise, design-wise and price-wise nothing is “budget” about it.

 

[GizmoDVD]

Sorry, but that is completely wrong. XR is less a budget phone than any non-plus iPhone before. It’s a premium phone, bested only by super-premium XS and XS Max phones. The only “budget” iPhone currently sold is the iPhone 7.

XR has the fastest and most advanced mobile CPU on the market, the most advanced biometric security, one of the best mobile LCD screen tech, one of the best cameras on a phone (lacking only a 2x second lens compared to the XS - and unlike regular iPhone 8, it even has Portrait mode), a premium, modern design.... nothing about it is budget. Even the price is not “budget”.

It’s not even “normal”. It’s premium.

It’s the 2018 budget model. Apple is not releasing anymore models. The Xr is the budget phone for this years models.

 

[aevan]

It’s the 2018 budget model. Apple is not releasing anymore models. The Xr is the budget phone for this years models.

It’s not - it’s cutting edge. Apple doesn’t make budget iPhones, they sell older ones at lower prices. Their only budget phone was the 5C that came with a year-old CPU.

If XR is budget, then I guess iPhone 7 was budget when it came out, compared to the 7 Plus?

 

[GizmoDVD]

It’s not - it’s cutting edge. Apple doesn’t make budget iPhones, they sell older ones at lower prices. Their only budget phone was the 5C that came with a year-old CPU.

If XR is budget, then I guess iPhone 7 was budget when it came out, compared to the 7 Plus?

SE and SE2 were also budget phones they made.

Xr is the budget phone for the 2018 model lineup.

 

[alpi123]

It’s hardly noticeable in regular use. Sure, you can see it if you try hard enough, but it’s perfectly fine. Also, remember that while X and XS have higher ppi, they also kinda have to because they are pentile matrix displays (which are, basically, lower res looking than full rgb matrix at the same resolution). At the end of the day, they are sharper, but not as much as it seems on paper.

I remember when Android started the ppi and resolution race - just because they were running out of specs to market - but the reality is, after a certain point, resolution becomes much less important than contrast and colors - and I can imagine XR being at the top of the game there, when it comes to LCD screens.

So, I would suggest you taking a look at the screens for yourself. You don’t even have to look at an XR, just take any prior non-plus, non-X iPhone and see if it looks “low res” to you. Honestly, I don’t even notice a difference unless I look for it. With True Tone, wide color, great contrast - I think Liquid Retina will look simply stunning, bested only by X/XS OLEDs. I think XR will turn out to be one amazing iPhone.

But having more pixels really help to have better and more accurate colors. I've seen Galaxy S8's display in its full resolution and it's that sharp to the point where the text looks like vector, it's just so smooth. I hope XS' is the same, because while it does have lower PPI, iPhones are good at hiding that.

 

[iScone]

Xr is the budget phone for the 2018 model lineup.

The lowest price doesn't equate to a budget phone.

The XR is simply Apple's mid-range attempt to get customers to pay inflated prices. In the XR's case it's more explicit. At least XS has leading tech; XR is asking you to pay two thirds of a grand for a terrible screen and inferior camera.

 

[baummer]

The lowest price doesn't equate to a budget phone.

The XR is simply Apple's mid-range attempt to get customers to pay inflated prices. In the XR's case it's more explicit. At least XS has leading tech; XR is asking you to pay two thirds of a grand for a terrible screen and inferior camera.

Not sure it's that cut and dry. You're completely ignoring battery life, processor, and memory speed in your analysis.

 

[aevan]

But having more pixels really help to have better and more accurate colors. I've seen Galaxy S8's display in its full resolution and it's that sharp to the point where the text looks like vector, it's just so smooth. I hope XS' is the same, because while it does have lower PPI, iPhones are good at hiding that.

Sorry but that’s not true. Pixel count has nothing to do with color accuracy. Also, antialiasing, subpixel rendering, postprocessing largely contributes to how sharp a screen seems. A lot of it is tricks and marketing.

A good quality, expensive 300ppi screen can look sharper than a low quality 500ppi screen with subpixel trickery.

Galaxy S8 certainly has a nice screen, but I do believe the XR also has a very premium, beautiful screen. Some people are put off by its resolution, because they see a mid-range Android with more ppi and think Apple cheaped out or something.

