sony honami

[gotluck]

No threads about this device eh?

It would seem to have the advantage over the lg g2. At least for me.

Not many threads about Sony anything here.. hmm

They seem to be quick to update, along with an active dev community for flashers.

http://www.androidauthority.com/alleged-sony-honami-camera-sample-20-7-megapixel-254852/

 

[gotluck]

http://androidcommunity.com/sony-honami-image-leak-details-the-handset-in-white-20130814/

More pictures, shows the white model

 

[Menneisyys2]

20.7 megapixels on a 1/2.3 sensor delivers REALLY bad IQ.

The IQ will be the same as those of the Sony HX series compact cameras. The latter are perhaps the IQ-wise worst non-budget compacts; even the Pana ZS series is better, IQ-wise.

However, someone said it’d have 4k video recording. While I really don't think Sony does allow for 24+ fps 4k recording, it'd be a BIG selling point. However, with such a small sensor and a not-very-revolutionary specs (compard to the LG G2), I think it'll be a no-go, at least for me.

Next (LG G2) please...

 

[gotluck]

are you meaning the camera on the g2 is revolutionary?

the other specs are largely the same, aside from lack of sd card on the g2. The bezel being much more attractive on the g2 aesthetically. I'm more worried about its skin than anything, potential lack of xda developer support/slow updates (haven't heard much about lg's history- everyone has a nexus 4), locked bootloader.

no IR blaster on honami it seems

 

[damitssam]

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1604900/

 

[Menneisyys2]

are you meaning the camera on the g2 is revolutionary?

Nope, it's not a Nokia 808 / 1020. However, it, based on the first videos / photos, seems to be excellent (for a small-sensor 13 Mpixel one - again, can't hold a candle to the Nokias).

The Honami, however, were rumoured (back in teh day) to have a large sensor and, consequently, being a Nokia killer at the image quality dept. This is why a lot of us was really looking for the Honami - and this is why we're diosappointed.

 

[Cod3rror]

Nope, it's not a Nokia 808 / 1020. However, it, based on the first videos / photos, seems to be excellent (for a small-sensor 13 Mpixel one - again, can't hold a candle to the Nokias).

The Honami, however, were rumoured (back in teh day) to have a large sensor and, consequently, being a Nokia killer at the image quality dept. This is why a lot of us was really looking for the Honami - and this is why we're diosappointed.

Yes, but it may still beat 1020, due to it's terrible algorithms and software but I really doubt it touches the 808.

For those that want to know: Honami's sensor is considerably smaller than either 1020 or 808 ones. It was rumoured to have a 1/1.5" sensor, but it only has a 1/2.3, that's bigger than iPhone 5 / Galaxy S4 and the size budget P&S cameras use but it's nowhere near 1/1.5 in 1020 and an even bigger 1/1.2 in 808.

Sony is artificially limited, they have P&S cameras and they cannot allow a smartphone to cannibal their sales. So, I imagine they won't allow a phone to have a better quality than a P&S.

 

[Menneisyys2]

Sony is artificially limited, they have P&S cameras and they cannot allow a smartphone to cannibal their sales. So, I imagine they won't allow a phone to have a better quality than a P&S.

Dunno if they couldn't have come up with a better camera, that is, one with a much larger sensor... after all, the major selling point of the 808 / 1020 is the large-sensor camera.

They wouldn't have cannibalized the sales of their P&S cameras IMHO. After all, most of them are pocket superzooms (the HX series), targeted at completely different folks (those needing optical zoom) while being able to put up with the bad IQ of the HX line. The 808's customers were entirely different folks (mostly photo / camera enthusiasts looking for as good IQ as possible.)

 

[Cod3rror]

Dunno if they couldn't have come up with a better camera, that is, one with a much larger sensor... after all, the major selling point of the 808 / 1020 is the large-sensor camera.

They wouldn't have cannibalized the sales of their P&S cameras IMHO. After all, most of them are pocket superzooms (the HX series), targeted at completely different folks (those needing optical zoom) while being able to put up with the bad IQ of the HX line. The 808's customers were entirely different folks (mostly photo / camera enthusiasts looking for as good IQ as possible.)

I'm sure they are capable of doing it.

If Sony actually got serious and made a real competitor to 808/1020. With a big sensor, high megapixels oversampling technology and Android, they'd quickly take Nokia's camera thunder and customers.

 

[mattopotamus]

another look at it
http://www.androidcentral.com/huawei-ascend-p6-first-look-pictures-and-video

 

[Menneisyys2]

I'm sure they are capable of doing it.

Me too. Hope they do it next time. For the time being, now that I know Honami isn't what it was rumoured to be (a large-sensor device) I'm staying with the 808, with the upgrade path being either the Lumia 1020 or the LG G2.

 

[Ffosse]

I'd be worried about its construction after the back plate coming unglued on my Xperia Z.

 

[Cod3rror]

Me too. Hope they do it next time. For the time being, now that I know Honami isn't what it was rumoured to be (a large-sensor device) I'm staying with the 808, with the upgrade path being either the Lumia 1020 or the LG G2.

If you got 808, don't go with 1020, you'll be disappointed. It's images are nowhere near in quality compared to 808.

 

[Markyboy81]

If you got 808, don't go with 1020, you'll be disappointed. It's images are nowhere near in quality compared to 808.

Really? The sensor might be smaller, but it does have ois. Have a look over on all about symbian - they have tested both and say there's not much in it. Plus the algorithms and software in the 1020 will continue to improve.
Not that I'd ever buy a 1020 mind you due to WP

 

[Cod3rror]

Really? The sensor might be smaller, but it does have ois. Have a look over on all about symbian - they have tested both and say there's not much in it. Plus the algorithms and software in the 1020 will continue to improve.
Not that I'd ever buy a 1020 mind you due to WP

I did A LOT of comparison between 808 and 1020.

