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$180 drive $20 kit plus shipping $10

That is $210 the BTO costs $300. You save $90!

I analyzed putting a Samsung 830 in a new mac mini and came to the same conclusion as above. $175 on sale at new egg with free shipping ... lucky I have lots of good tools...

Even for saving $125 from the apple 256 I would conclude "for me" the gain is not worth it.

FWIW.... If I WAS going to put a drive in then I would go whole hog and put in a 512 samsung and a 256 with the OWC cable.... but that is ~$750 ($525+$175+$50).... + the base mini

Just getting the Mini with apple 256 and adding a USB3 Samsung 512 externally is ~$550 for the drive/Case and $300 for the apple 256 + the base mini -- at $750 vs $850 I still would go the apple internal route... But that's me :)...
 
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I know this is a mac forum and I shouldn't expect better, but you sound like the average consumer that is willing to blow $1478874823723432 on anything shiny that Apple throws out and not even blink to reconsider another option.

This wasn't directed at me, but sometimes this does apply. I have built scads of computers. They all ran great and very fast. But I had to keep fiddling for one reason or another. Now I'm getting on in years and have lost interest in "customizing to save a buck". Install an 830, then enable trim. Apple pushes an update, trim is shut down, then re-enable trim (if you remember to that is). Doesn't sound like much, but to each his/her own. Also, the last thing I need is a left over 5400 1TB hard drive. THAT'S wasted money for me. I have much faster drives available (more than I need really). So we're talking ~$200 for aftermarket 256 SSD or $270 for Apple's option. Overpriced. Sure. I'm not stupid. But, if something should go wrong during the three years of Applecare, I don't have to swap drives, I just carry it in to Apple. I won't have any concerns about performance or compatibility for three years. Just plug and go.
Years ago I would have tinkered and tweaked. Now, any potential hassle outweighs the miniscule price difference.
 
I've been thinking about what to do too. I live in Barcelona so prices are different than in the US.

I found a Samsung 830 256GB for €185 + shipping, that is around €200. I gotta then buy the OWC installation kit, which is €55 in a store I found. So €255 for an SSD, instead of the €300 that costs at Apple.

Thing is though, I got a 12% off due to an agreement between Apple and my University, therefore it'd be €264 for Apple's SSD.

Real difference for me, €10. Not worth having to open the Mini up and dealing with the installation.

BUT. 'What about the extra 1TB drive you get' you'll say. Well... I currently have a Mini with a 500GB regular drive with 300GB+ of free Space. I keep everything in two FireWire drives that I got connected to it. Why? Well, that way I can always carry my files, movies and all around if I want to.

Anyways. I'll always be able to put an extra regular HDD inside of it. Maybe a 3TB 7200rpm drive when they actually come out. LOL
 
A page of arguing... and still no answer to the actual question:p.

I actually answered it on the first page. Right now Apple uses a rebranded Samsung 830 for their SSD in the macbook pros. We dont know for sure what the minis use, but most likely the same thing.

The mac book air uses a blade version as does the retina. The air also uses a 6gps toshiba drive. But apparently is only limited to the 128gb drives.

We will know for sure in a few days.
 
Another newbie here.
Mr. Iamthedudeman, being new to this forum means nothing. Please stop beating a dead (wrong) horse. "Arithmetic" is your friend.:D
 
This wasn't directed at me, but sometimes this does apply. I have built scads of computers. They all ran great and very fast. But I had to keep fiddling for one reason or another. Now I'm getting on in years and have lost interest in "customizing to save a buck". Install an 830, then enable trim. Apple pushes an update, trim is shut down, then re-enable trim (if you remember to that is). Doesn't sound like much, but to each his/her own. Also, the last thing I need is a left over 5400 1TB hard drive. THAT'S wasted money for me. I have much faster drives available (more than I need really). So we're talking ~$200 for aftermarket 256 SSD or $270 for Apple's option. Overpriced. Sure. I'm not stupid. But, if something should go wrong during the three years of Applecare, I don't have to swap drives, I just carry it in to Apple. I won't have any concerns about performance or compatibility for three years. Just plug and go.
Years ago I would have tinkered and tweaked. Now, any potential hassle outweighs the miniscule price difference.


