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Good luck Sony. :D

I love many of Sony's products. Generally speaking they've spend a lot of R&D on quirky weird stuff, some of which has little to no market (Aibo, Clie UX50). They seem similarly quality obsessed to Apple but a tad more eccentric and liable to take bizarre gambles. I like that. They're definitely up there with Apple in the "interesting technology companies list" for me.

I wouldn't discount them at all. They've done great things before and will again. The PS3 and PSP shouldn’t be ignored either, they sell very strongly in many territories.

I'd stick with my iphone + PSP rather than getting a PSP-S/E phone hybrid, but I'd prefer a market where both were options!
 
Actually Gruber, as usual, has it wrong - Sony saw the complete mess that Nokia made of merging games with mobile phones and rightly held off. Of course times have changed since then.

As for gaming the iPhone is a fine device but it's an auxiliary function and as such will never be as good as a dedicated device.

Actually, I cant really figure out how you say they "rightly held off" when their mobile phone share was about say very roughly 20% or even more and now their smart phone market is just %, nothing in front of it.

As you say times have changed since and where is sony, are they on the forefront of the wave with apple? No, they are in the beach with the other monumental bozos at ms trying to copy apple's surfboard just to get a taste for water....

that's not really good is it?
 
Everybody here seems to act like apple has totally won and the psp is a failure. Yet the article mentions that 50 million psp's have been sold, that's more than iPhone and iPod Touch combined and doesn't seem so bad after all.

If sony can create a phone that is compatible with all existing PSP games, that could be a huge advantage.
I love my iPhone, but I think it's a lousy device for most genres of games. Tilting the screen to steer a car? come on.
 
Part of the reason for that high of a sales number is partly because parents will buy their kids these PSP's. Try getting a parent to buy their 7 yr old an iPhone with a dataplan on a 2 year cellplan commitment is a different story...

PSP is a generally good device however if Sony tries to compete with iPhone it better have something worth a darn. Their past few products are not much to look at even if they have a ton of power under the hood.
 
I do a lot of works for Sony Ericsson...

And I do not see Sony Ericson being that professional compared to Apple.

Their cellphones are ok but they are cheap, lots of eye candy features but... without charm. They have about 7 models and is always complicated to choose one because they lack of things.
 
yea...how appealing would that be to have to balance the iphone in your lap while using a controller in the subway?

and if you say it could be directly attached to the iphone...what about games that play vertically or only in landscape mode? i don't want dongles and adapters galore for my iphone/ipod touch...

You have a fold out device that attaches to the top and bottom of the phone, with controls on it.

Nobody would make vertical scrolling games that used it any more than than they do for the Playstation 3. Issue solved.

Phazer
 
Im still wondering why people think a phone and a game console are in competition. Any serious gamer knows that the iPhone is not a very good unit to game on, yet the media keeps thinking it can compete with the psp.


I think you're kind of missing the point. I've never owned a game console and there's very little chance I ever will. Slight chance I may get a Wii, but beyond that, no chance. Definitely no chance I'd ever get anything like a PSP or DS - I just don't care. On the other hand. I got an iPhone on day one and upgraded to a 3GS on day one and have gotten a ton of use out of both. And I've gotten a heap of games for my iPhone and play games on it quite frequently. From what I've read, I've probably bought more games for my iPhone than the average PSP or DS owner buys. I never thought of games as a reason for getting my first iPhone, but after getting exposed to them, games where a significant factor in my desire to upgrade to the extra speed of the 3GS.
I know of a lot of people who have exactly the same outlook and experience with portable devices. I think that's what has Sony worried - the smart phones are going to kill off the standalone pocket gaming devices just like they did PDA's.
 
And I do not see Sony Ericson being that professional compared to Apple.

Their cellphones are ok but they are cheap, lots of eye candy features but... without charm. They have about 7 models and is always complicated to choose one because they lack of things.

You do realise you're talking about Apple here - the company that markets every product based on how "thin" it is, thinks that shaking a device is the best way to perfrom a function and that has a store filled with soft porn, fart applications and dating calculators?
 
Actually, I cant really figure out how you say they "rightly held off" when their mobile phone share was about say very roughly 20% or even more and now their smart phone market is just %, nothing in front of it.

Nokia's was even better and they made a complete bollocks of it. The market just wasn't ready for the model proposed. That's where Gruber gets it wrong - he relates today's market conditions to the ones in existence 5-10 years ago.

As you say times have changed since and where is sony, are they on the forefront of the wave with apple? No, they are in the beach with the other monumental bozos at ms trying to copy apple's surfboard just to get a taste for water....

Sony have been a dead man walking for a while - Gruber is right on this part, he's just wrong on the mobile gaming front. As for your comments on MS, frankly, you're being ridiculous unless MS have released a handheld gaming device whilst I wasn't looking.
 
