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SSD with native TRIM support

oneMadRssn said:
Take a look here - http://www.cindori.org/trim-enabler-and-yosemite/

Trim Enabler will do everything automatically for you still, so it seems easy, but under the hood it makes a change with far-reaching effects, and this change can be accidentally or automatically undone by the OS at some point which then prevents the OS from booting and requires some terminal magic in recovery mode to fix.

Even if you plan to continue using Trim Enabler on Yosemite, it's best to bookmark that page on your iphone and become familiar with it because it is likely one day you will need it.
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I don't own an iPhone.. what I do own is a printer.. and I used it to great effect with that page a fortnight ago.
if it ever comes to pass that i need to use it.. i'll be back to report. but in the meantime.. trim still looks 'Super'.

So.. we'll see. I also have Yosemite installer on a memory stick and my machine is fully backed up on a time machine.

im not even vaguely worried.
 
I've ordered it...

I'm not sure if that is still of interest, but I ordered one of those drives. I wanted to upgrade my old MBP anyway, and this seemed like a good occasion. (There was a bundle offer by Hardwrk that fit what I was looking for.) The price is similar to Samsung 850s, and I saw some good reviews, so the risk is bearable. It should arrive next week, if anybody would like me to run any particular tests on it, just drop me a note here.
 
Zyaama said:
I'm not sure if that is still of interest, but I ordered one of those drives. I wanted to upgrade my old MBP anyway, and this seemed like a good occasion. (There was a bundle offer by Hardwrk that fit what I was looking for.) The price is similar to Samsung 850s, and I saw some good reviews, so the risk is bearable. It should arrive next week, if anybody would like me to run any particular tests on it, just drop me a note here.
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Please let us know if the Trim works natively without any hacks, as advertised. Thanks!
 
Works

I installed the Angelwire SSD yesterday. Used a bundle from Hardwrk (http://hardwrk.com/macbook-ssd-hdd-adapter-bundle.html), and installed in combination with a 1 TB hard drive as a Fusion Drive.

The system recognizes the SSD as an "APPLE SSD A29ACXBA8TA", TRIM is enabled without me doing anything at all. Sorry, I can't seem to post pictures yet, but system report says:

APPLE SSD A29ACXBA8TA:

Kapazität: 256,06 GB (256.060.514.304 Byte)
Modell: APPLE SSD A29ACXBA8TA
Version: N1007C
Seriennummer: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Native Command Queuing: Ja
Queue Depth: 32
Wechselmedien: Nein
Absteckbares Laufwerk: Nein
BSD-Name: disk0
Medienart: Solid State
TRIM-Unterstützung: Ja
Partitionstabellentyp: GPT (GUID-Partitionstabelle)
S.M.A.R.T.-Status: Überprüft​

(Yes, it's in German. "TRIM Unterstützung" means "TRIM support", "Ja" means "Yes".)
 
Zyaama said:
I installed the Angelwire SSD yesterday. Used a bundle from Hardwrk (http://hardwrk.com/macbook-ssd-hdd-adapter-bundle.html), and installed in combination with a 1 TB hard drive as a Fusion Drive.

The system recognizes the SSD as an "APPLE SSD A29ACXBA8TA", TRIM is enabled without me doing anything at all. Sorry, I can't seem to post pictures yet, but system report says:

APPLE SSD A29ACXBA8TA:

Kapazität: 256,06 GB (256.060.514.304 Byte)
Modell: APPLE SSD A29ACXBA8TA
Version: N1007C
Seriennummer: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Native Command Queuing: Ja
Queue Depth: 32
Wechselmedien: Nein
Absteckbares Laufwerk: Nein
BSD-Name: disk0
Medienart: Solid State
TRIM-Unterstützung: Ja
Partitionstabellentyp: GPT (GUID-Partitionstabelle)
S.M.A.R.T.-Status: Überprüft​

(Yes, it's in German. "TRIM Unterstützung" means "TRIM support", "Ja" means "Yes".)
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The unanswered question, is whether Apple will close this door and break compatibility in a coming update to OS X.