This sums up my feelings exactly ;)
 
Another newbie here.
Mr. Iamthedudeman, being new to this forum means nothing. Please stop beating a dead (wrong) horse. "Arithmetic" is your friend.:D

Sorry rookie being new to the forum means something.( just kidding it really doesnt, but dont tell anybody.);)

Its just a opinion, you cannot really be right or wrong giving a opinion(thats okay rookie mistake:D)but as you can see others feel the same way as i do.
 
The Samsung 830 can be purchased new for about $170 - 190 as of this moment via Newegg or Amazon. Including the amount of the 1TB drive you get to keep (call it $80 for fun) and the savings are much more than $50. It only takes 30 minutes max to swap everything out and is really rather simple to do.

So saving about $200 and takes a few minutes. A bit less should one buy the parts and keep the standard 1TB drive internal.

Some may not be comfortable doing it which is fine, especially if they are concerned about damaging it and voiding the warranty. Small risk for some with a large savings.
 
The Samsung 830 can be purchased new for about $170 - 190 as of this moment via Newegg or Amazon. Including the amount of the 1TB drive you get to keep (call it $80 for fun) and the savings are much more than $50. It only takes 30 minutes max to swap everything out and is really rather simple to do.

So saving about $200 and takes a few minutes. A bit less should one buy the parts and keep the standard 1TB drive internal.

Some may not be comfortable doing it which is fine, especially if they are concerned about damaging it and voiding the warranty. Small risk for some with a large savings.

Again, not sure who this is directed to, but *I* could care less about a 1TB 5200 notebook drive. To me it's trash, so $80 "for fun" does not even apply as a *savings*.
Anyway, I will say I was using EDU pricing on my previous post. That saves $20 on the mini, $10 on my processor upgrade (2.6), $50 on the Applecare, and the $30 on the 256 SSD drive over regular retail pricing. That's $110. I'm not pounding a chest here, but I am comfortable paying Apple the extra $100 for three years of no trim/garbage collection monitoring, performance or warranty concerns, or anything else for their SSD over a Crucial or Samsung. For *me*, going with an aftermarket SSD is worth *nothing*
Again, I assure you, age comes into play here. If you don't see it now, you may very well see it later. not bad or good here, just fact. It's important though that not not consider people *stupid* or *foolish* if they select the Apple drives.
I repair Macs, installing anything, on any mac, I can do blindfolded. So it's not intimidation for me either.
There is more to the choice than you may think. You may not agree, but the it's worth some respect.
 
All fair comments. I don't consider anybody foolish or stupid for making a decision that makes sense to them. The decision to save minimal half the cost of the optional SSD would make sense to me. Agree the standard drive itself wouldn't be an incentive for some, but for others it would be a useful back-up solution or it could even be sold for minimum $50 as I've done with previous standard HDs.
 
So to save a $100. You are going to use a hack, take the risk of voiding the warranty, give up the use of firmware that was designed to work with the OS, has no better performance, actually might have less performance depending on the drive, and have no firmware updates for a measly $100?

Still no answer.

Of course i'd remove the drive and if i have to take in my machine to get serviced by Apple THAT MUCH, Apple just lost me as a consumer.

One time and they lose you as a customer? Who said anything about getting your machine serviced that much?

Because there is no NEED to update them. Not because you can't. And yes, YOU CAN.
When Crucial released their update to the m4 for the xxxxx hour fail timer, guess what? It applied to any Mac that was using the m4 as well. Firmware are not necessarily not OS specific, especially if the update has nothing to do with the OS and more over the memory controller on the ssd.


Really no need to update them? A drive doesn't need to take advantage in optimizations in the OS. Since when? If OSX updates the OS to take advantage of a new feature where flash storage is concerned, which a third party drive cannot do. That isn't important?

Sorry you are wrong on that one. The Crucial M4 is the only, let me repeat the only drive to have firmware that updates via OSX. And no crucial cannot have firmware updates to work with the OS like a Apple SSD can.

Actually it is that easy. I don't know what to say, if you think a Mac Mini is hard to take apart, you need to spend some time in the custom PC market.