I'm surprised no one has posted this yet:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ojLKeewbEk&feature=player_embedded

It only takes a simple add on ($50-$100) to make the iPhone a direct competitor to the PSP. The one pictured above is obviously not the best concept, but they can get there if someone puts enough money into it.
 
Part of the reason for that high of a sales number is partly because parents will buy their kids these PSP's. Try getting a parent to buy their 7 yr old an iPhone with a dataplan on a 2 year cellplan commitment is a different story...

PSP is a generally good device however if Sony tries to compete with iPhone it better have something worth a darn.

They have the framework in place, PSN store (Full PSP/PS1 games, demos, themes etc) Movie store (HD, SD movies/TV shows) and a "rumoured" music store (Sony BMG is a great starting place!) and even rumours of an app type store.

The PSPgo is the testing ground for the PSP2/PSP phone (as in a total media less device)

Their past few products are not much to look at even if they have a ton of power under the hood.

and i hope your not talking about the PS3! Its friggen awesome! :D
 
You do realise you're talking about Apple here - the company that markets every product based on how "thin" it is, thinks that shaking a device is the best way to perfrom a function and that has a store filled with soft porn, fart applications and dating calculators?

For portable devices, "thin" is one of the most important parameters. The comfort and ease with which I can carry my iphone in my pocket despite its relatively large screen is a big reason why I am happy to own it and will never own a portable devices with a physical keyboard or game controller built into the main device.
 
Everybody here seems to act like apple has totally won and the psp is a failure. Yet the article mentions that 50 million psp's have been sold, that's more than iPhone and iPod Touch combined and doesn't seem so bad after all.

If sony can create a phone that is compatible with all existing PSP games, that could be a huge advantage.
I love my iPhone, but I think it's a lousy device for most genres of games. Tilting the screen to steer a car? come on.

Yes and out of them 50 Million how many are replacements for broken PSP or are running homebrew? I bet it is a high % of users..Also I bet the software (games) are not as high because people are pirating the games instant of buying them.. Look at the Wi too. Hardware is through the roof but the Software is not even close... The PSP and Wii are the same.. People are running homebrew..
 
They have the framework in place, PSN store (Full PSP/PS1 games, demos, themes etc) Movie store (HD, SD movies/TV shows) and a "rumoured" music store (Sony BMG is a great starting place!) and even rumours of an app type store.

The PSPgo is the testing ground for the PSP2/PSP phone (as in a total media less device)

Yes, yes, cool, cool... that being said they don't implement this stuff very well. It has so much more potential but they never get there.

and i hope your not talking about the PS3! Its friggen awesome! :D

Sorry I was and that system was my reason for going Xbox 360, sad I know after being so Sony loyal but I realized they had their heads up their bums. It resembles someone blowing too hard into a PS2! Ugly is an understatement IMHO (of course). The 360 is just as good (not trying to invite a flame war) for me.
 
Wow - that must've been a hell of a C64.

Nevermind, but Wing Commander was one of the first games to really use up VGA gfx. So no chance playing that on a 16 colors C64.

I personally thought, it sucked btw.

Sorry you didn't enjoy it. Great fun for me. You're sure it didn't run on it? It was years ago and maybe I'm mistaken. But for sure this game was on 5 1/4 floppy disks at the time. Maybe it was a PC using this drive? I could've swore it was the C64! :confused:
 
I think you're kind of missing the point. I've never owned a game console and there's very little chance I ever will. Slight chance I may get a Wii, but beyond that, no chance. Definitely no chance I'd ever get anything like a PSP or DS - I just don't care. On the other hand. I got an iPhone on day one and upgraded to a 3GS on day one and have gotten a ton of use out of both. And I've gotten a heap of games for my iPhone and play games on it quite frequently. From what I've read, I've probably bought more games for my iPhone than the average PSP or DS owner buys. I never thought of games as a reason for getting my first iPhone, but after getting exposed to them, games where a significant factor in my desire to upgrade to the extra speed of the 3GS.
I know of a lot of people who have exactly the same outlook and experience with portable devices. I think that's what has Sony worried - the smart phones are going to kill off the standalone pocket gaming devices just like they did PDA's.
By your example the iPhone isnt competing with the PSP or DS anyway, so im not sure what you are trying to say.
 
Yes, yes, cool, cool... that being said they don't implement this stuff very well. It has so much more potential but they never get there.



Sorry I was and that system was my reason for going Xbox 360, sad I know after being so Sony loyal but I realized they had their heads up their bums. It resembles someone blowing too hard into a PS2! Ugly is an understatement IMHO (of course). The 360 is just as good (not trying to invite a flame war) for me.

