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Michael Goff

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Interesting......I can't imagine using anything other than my iPad.

I have a hard enough time using Windows at work.

To each his/her own!

Oh my gosh, it is a mythical person who doesn't push their own needs as those of everybody! It is hard to find one of those.
 

jrswizzle

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Oh my gosh, it is a mythical person who doesn't push their own needs as those of everybody! It is hard to find one of those.

Hey, if you wanna ruin your life by using inferior technology, who am I to stop you ;)

I jest....of course. While I have my opinions about which is better, so does everyone else. In the end you use what works best for you.
 

Michael Goff

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Hey, if you wanna ruin your life by using inferior technology, who am I to stop you ;)

I jest....of course. While I have my opinions about which is better, so does everyone else. In the end you use what works best for you.

You're awesome.
 

TacticalDesire

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And iWork is no slouch - with cloud support, instant saves and syncs across all my devices + the ability to get on ANY computer, sign into icloud.com and work on the stuff I was working on on my iPad, I'd say there's a lot to like about iWork.

Office does the same exact thing...
 

Michael Goff

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Office web apps = horrifying......

And the program on my laptop at work does NOT auto save anything nor is it connected to any cloud backup source.

How are the Web Apps bad?

And once you save it once, it does autosave. And with 8.1, you can save things to the SkyDrive folder.
 

jrswizzle

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How are the Web Apps bad?

And once you save it once, it does autosave. And with 8.1, you can save things to the SkyDrive folder.

Oh - Windows 7 user.....it'll be somewhere around 2027 before my company moves to Windows 8.....

My only experience has been with Outlook - but the office365 site is confusing as heck. If I auto-login, there's no where I can go to access the apps/Outlook. All it does it take me around and around subscription pages.

Oh - and you have to pay yearly.....heck, you have to pay at all.

$30 gets me three apps I can use across all my devices FOREVER. And the online apps are free on iCloud.

Office isn't 3x/year better than iWork - and that's just based on pricing.
 

Michael Goff

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Oh - Windows 7 user.....it'll be somewhere around 2027 before my company moves to Windows 8.....

My only experience has been with Outlook - but the office365 site is confusing as heck. If I auto-login, there's no where I can go to access the apps/Outlook. All it does it take me around and around subscription pages.

Oh - and you have to pay yearly.....heck, you have to pay at all.

$30 gets me three apps I can use across all my devices FOREVER. And the online apps are free on iCloud.

Office isn't 3x/year better than iWork - and that's just based on pricing.

I use office web apps for free, I don't know what you're doing wrong. Then again, you're probably confusing Office 365 with the Web Apps. Also, for 7 you could probably just ... are you able to download the SkyDrive app? I think that'd work, since it also makes a directory that auto-syncs with SkyDrive.

I can't tell you about the 365 site, though, that costs money. I just use Office 2013 RT edition and Web Apps on occasion when I want to access my files on my Mac since there isn't a better note app than OneNote for me.

Finally, let's hope it's a little sooner than 2027. ;)
 

jrswizzle

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I use office web apps for free, I don't know what you're doing wrong. Then again, you're probably confusing Office 365 with the Web Apps. Also, for 7 you could probably just ... are you able to download the SkyDrive app? I think that'd work, since it also makes a directory that auto-syncs with SkyDrive.

I can't tell you about the 365 site, though, that costs money. I just use Office 2013 RT edition and Web Apps on occasion when I want to access my files on my Mac since there isn't a better note app than OneNote for me.

Finally, let's hope it's a little sooner than 2027. ;)

Ahh....lol I suppose I am confusing the two. I use Office out of necessity at work, in that I'm pretty locked down. If I had the choice, I'd use my mac for everything and would probably be fine with iWork. Since iOS7/Mavs, the compatibility issues have disappeared. Really impressed with the improvements.

I'm still trying to figure out some way to legitimately use the collaboration feature on iCloud.....but I don't really have any need to. I know Google Docs has had that feature.

So let me ask you this - have you used both Office RT and iWork for iPad? Can you compare the two? I've only used traditional Office.
 

Michael Goff

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Ahh....lol I suppose I am confusing the two. I use Office out of necessity at work, in that I'm pretty locked down. If I had the choice, I'd use my mac for everything and would probably be fine with iWork. Since iOS7/Mavs, the compatibility issues have disappeared. Really impressed with the improvements.

I'm still trying to figure out some way to legitimately use the collaboration feature on iCloud.....but I don't really have any need to. I know Google Docs has had that feature.

So let me ask you this - have you used both Office RT and iWork for iPad? Can you compare the two? I've only used traditional Office.

I do have to say that compatibility between the two has improved, even if it did come at the cost of OS X having a temporarily weaker version.

Now to compare iWork and Office on RT. Well, okay, I can't do it completely. I spent 10$ on Pages for the iPad, but never got around to buying the other two. So I can really only tell you about one of them.