Every time you need to take in your mac, taking a drive out of a Mac mini is that easy. No it's not. I can do it in less than 10min. You assume too much. I did enough of them. But for you one time person who never did it before it can be a daunting task. Let alone to do it every time your machine needs serviced. That notion i absurd.

OWC Skill Level: "Involved"

http://eshop.macsales.com/installvideos/mac_mini2011_hd_m/

Saving...MONEY? Money that can go towards a better cause?

I know this is a mac forum and I shouldn't expect better, but you sound like the average consumer that is willing to blow $1478874823723432 on anything shiny that Apple throws out and not even blink to reconsider another option.


Give me a break. Didn't I just say I have installed numerious SSD's in Mini's. So many that I can't even count? Pay attention much?:rolleyes:

I am frugal as they come being a business owner. I can buy what ever I want for my business, but chose to do them my self. Partly because i like tinkering around also and it saved me money. So I would stop assuming so much, it seems you like to do that.

I only do something or save money when it makes sense. Not 'just because'. And no $100 is not enough reason to add my own SSD. Especially when having to possibly void the warranty, have no firmware updates, no native trim support, etc.

No it doesn't make sense and is not very smart. No matter how you spin it.

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Once again, WRONG!

From the article. Even Anand agrees with me.

How does the Apple SM512E stack up to Samsung's reference PM830 and other modern SSDs? I should note that we're forced to test the SM512E in a different state than we do normal drives (I lack the appropriate adapter to get the SM512E working on my SSD testbed), so the results are likely a bit lower than they would be otherwise.

Lending further credibility to the theory that Apple tweaked Samsung's firmware for more client focused performance is the very solid showing in our sequential tests. With sufficient random IO performance, client workloads are easily bound by sequential IO - the reason being that client applications still operate under the assumption the user has a mechanical drive, which at best can deliver a couple MB/s of random IO performance.

Overall I'm very pleased with Apple's PM830 based SSD in the Retina Display MacBook Pro. I am curious to see how the Toshiba alternative performs, as well as how the various configurations used in the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro fare. For the first time since Apple's use of solid state storage in Macs, there's no longer a performance reason to swap in a third party SSD.

"For the first time since Apple's use of solid state storage in Macs, there's no longer a performance reason to swap in a third party SSD."

I think he knows a little more than you about SSD's.

You argument is weak and makes little sense. Good luck saving $100 and giving up custom firmware, no performance gains, Trim support, and possible voiding your warranty. All for the grand total of $100.

Smart decision. ;)

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Not via OSX you didn't. You did it via boot. Nor does trim work via OSX, but via a trim hack.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1408327/

You make some good points. The "Every time you Mac needs to be serviced" is not a good argument. Mac's don't typically need to be serviced frequently. If it does, you have bigger problems than replacing a original HD.... Which you would have become fairly proficient at I'd guess.

Good and interesting points other wise.... That one just sticks me :)
 
This wasn't directed at me, but sometimes this does apply. I have built scads of computers. They all ran great and very fast. But I had to keep fiddling for one reason or another. Now I'm getting on in years and have lost interest in "customizing to save a buck". Install an 830, then enable trim. Apple pushes an update, trim is shut down, then re-enable trim (if you remember to that is). Doesn't sound like much, but to each his/her own. Also, the last thing I need is a left over 5400 1TB hard drive. THAT'S wasted money for me. I have much faster drives available (more than I need really). So we're talking ~$200 for aftermarket 256 SSD or $270 for Apple's option. Overpriced. Sure. I'm not stupid. But, if something should go wrong during the three years of Applecare, I don't have to swap drives, I just carry it in to Apple. I won't have any concerns about performance or compatibility for three years. Just plug and go.
Years ago I would have tinkered and tweaked. Now, any potential hassle outweighs the miniscule price difference.

I'm by no stretch an expert on this. I just added a 512 GB Crucial M4 to my 2011 MBP 15. I almost got an OCZ but the power consumption is terribly high on their models. I moved the 750 GB HD to the optical bay. Thats the extent of my personal SSD experience but I read that newer SSD drives have their own garbage collection and TRIM is not as necessary as it once was and may even be counter productive in some cases. Is that accurate?