Don't worry i'm not one of these people who think your not entitled to your opinion! Everyone can like what they want and shouldn't be flamed for it. :)

What made you dislike the PS3?
 
i will never (well, maybe not never...) take the iphone/ipod touch seriously as a gaming machine. why? the inherent lack of physical buttons is a major no-no for me.
Are you kidding me? Have you even tried games like Assassin's Creed on the iPhone? Have you heard of the Nintendo DS? A lot of games rely on the stylus for game play. Not only can the iPhone emulate that sort of game play but onscreen controls are perfectly usable give the multi-touch nature of the display. Also, games like real racing make good use of the accelerometer for steering.
but, i would be wary of saying the iphone will NEVER be as good sa a dedicated device. apple had no immediate desire to promote gaming on the iphone. once developers took charge and released "inspiring" gaming apps...thats when apples "lightbulb" turned on and helped market the app store.
I'm sorry but you are either blind or you have no TV service because you have completely missed the ads on TV that feature *GASP* games on the iPod Touch as a central feature.
:rolleyes:
http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/gallery/

The iPhone and iPod Touch share the same platform.
 
Apple should be really worried here and scared...

Rumor has it that what with the r&d and ingenuity that goes on in Sony these days we are in for a staggering new product.

edit:

***ALERT***, leaked photos of the new crossover psp/phone by sony, this is big...


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and the bottom horizontal part makes for a nice iphone stand.

I have the same on hanging on my living room wall.
 
Are you kidding me? Have you even tried games like Assassin's Creed on the iPhone? Have you heard of the Nintendo DS? A lot of games rely on the stylus for game play. Not only can the iPhone emulate that sort of game play but onscreen controls are perfectly usable give the multi-touch nature of the display. Also, games like real racing make good use of the accelerometer for steering.

I'm sorry but you are either blind or you have no TV service because you have completely missed the ads on TV that feature *GASP* games on the iPod Touch as a central feature.
:rolleyes:
http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/gallery/

The iPhone and iPod Touch share the same platform.

yes i have. i have downloaded over 45+ games...boredom while deployed will do that to you. i'm sorry, but you obviously did not read my posts in full as i had stated i own a ds...and a dsi for that matter. i ALSO stated that real racing and racing games in general tend to work (still with quirks in gameplay) rather decently well. however, without physical buttons you would be hard pressed to pull off any combos in a fighting game that required accurate d-pad movements. not just fighting games either. you need to realize that the spectrum of gaming isn't just limited to your casual gaming apps. even games that tend to impress fall short on the gameplay delivery - need for speed undercover is one of them. argue all you want but that game really could have benefited from physical buttons...but, EA made due and delivered a decent game...but, the sacrifices in the transition are apparent. not everything needs physical buttons...but you can't replace them either for everything.

also, apple didn't set out for the iphone and ipod touch to be a decent market for gaming apps as it is today. true they market it - but, it was only until they discovered just how (using this world lightly) capable it was to create games like monkey ball and crash bandicoot 3d did they run with the marketing and developers getting interested in producing ports and easily cheap funded projects on a mass platform.
 
Are you kidding me? Have you even tried games like Assassin's Creed on the iPhone? Have you heard of the Nintendo DS? A lot of games rely on the stylus for game play. Not only can the iPhone emulate that sort of game play but onscreen controls are perfectly usable give the multi-touch nature of the display. Also, games like real racing make good use of the accelerometer for steering.

I'm sorry but you are either blind or you have no TV service because you have completely missed the ads on TV that feature *GASP* games on the iPod Touch as a central feature.
:rolleyes:
http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/gallery/

The iPhone and iPod Touch share the same platform.

yes i have. i have downloaded over 25+ games...boredom while deployed will do that to you. i'm sorry, but you obviously did not read my posts in full as i had stated i own a ds...and a dsi for that matter. i ALSO stated that real racing and racing games in general tend to work (still with quirks in gameplay) rather decently well. however, without physical buttons you would be hard pressed to pull off any combos in a fighting game that required accurate d-pad movements. not just fighting games either. you need to realize that the spectrum of gaming isn't just limited to your casual gaming apps. even games that tend to impress fall short on the gameplay delivery - need for speed undercover is one of them. argue all you want but that game really could have benefited from physical buttons...but, EA made due and delivered a decent game...but, the sacrifices in the transition are apparent. not everything needs physical buttons...but you can't replace them either for everything.

also, apple didn't set out for the iphone and ipod touch to be a decent market for gaming apps as it is today. true they market it - but, it was only until they discovered just how (using this world lightly) capable it was to create games like monkey ball and crash bandicoot 3d did they run with the marketing and developers getting interested in producing ports and easily cheap funded projects on a mass platform.
 
Don't worry i'm not one of these people who think your not entitled to your opinion! Everyone can like what they want and shouldn't be flamed for it. :)

What made you dislike the PS3?

I just thought that the lighting in the games looked washed out plus the unit looked like an overweight darth vader fanboy sitting in my living room. I just could get that image out of my friggin head. That being said, if they were to recase it slimmer and drop the price a bit I would crack. I am a glutton for gaming. :D
 
Anyone that thinks that the iPhone or iPod Touch is a better gaming device then the PSP is fooling themselves. It's totally asinine to even suggest that the iPhone can rival the PSP as a serious gaming platform.

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