Seems easy enough for them to change their detection routines, and disable TRIM deliberately. They've done similar things with prior OS X revisions back in the PowerPC days to break compatibility with 3rd party upgrades like RAM, etc.

And, even in iOS, with each update, new 3rd party cables are added to the list of broken compatibility (ones that worked fine just before the update).
 
So are we at the point where it no longer makes sense to install an SSD in a Yosemite Mini? I picked up a 2012 I7 a couple of weeks ago and already threw 16 gb of memory. My plan was to replace the 1 TB spinner with an SSD over the next couple of months. Now I'm kicking myself for not picking one up with the sSD already installed from Apple - there have been a few pop up on the refurb site.... This is really quite frustrating.
 
flyinmac said:
The unanswered question, is whether Apple will close this door and break compatibility in a coming update to OS X.

Seems easy enough for them to change their detection routines, and disable TRIM deliberately. They've done similar things with prior OS X revisions back in the PowerPC days to break compatibility with 3rd party upgrades like RAM, etc.

And, even in iOS, with each update, new 3rd party cables are added to the list of broken compatibility (ones that worked fine just before the update).
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I don't know if there is much they can do. There is only so much the sata spec allows in terms of identifying a hd, and it seems this drive identifies itself as an apple drive.

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Zyaama said:
I installed the Angelwire SSD yesterday. Used a bundle from Hardwrk (http://hardwrk.com/macbook-ssd-hdd-adapter-bundle.html), and installed in combination with a 1 TB hard drive as a Fusion Drive.

The system recognizes the SSD as an "APPLE SSD A29ACXBA8TA", TRIM is enabled without me doing anything at all. Sorry, I can't seem to post pictures yet, but system report says:

APPLE SSD A29ACXBA8TA:

Kapazität: 256,06 GB (256.060.514.304 Byte)
Modell: APPLE SSD A29ACXBA8TA
Version: N1007C
Seriennummer: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Native Command Queuing: Ja
Queue Depth: 32
Wechselmedien: Nein
Absteckbares Laufwerk: Nein
BSD-Name: disk0
Medienart: Solid State
TRIM-Unterstützung: Ja
Partitionstabellentyp: GPT (GUID-Partitionstabelle)
S.M.A.R.T.-Status: Überprüft​

(Yes, it's in German. "TRIM Unterstützung" means "TRIM support", "Ja" means "Yes".)
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Thanks!
 
Best bet is to look for Apple OEM SSDs on ebay. See my old thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1676560/.

For Macminis and Macbook Pros I would recommend the SM512E - It's the same 2.5" SSD that came with the 2012 BTO Mac mini's and Macbook Pros with the SSD option. They are the equivalent of the Samsung 830 Pro (SATA 3), but with the custom apple firmware.
 
lordboogie said:
Best bet is to look for Apple OEM SSDs on ebay. See my old thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1676560/.

For Macminis and Macbook Pros I would recommend the SM512E - It's the same 2.5" SSD that came with the 2012 BTO Mac mini's and Macbook Pros with the SSD option. They are the equivalent of the Samsung 830 Pro (SATA 3), but with the custom apple firmware.
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Is the speed of newer SSDs compared to the OEM Apple SSD not going to negate any benefit you'll see from having native TRIM support though?
 
jamesthegator said:
So are we at the point where it no longer makes sense to install an SSD in a Yosemite Mini? I picked up a 2012 I7 a couple of weeks ago and already threw 16 gb of memory. My plan was to replace the 1 TB spinner with an SSD over the next couple of months. Now I'm kicking myself for not picking one up with the sSD already installed from Apple - there have been a few pop up on the refurb site.... This is really quite frustrating.
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Apologies for the noob question - not been following this properly at all: Is Trim under Yosemite impossible in its entirety - or possible *provided* you are prepared to follow the Trim Enabler workaround, and disable kext signing?
 
flyinmac said:
The unanswered question, is whether Apple will close this door and break compatibility in a coming update to OS X.
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Well, that could always happen. But in that case I have a SSD that was sold to me with the promise of being recognized as an Apple SSD, and a 5 year warranty. So, I'm not too worried. (Angelbird is a small Austrian company and may be pretty unknown in the US, but they've been around a few years.)