Assuming that it is, if you are buying a SSD today, why worry about TRIM.


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To the OP, I totally understand your concern over the extra $300 for an SSD option. Apple is charging 50% more than a decent 256 GB SSD would cost on Amazon for under $200 and Apple also pockets the saving from the HDD on top of that. That extra $100+ would get you a 16 GB memory kit. Personally, I don't mind a paying a little for convenience but this seems like a lot for what is supposed to be an inexpensive product. We all know that a LOT of people add their after market SSDs to Macs with no problems. I would add an after market SSD and get a 16 GB memory from OWC if the difference if it were me.

My 2 cents.
 
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You make some good points. The "Every time you Mac needs to be serviced" is not a good argument. Mac's don't typically need to be serviced frequently. If it does, you have bigger problems than replacing a original HD.... Which you would have become fairly proficient at I'd guess.

Good and interesting points other wise.... That one just sticks me :)

You are right, they don't. I agree with you. But everyone has different view points on the matter. It is a little more pronounced with me as I have 35+ macs for my business and 4 at home. :(
 
To upgrade to a 256 SSD in the UK it's £240

A samsung 256 SSD in the UK is around £130.

That is on average £110 saving, that is quite a lot, can go towards RAM and some peripherals.

On the MBP's it's relatively easy to change the HD, doesn't void your warranty (confirmed by me going to the store and asking an Apple Genius)

Are we certain that changing the drive on the Mac Mini will void the warranty?
 
Are we certain that changing the drive on the Mac Mini will void the warranty?

Yeah, it does. However, I heard of quite a few cases where the geniuses repaired Minis under warranty where the user built in a SSD, so Apple doesn't seem to be too strict about this. It's a gamble.
 
Yeah, it does. However, I heard of quite a few cases where the geniuses repaired Minis under warranty where the user built in a SSD, so Apple doesn't seem to be too strict about this. It's a gamble.

Thank you very much for your reply.
 
If Apple indeed has a custom firmware on the Samsung SSD then it's just a matter of time before someone plugs that drive into a PC, backups the firmware and makes it available for everyone else. They certainly won't make the memory chips or the controller.

Personally I'd prefer to have the Samsung 840 Pro instead of the ageing 830.
 
i had a mini on order with the hdd and i was planning to add in an ssd myself. ive been browsing some sites including this forum trying to decide which drive to go with. this thread prompted me to look deeper into how these ssd's work. ithe more i look the less attractive ssd's look. there seems to be no end to the information battle between these ssd makers. i decided to cancel and re-order with the oem ssd and not have to think about garbage collection and patches and deteriorating performance. the price differnce isnt much in the scheme. however- the ram i will be installing myself for a savings of $220
 
i had a mini on order with the hdd and i was planning to add in an ssd myself. ive been browsing some sites including this forum trying to decide which drive to go with. this thread prompted me to look deeper into how these ssd's work. ithe more i look the less attractive ssd's look. there seems to be no end to the information battle between these ssd makers. i decided to cancel and re-order with the oem ssd and not have to think about garbage collection and patches and deteriorating performance. the price differnce isnt much in the scheme. however- the ram i will be installing myself for a savings of $220

I am considering returning mine purely for this :( having doubts. Got the mac next to me and havent opened it since Friday trying to decide.
 
I am considering returning mine purely for this :( having doubts. Got the mac next to me and havent opened it since Friday trying to decide.

Just unbox your mini and start using it, don't worry about all the stupidity and Apple worship going on in this ridonkulous thread. I have my new Mini running a "non oem" SSD all without issue, some people like to bitch and whinge here because they are "always right". yeah right.......
 
Just unbox your mini and start using it, don't worry about all the stupidity and Apple worship going on in this ridonkulous thread. I have my new Mini running a "non oem" SSD all without issue, some people like to bitch and whinge here because they are "always right". yeah right.......

How are you managing TRIM and all that? May I ask what SSD you are using ? I think I will be getting an 830. You have a 2011 Server, awesome :D
 
Do we know what the stock SSD is? :confused: Has it been confirmed yet it is indeed Samsung 830? :rolleyes:
 
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