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Ben J.

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The details:

Creating the bootable macOS installer drive:

It doesn't have to be a USB flash, thumb drive, like it says many places. It can be created on any APFS volume on any type of drive. I know people who need access to bootable installers across many, many versions, can have dusins of them on the same portable drive. After all, they don't take up much space, 10-15GB, and APFS volumes are nice in that they don't need to have their sizes set like partitions do, they use free space on the drive dynamically. (Edit: Correction: I forgot; as the Apple Support guide says; the USB bootable installer needs to be in MacOS Extended format, HFS+, so it can't be created on a APFS volume, it must be made on a HFS+ partition with a fixed size (if you don't use the whole drive). 30GB is OK.

Creating a backup of the Data part of the disk:
Create a TM backup.
Or create a new, empty APFS volume on an external disk, and make a disk image (.DMG) of your Finale drive in Disk Utilities:

Personally I use the .dmg method, because I haven't use TM in years, but also because I find restoring from dmgs easier and maybe more reliable than restoring from TM backup.

If the new mac (that was shipped with Sonoma or earlier, remember) has a later (or earlier) version of macOS installed, you proceed with installing Sonoma from the bootable installer. The disk will be erased and Sonoma installed and now have two volumes; (let's say it's called MacHD) the MacHD volume, that is unwritable and contains the OS, and the MacHD - Data that will eventually contain all user data, apps and so on. (these two volumes are in what's called a "volume group" and that's why it shows up a just one drive; "MacHD". It shows a combination of the two; both apps from the system volume and apps you install yourself on the "- Data" volume will appear in the Apps folder f.ex.)

This is basically the reason for this process being more convoluted than before, when we had a disk with a system folder that we could just copy and restore. The new "signed system volume" cannot be modified by other means than via macOS installers. All in the name of safety and security.

In this state, with the system installed, and the "- Data" volume pretty much empty, if you boot up the mac it will start with the "Hello" screen, like it was new, and you'd have to create a user etc. Instead, you restore the "- Data" volume with the .DMG you created from the Finale drive (using Disk Utilities in the recovery boot). The Disk is now pretty much a clone of that old drive, and when you boot it up you'll see all the familiar things and settings as before.

If you created a TM backup, the way to restore is to start the mac, "Hello", go thru the setup assistant ant tell it to restore from a TM backup when you get that option.

I'm sure I forgot something, but that's about it.

Bottom line; as long as you have the Sonoma bootable installer and a copy of the data (TM or .DMG), perhaps several copies in several places, you will be able to recreate your Finale disk on any Sonoma-compatible mac at any time in the future.
 
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chrfr

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2. You can download the installer, yes, but you do have to put it on a bootable drive to be able to install it. That's the only way to install an older specific version of macOS.
The post to which you replied said you do not need a bootable clone. That’s not the same thing as a bootable installer.
 

tenthousandthings

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Yes, those other backup companies make money because they offer a system that is intellectually simple because the idea of a "Clone" is so easy to understand. They play on the fact that people tend to fear what they don't understand. So they offer something easy to understand.

That is their ONLY advantage.

Yes the details of how Apple's APFF system works and how it makes incremental backups with so little data movement is not easy to understand. But you don't have to know. Just use it and it works.
CCC and SuperDuper! both emerged in the early days of OS X, as developer tools for running beta builds of OS X on partitions or other drives. You would clone your drive and then run the beta update on the clone. They could be used to create regular, bootable backups, but that wasn’t their initial purpose.
 
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YoyoMa4876234

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I really appreciate everyone chiming in.

all the various comments and warnings are well received, and I am going with the “bootable installer of Sonoma and a Time Machine copy of original drive” strategy-

FWIW, I will continue to use this software and install for as long as I can on this machine, and will likely hang onto this machine after I upgrade in years to come for this purpose.

i‘ve been a Finale professional for 30 years and I have work that won’t wait while I learn a new major platform from scratch. For anyone that cares, I also use Logic everyday and it is wonderful for so much, but inadequate for pro-level music engraving. And I have purchased a competing product Dorico and started a very long-term path of learning the new software and porting over.

meanwhie my 30+ years of Finale files, muscle memory equity and the privilege of making music for a living continues unabated with hopefully a solid plan for the future.

‘Thanks again everyone.
 

YoyoMa4876234

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The details:

Creating the bootable macOS installer drive:

It doesn't have to be a USB flash, thumb drive, like it says many places. It can be created on any APFS volume on any type of drive. I know people who need access to bootable installers across many, many versions, can have dusins of them on the same portable drive. After all, they don't take up much space, 10-15GB, and APFS volumes are nice in that they don't need to have their sizes set like partitions do, they use free space on the drive dynamically.

Creating a backup of the Data part of the disk:
Create a TM backup.
Or create a new, empty APFS volume on an external disk, and make a disk image (.DMG) of your Finale drive in Disk Utilities:

Personally I use the .dmg method, because I haven't use TM in years, but also because I find restoring from dmgs easier and maybe more reliable than restoring from TM backup.

If the new mac (that was shipped with Sonoma or earlier, remember) has a later (or earlier) version of macOS installed, you proceed with installing Sonoma from the bootable installer. The disk will be erased and Sonoma installed and now have two volumes; (let's say it's called MacHD) the MacHD volume, that is unwritable and contains the OS, and the MacHD - Data that will eventually contain all user data, apps and so on. (these two volumes are in what's called a "volume group" and that's why it shows up a just one drive; "MacHD". It shows a combination of the two; both apps from the system volume and apps you install yourself on the "- Data" volume will appear in the Apps folder f.ex.)

This is basically the reason for this process being more convoluted than before, when we had a disk with a system folder that we could just copy and restore. The new "signed system volume" cannot be modified by other means than via macOS installers. All in the name of safety and security.

In this state, with the system installed, and the "- Data" volume pretty much empty, if you boot up the mac it will start with the "Hello" screen, like it was new, and you'd have to create a user etc. Instead, you restore the "- Data" volume with the .DMG you created from the Finale drive (using Disk Utilities in the recovery boot). The Disk is now pretty much a clone of that old drive, and when you boot it up you'll see all the familiar things and settings as before.

If you created a TM backup, the way to restore is to start the mac, "Hello", go thru the setup assistant ant tell it to restore from a TM backup when you get that option.

I'm sure I forgot something, but that's about it.

Bottom line; as long as you have the Sonoma bootable installer and a copy of the data (TM or .DMG), perhaps several copies in several places, you will be able to recreate your Finale disk on any Sonoma-compatible mac at any time in the future.
Your thorough explanation is PRICELESS - thank you is a bare minimum, buying you a dinner could be appropriate, short of your hourly consultation rate.

THANK YOU
 
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