808 is the better camera.

808 has a bigger sensor, ND filtre, ISO 50 mode, better lenses(1020 has problems on the edges), MUCH better algorithms, 1020 cannot do manual focus when recording a video(only before hand)

1020 has OIS, Nokia Pro Cam and that's it for pros. Cons, grain, noise, over sharpening, over processing, over saturation.

There simply is no cameraphone that takes images as smooth as 808. It was definitely Nokia's peak.

 

[adder7712]

Why 4K video recording? Most likely people will review the footage on a computer and the highest resolution monitors that are still considered affordable are 2560x1440 monitors.

Or multiple monitors? I don't know...

 

[Markyboy81]

I did A LOT of comparison between 808 and 1020.

808 is the better camera.

808 has a bigger sensor, ND filtre, ISO 50 mode, better lenses(1020 has problems on the edges), MUCH better algorithms, 1020 cannot do manual focus when recording a video(only before hand)

1020 has OIS, Nokia Pro Cam and that's it for pros. Cons, grain, noise, over sharpening, over processing, over saturation.

There simply is no cameraphone that takes images as smooth as 808. It was definitely Nokia's peak.


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I still believe that a lot of the 'cons' of the 1020 can be addressed in software update. Plus, the noise and over sharpening you mention is only visible at 100%. I reckon that if you compare 808 and 1020 images side by side on a full hd screen there would be little to choose between them. In fact, the 1020 images would probably be more vivid and punchier.
I owned the 808 for a few months and while the camera was fantastic, I couldn't use it as a standalone device - symbian is just far to far behind in my opinion.
The same can be said for the 1020 - I'd probably be more likely to pick up one of these but only when windows phone has improved significantly.

 

[Menneisyys2]

Why 4K video recording? Most likely people will review the footage on a computer and the highest resolution monitors that are still considered affordable are 2560x1440 monitors.

Or multiple monitors? I don't know...

It's way more future proof than simple Full HD.

 

[mattopotamus]

It's way more future proof than simple Full HD.

b.c we will all have the same phone in 5 years. 4k is far from being the "near" future or the life of a cell phone you buy today.

 

[Markyboy81]

It's way more future proof than simple Full HD.

I can't see that 4k is really going to catch on outside of the cinema, as full hd seems to be plenty good enough on most screens up to about 50" unless you sit close up.
Would like to be proved wrong though.

 

[mattopotamus]

I can't see that 4k is really going to catch on outside of the cinema, as full hd seems to be plenty good enough on most screens up to about 50" unless you sit close up.
Would like to be proved wrong though.

that coupled with the fact cable tv will probably not broadcast anything higher than it currently does

 

[Cod3rror]

I still believe that a lot of the 'cons' of the 1020 can be addressed in software update. Plus, the noise and over sharpening you mention is only visible at 100%. I reckon that if you compare 808 and 1020 images side by side on a full hd screen there would be little to choose between them. In fact, the 1020 images would probably be more vivid and punchier.
I owned the 808 for a few months and while the camera was fantastic, I couldn't use it as a standalone device - symbian is just far to far behind in my opinion.
The same can be said for the 1020 - I'd probably be more likely to pick up one of these but only when windows phone has improved significantly.

A lot of it can indeed to be fixed with a software update. Will Nokia fix it though?

1020 would not be my main device either, so it being "modern" does not excuse it's smaller sensor, absense of ND filtre and other things for me, because it'd pretty much same the same position as 808, a secondary phone.

I'll just wait till next the camera flagship and hope it has a bigger sensor, better software algorithms and that it beats 808 soundly. It's not worth paying €700+ for a "gives 808 run for its money" device.

 

[Markyboy81]

A lot of it can indeed to be fixed with a software update. Will Nokia fix it though?

1020 would not be my main device either, so it being "modern" does not excuse it's smaller sensor, absense of ND filtre and other things for me, because it'd pretty much same the same position as 808, a secondary phone.

I'll just wait till next the camera flagship and hope it has a bigger sensor, better software algorithms and that it beats 808 soundly. It's not worth paying €700+ for a "gives 808 run for its money" device.

Agree completely, wouldn't hold my breath on any updates either.
Kind if wish I'd hung on to my 808 as a secondary phone, maybe I can buy one back for a good price when everyone flocks to buy the 1020

 

[strausd]

Why 4K video recording?

We have got to start some time. If we keep putting it off until 4K monitors become the norm, then people won't buy 4K monitors because they can't shoot in 4K. So eventually our devices have to make the jump. The time is just coming up now. And it makes sense to put it in a phone first because people upgrade their phones more often than they upgrade their monitors. Plus the smartphone market is probably the most competitive market out there right now. So adding something like this can help make a phone stand out.

 

[Menneisyys2]

I did A LOT of comparison between 808 and 1020.

808 is the better camera.
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Just a quick note: your example shots are inherently flawed and, consequently, can't really show the quality difference between the two cameras.

In them, all of the 808 shots are underexposed compared to those of the 1020.

1, underexposing will always mean less highlight clipping - exactly the one thing you're mentioning as clearly worse with the 1020 than with the 808

2, you can dial in a constant, say, -2/3 under-exposing (exposure compensation) with the 1020 too. (After all, they aren't iPhones - my entire article dedicated to iOS exposure compensation is HERE.) Then, assuming similar exposure, the dynamic range of the two cameras will be approximately the same - as is easy to conclude based on other tests.