Best advice: examine the screen personally. And it’s usually a good idea to trust Apple when it comes to screen quality.
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The lowest price doesn't equate to a budget phone.

The XR is simply Apple's mid-range attempt to get customers to pay inflated prices. In the XR's case it's more explicit. At least XS has leading tech; XR is asking you to pay two thirds of a grand for a terrible screen and inferior camera.

Lol. How do you know it’s a terrible screen? I’m sure it’s one of the best, most accurate, brightest LCD screens on the market. And the camera is one of the best on the market too, probably rivaling the one on Pixel 2.

Wait for reviews before you declare something inferior. But even now I can tell you, XR screen is definitely not going to be terrible. Far from it.
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Not sure it's that cut and dry. You're completely ignoring battery life, processor, and memory speed in your analysis.

XR has cutting-edge tech inside. He just decided it’s not.

 

[Justanotherfanboy]

Not really 720p, much more pixels than that.

Yup!
By over 50%...
I think 720p is around 920k pixels, whereas this is 1.48m pixels.

Edit: lol, saw @estabya had already posted this... maybe I should finish reading the thread before posting!

 

[dazz87]

People are forgetting this is the first Liquid Retina Display.............

 

[droog]

It’s not - it’s cutting edge. Apple doesn’t make budget iPhones, they sell older ones at lower prices. Their only budget phone was the 5C that came with a year-old CPU.

If XR is budget, then I guess iPhone 7 was budget when it came out, compared to the 7 Plus?

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cut·ting edge
ˈˌkədiNG ˈˌej/
noun
noun: cutting edge; plural noun: cutting edges

1. 1.
   the edge of a tool's blade.
2. 2.
   the latest or most advanced stage in the development of something.
   "researchers at the cutting edge of molecular biology"
3. 3.
   a dynamic or invigorating quality.
   "the campaign began to lose its cutting edge"
   • incisiveness and directness of expression.
     "his wit retains its cutting edge"

adjective
adjective: cutting-edge

1. 1.
   at the latest or most advanced stage of development; innovative or pioneering.
   "cutting-edge technology"

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The XR does not fit any of these definitions. However, it is a pig dressed up in lipstick to be sold with that definition. Most "budget" devices are made from older tech or lower binned current tech. How is it not selling budget items when they sell older tech for cheaper? Hmmm. My best guess is that the XR's introductory price eventually falls into a position where it becomes another budget phone like the SE.

 

[ann713]

To be honest, I think the average person can't tell/won't care. This phone will be a hot seller, for sure. I'll be ordering the red XR for my mother.

 

[GizmoDVD]

XR will likely be the best selling phone for Apple by the end of the year.

Its the budget phone from the 3 2018 lineup, but the features are pretty good.

 

[DJTaurus]

XR will likely be the best selling phone for Apple by the end of the year.

Its the budget phone from the 3 2018 lineup, but the features are pretty good.

No it want. Prices of it outside US are ridiculously high.

 

[Justanotherfanboy]

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cut·ting edge
ˈˌkədiNG ˈˌej/
noun
noun: cutting edge; plural noun: cutting edges

1. 1.
   the edge of a tool's blade.
2. 2.
   the latest or most advanced stage in the development of something.
   "researchers at the cutting edge of molecular biology"
3. 3.
   a dynamic or invigorating quality.
   "the campaign began to lose its cutting edge"
   • incisiveness and directness of expression.
     "his wit retains its cutting edge"

adjective
adjective: cutting-edge

1. 1.
   at the latest or most advanced stage of development; innovative or pioneering.
   "cutting-edge technology"

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The XR does not fit any of these definitions. However, it is a pig dressed up in lipstick to be sold with that definition. Most "budget" devices are made from older tech or lower binned current tech. How is it not selling budget items when they sell older tech for cheaper? Hmmm. My best guess is that the XR's introductory price eventually falls into a position where it becomes another budget phone like the SE.