In other news: The addition of the SSD actually made my 2011 MBP feel new again. Keynote, Pages and iTunes open in less than two seconds.
 
Cassady said:
Apologies for the noob question - not been following this properly at all: Is Trim under Yosemite impossible in its entirety - or possible *provided* you are prepared to follow the Trim Enabler workaround, and disable kext signing?
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The latter.
 
Cassady said:
Apologies for the noob question - not been following this properly at all: Is Trim under Yosemite impossible in its entirety - or possible *provided* you are prepared to follow the Trim Enabler workaround, and disable kext signing?
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Re-read the earlier posts in this thread. The short answer - it's totally possible and easy under Yosemite, but keep a printout of those terminal instructions linked above handy because the odds of a boot failure caused by this went from 0% to ~1%.
 
Ah... My mid 2011 with a crucial SSD just got the Stop Sign the other day... I just used Time Machine to restore and it is back up and running again with TRIM enabler. Wonder how my PRAM got resetted though...
What happened was when I tried to turn on the Apple display my Mac mini was frozen after the restart I got the stop sign
 
Knowing me id forget to turnoff trim and reenable Kext signing before doing a system update.
 
lordboogie said:
Best bet is to look for Apple OEM SSDs on ebay. See my old thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1676560/.

For Macminis and Macbook Pros I would recommend the SM512E - It's the same 2.5" SSD that came with the 2012 BTO Mac mini's and Macbook Pros with the SSD option. They are the equivalent of the Samsung 830 Pro (SATA 3), but with the custom apple firmware.
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Can you grab any Apple SSD? I see them all over for the laptops but the desktops units seem scarce. MBA and rMBA seem to be prevalent. TIA
 
so what happens if someone sees an ssd on an enclosure connected in a USB 3 on a mac?
does this trim enabler apply as well?
 
Weaselboy said:
TRIM won't work over USB at all.
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I didn't know that. Interesting.

So what about Thunderbolt? I was thinking of getting a SSD and the Seagate adapter and using that as my boot drive. Would I be able to enable trim on that or have TRIM work if I got one of these Angelwire drives?
 
dvdchance said:
I didn't know that. Interesting.

So what about Thunderbolt? I was thinking of getting a SSD and the Seagate adapter and using that as my boot drive. Would I be able to enable trim on that or have TRIM work if I got one of these Angelwire drives?
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Yes it will work over Thunderbolt.
 
again to my previous question
i am thinking to get apple's SSD pf my mac mini replace it with a larger one and get that ssd on an external enclosure and use it through USB3 mainly as storing some files and connecting it to my macbook pro retina

would that need to get trim or it is not necessary ??
 
I do not think TRIM is absolutely necessary. I am using an 840 Pro in my Mac Pro without TRIM. I had a Crucial M4 before that. I have never had any issues or severe slow downs.
 
GreenApple29 said:
again to my previous question
i am thinking to get apple's SSD pf my mac mini replace it with a larger one and get that ssd on an external enclosure and use it through USB3 mainly as storing some files and connecting it to my macbook pro retina

would that need to get trim or it is not necessary ??
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It is ideal to always run TRIM on flash storage. But in your case, it will not work over USB, so there is no way to make that happen.

Just using the drive for occasional file storage, not having TRIM is not likely to be much if an issue anyway. Where you really need TRIM is when there are a lot of writes to the drive.
 
Weaselboy said:
It is ideal to always run TRIM on flash storage. But in your case, it will not work over USB, so there is no way to make that happen.

Just using the drive for occasional file storage, not having TRIM is not likely to be much if an issue anyway. Where you really need TRIM is when there are a lot of writes to the drive.
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another possible alternative set up will be to use the original apple ssd that came with my mac mini as the initial drive and get the samsung 500 evo on second bay for iPhoto and iTunes and the files there
this is option 2
option 1 is to use the big third party ssd for os x yosemite
and the original ssd from apple as an external drive via usb
 
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