Word and Pages both technically get the job done. Word on RT isn't really missing much when compared to Word normally. Add-ins, macros, and third party software. So, with that said, the differences are minimal. There are some things that are different, of course.

I happen to like the grammar checker of Office. The spellchecker is really too notch. There are also a lot of automation things, helpful things that are missing in my opinion from Pages as a whole. Title Page addition, making a bibliography or a works cited page, easy citations with the click of a button after you put the information into their tool. It's the small things, ya know?

The main thing you have to realize is that Office 2013 between normal Windows 8.1 and RT share a large amount of functionality.

That isn't to say that Pages isn't good, it really is, but I find Word to have a few things that I wish Pages would have as well. Mostly things that are my lazy wants, but what can I say?
 

sentinelsx

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If you're going to be using an office-type grouped of programs ... you shouldn't go with second best.

I guess pencil pushers are the only productive people around doodling on their word documents and spreadsheets. The rest of the folks who would use a tablet for say, control systems management are just doing it for fun.

That being said, I would take a surface pro over any other tablet. Use touch mode for consumption needs, use the amazing library of desktop software for work, just add a keyboard and mouse. So much better than a huge noisy and hot laptop.
 

Michael Goff

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I guess pencil pushers are the only productive people around doodling on their word documents and spreadsheets. The rest of the folks who would use a tablet for say, control systems management are just doing it for fun.

That being said, I would take a surface pro over any other tablet. Use touch mode for consumption needs, use the amazing library of desktop software for work, just add a keyboard and mouse. So much better than a huge noisy and hot laptop.

Hmm? I said Office-type for a reason.

Are you trying to argue for the sake of arguing?
 

Michael Goff

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The point was office isn't the benchmark for a productive product like its accepted everywhere nowadays.

And my point was that if you're using Office-type products, don't settle for second best. I didn't say that all people who do work use Office type things. I never even implied that. What I said is that if your work relies on Office type things, don't get the second best Officer type thing.

If your job relies on hammers, don't get the second best hammer. If it relies on a wrench, don't get the second best wrench. If it relies on X, get the best X you can.
 

sentinelsx

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And my point was that if you're using Office-type products, don't settle for second best. I didn't say that all people who do work use Office type things. I never even implied that. What I said is that if your work relies on Office type things, don't get the second best Officer type thing.

If your job relies on hammers, don't get the second best hammer. If it relies on a wrench, don't get the second best wrench. If it relies on X, get the best X you can.

Fair point. My apologies.
 

ozaz

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Oh - Windows 7 user.....it'll be somewhere around 2027 before my company moves to Windows 8.....

My only experience has been with Outlook - but the office365 site is confusing as heck. If I auto-login, there's no where I can go to access the apps/Outlook. All it does it take me around and around subscription pages.

Oh - and you have to pay yearly.....heck, you have to pay at all.

$30 gets me three apps I can use across all my devices FOREVER. And the online apps are free on iCloud.

Office isn't 3x/year better than iWork - and that's just based on pricing.

On Windows 7 PC, install the SkyDrive client then save Office documents to SkyDrive directory.

To use the web apps, login to skydrive.com (soon to be rebranded onedrive.com), and just click on your Office documents. There is also a create button to create new Office documents. I think its free for 7gb worth of documents.

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Personally, I wouldn't use iWork simply because I don't want my offline documents tied to an Apple-only ecosystem (both for collaboration reasons and because I don't only use Apple hardware). But if these things aren't an issue then iWork is obviously fine.
 

smizzle

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To get an ipad 3 over a Surface RT...it'll just be used mainly for the watching vids, emailing and general brousing....no serious work

It sounds like your intended usage is very similar to what I do on my iPad. I've been an iPad user since the first one came out and I think it's the perfect device for browsing the web, reading and consuming media. Air Video is a great app for streaming all types of video from your computer, and to access most other files I use dropbox.

If you expect to do any office type work, then you may want to look more into the Surface, but for just about everything else I think the iPad is a really capable device.
 

ozaz

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Ok....one thing that's putting me of though is the lack of usb....i've got alot of stuff on the desktop and have no idea how to get it from there to an pad

What kind of stuff would you be trying to get onto the iPad?
And how much data are we talking about?
Are your movies/music already managed by iTunes on your desktop?
 

The-Real-Deal82

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That's the problem, I don't know......and like both
You like them both but you are already finding obstructions with the iPad. I would get the iPad over any other tablet any day, but for you its best to get what suits your needs better. If you want to drap and drop movies and films onto a tablet, its best to get the Surface or perhaps an Android equivalent. ;)
 

Jibbajabba

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the office365 site is confusing as heck. If I auto-login, there's no where I can go to access the apps/Outlook. All it does it take me around and around subscription pages.

Confusing is an understatement ... We started reselling office 365 because it was supposed to ease the burden of supporting on-premise infrastructures .. It seems now a lot worse because customers can't navigate through the stupid Microshaft websites .. I always "google" certain pages as it is quicker than navigating through office365.com
 
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