You’re ABSOLUTELY cherry-picking a certain feature to fit your belief...
That’s as ridiculous as saying a Tesla wasn’t high tech if it had a plastic cup holder or something...
Just like in a vehicle, where the most important spec would likely be the engine. The most important spec in a smartphone is likely the processor.
1st processor to use 7nm process is not only cutting-edge, it's more like bleeding-edge! One of the few processors in the world that contains an NPU & rather than the standard 10-15% (or even 50%) gains that cpus/gpus often see, it gets an unheard of over 800% gain from last gen? Hmmm... sounds cutting-edge to me! =)
Software/hardware wizardry that allows this VERY advanced single-lens camera to mimic many dual-lens features by marrying optics w/ AI & leveraging the aforementioned processor? Sounds cutting-edge to me again!!
The latest & most advanced/toughest glass ever put on a mobile device? This is seemingly matching the definition you so kindly posted!
Neither LCD nor OLED technology are “cutting-edge”, as they’ve both been around for many, many years...
Only MicroLED I think could truly be considered cutting-edge when it comes to screen type.
If Dr. Soneira is to be believed- the next big tech shifts in displays have nothing to do w/ pixel density, but rather features like True-Tone & anything that reduces glare, makes screens equally visible in sunlight as dark, etc.
Anyways... I digress.

TLDR;
iPhone XR is well cutting-edge, despite the LCD screen.

 

[droog]

You’re ABSOLUTELY cherry-picking a certain feature to fit your belief...
That’s as ridiculous as saying a Tesla wasn’t high tech if it had a plastic cup holder or something...
Just like in a vehicle, where the most important spec would likely be the engine. The most important spec in a smartphone is likely the processor.
1st processor to use 7nm process is not only cutting-edge, it's more like bleeding-edge! One of the few processors in the world that contains an NPU & rather than the standard 10-15% (or even 50%) gains that cpus/gpus often see, it gets an unheard of over 800% gain from last gen? Hmmm... sounds cutting-edge to me! =)
Software/hardware wizardry that allows this VERY advanced single-lens camera to mimic many dual-lens features by marrying optics w/ AI & leveraging the aforementioned processor? Sounds cutting-edge to me again!!
The latest & most advanced/toughest glass ever put on a mobile device? This is seemingly matching the definition you so kindly posted!
Neither LCD nor OLED technology are “cutting-edge”, as they’ve both been around for many, many years...
Only MicroLED I think could truly be considered cutting-edge when it comes to screen type.
If Dr. Soneira is to be believed- the next big tech shifts in displays have nothing to do w/ pixel density, but rather features like True-Tone & anything that reduces glare, makes screens equally visible in sunlight as dark, etc.
Anyways... I digress.

TLDR;
iPhone XR is well cutting-edge, despite the LCD screen.

Sick marketing speak. Yikes. That chip is absurd in this configuration. I guess you're right on that point. But the rest? It's made up of off the shelf parts and marketing speak. I guess all that processing power would be sweet for managing some super huge database I can't even create due to the crap tier storage. It's like they put one shining gem in there and surrounded with with garbage to create...a budget phone. dur. The one deviation I really see, what could be seen as bleeding edge for Apple, is that they put an middling screen with a spectacular chip. Usually it's the opposite.

 

[Falhófnir]

It’s basically the og retina specification resolution wise - @2x just like the 4 through 8. The plus iPhones were *almost* @3x (@3x but downsampled to a 1080p panel) and the X, Xs and Xs Max are true @3x (though they have pentile matrices so technically as they have half RG and BG pixels rather than all RGB they only have the full number of green subpixels).

 

[nordique]

It's a bit better than 720p, but its less than 1080p (full HD)

Honestly, for most people this won't be an issue. Im looking at an iPhone 7 right now, and it looks perfectly fine. Not once have I ever thought "oh this should be a 1080p display"

Now, the fact it is going to have that resolution across a 6.1" screen as opposed to a 4.7" screen, ok sure I can understand that concerns exist. A 1080p display makes little sense on a 4.7" screen but an argument is more reasonable for a 6.1" display.

And would a 401 or 458 PPI display look better? Of course it would

But Apple has a very good track record with LCD displays, and it seems like they put a lot of effort into making an LCD screen that could go edge-to-edge....and with that, came sacrifices, such as 3D touch and very likely, resolution as well

MKBHD noted he was able to discern the difference and it was disappointing, but at the same time he did say the quality of the display was excellent. Which is what we have come to expect from Apple LCD displays

If people have such a strong issue with it, go for the XS or an older X for a similar price as the Xr, and you additionally get the improved OLED tech to go with the better resolution

 

[felixroqu3]

Id rather have a lower resolution screen and have all the other features it has. Its very very similar to the XS except for the screen.