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richard371

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My Intel X on ATT has better reception and holds LTE better then my QUALCOMM iPhone 7 plus here in SF.
[doublepost=1510163812][/doublepost]A lot could have to do with location. My Intel X has better reception then both the iPhone 7 plus Intel and QUALCOMM I had for about 6 months each here in SF.

I don't know if its worth jumping through hoops to swap out for the Qualcomm is it may be better or worse for me here in SF. So far I'm pretty happy with the reception of the ATT version compared to any previous iPhone ive had.

I'm almost tempted to buy the Verizon out right and compare the 2 and return the lesser of 2 evils. But if I go through the pain of trying to get a Verizon and then restoring everything and find it’s a little better then I have to deal with returning the ATT version that’s on the Apple up program and pay almost 1500 for the Verizon + applecare at once. I’m glad Apple is going to dump Qualcom and most likely stick with 1 chip for their iPhone going forward. What a hassle.


I seem to hear this a lot, that AT&T users generally have better luck with the Qualcomm version over the Intel version. I am curious if there are possibly carrier file differences that cause these issues to present themselves, since my experience with T-Mobile service has been the exact opposite.
 
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OcramSagev

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I seem to hear this a lot, that AT&T users generally have better luck with the Qualcomm version over the Intel version. I am curious if there are possibly carrier file differences that cause these issues to present themselves, since my experience with T-Mobile service has been the exact opposite.
How many LTE bars do you have? Does it go to 4G when you make a phone call?
 

dave006

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Color me crazy... but I want to open a Verizon account for one month just to use the Apple iPhone upgrade program to order a phone. I'm currently on Tmobile and I can join the IUP only in person at an Apple store and only if the phone is in stock. Talk about some stupidtry...

So my only recourse is to get an account on Verizon for a month and attempt to join the IUP online. Does anyone see a flaw in my plan? The Verizon phone will come unlocked and I only have to insert my Tmobile SIM before turning on the phone.
Yea your plan will not work. As part of the IUP, you agree to keep service with the selected provider. If you break the terms of the IUP, the full balance is due!

For example if you start with Verizon on the IUP and want to switch to T-Mobile, you have to return your Verizon iPhone and get a T-Mobile version to continue the IUP. Read the Terms and Conditions!

Dave
 

OcramSagev

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dave006: What you said is 100% not true.

For IUP you need a post-paid account, it doesn't even need to be yours if a family member gives you the passwords of their postpaid account.

Last year I bought the 7+ via IUP (AT&T). At the time I had a post-paid account, i got the phone and a month later I closed the account. This year I bought my iPhone X using my brothers Verizon account and I intend to use it with AT&T (Ask StarFyre here why). I already received the return kit my phone arrives Friday.

The only time you have a commitment with a carrier is if you purchase the device from them or from a retailer that sells on their behalf (Best Buy for example).

IUP is like buying the iPhone in full with a Citizen's bank "credit card"



https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/activating-verizon-x-on-at-t.2082465/
 

dave006

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No it is true. I never said it had to be yours or even in your name. Apple will even help you switch for example: if you have T-Mobile service and want to move to Verizon. Just go to Apple and they will take your T-Mobile iPhone and provide you with a Verizon iPhone.

It just needs to meet the IUP requirements as listed in the General Terms:

General
  1. Credit check required. The iPhone Upgrade Program is available to qualified end-user customers only.
  2. Must be at least 18 years old (or the legal age of majority in your jurisdiction of residence) to enroll in the iPhone Upgrade Program.
  3. An eligible iPhone that is an iPhone that is designated for inclusion in the iPhone Upgrade Program by Apple.
  4. An eligible carrier is a wireless carrier that is designated for inclusion in the iPhone Upgrade Program by Apple.
  5. The iPhone Upgrade Program cannot be combined with any other promotions, discounts, or offers (“Offers”), unless specifically provided for in the Offers’ terms and conditions.
See Item #4 above.

Dave
 

OcramSagev

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No it is true. I never said it had to be yours or even in your name. Apple will even help you switch for example: if you have T-Mobile service and want to move to Verizon. Just go to Apple and they will take your T-Mobile iPhone and provide you with a Verizon iPhone.

It just needs to meet the IUP requirements as listed in the General Terms:

General
  1. Credit check required. The iPhone Upgrade Program is available to qualified end-user customers only.
  2. Must be at least 18 years old (or the legal age of majority in your jurisdiction of residence) to enroll in the iPhone Upgrade Program.
  3. An eligible iPhone that is an iPhone that is designated for inclusion in the iPhone Upgrade Program by Apple.
  4. An eligible carrier is a wireless carrier that is designated for inclusion in the iPhone Upgrade Program by Apple.
  5. The iPhone Upgrade Program cannot be combined with any other promotions, discounts, or offers (“Offers”), unless specifically provided for in the Offers’ terms and conditions.
See Item #4 above.

Dave
Ah! (4) says you must have an eligible carrier when you sign for the IUP but you wrote "you agree to keep service with the selected provider." I didn't agree with keep but just have one when you sign up for the program.
You also said "you have to return your Verizon iPhone and ..to continue in the IUP" You can switch from AT&T to T-mobile with the same phone. I didn't know IUP gave you the benefit of a phone swap if you went to a CDMA carrier, that 's pretty cool. But neither of these actions is a requirement to stay in the IUP.
So where I disagreed is with "must", "keep" "must return when switching in order to stay" .. did I read your post correctly?
 

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dave006: What you said is 100% not true.

For IUP you need a post-paid account, it doesn't even need to be yours if a family member gives you the passwords of their postpaid account.

Last year I bought the 7+ via IUP (AT&T). At the time I had a post-paid account, i got the phone and a month later I closed the account. This year I bought my iPhone X using my brothers Verizon account and I intend to use it with AT&T (Ask StarFyre here why). I already received the return kit my phone arrives Friday.

The only time you have a commitment with a carrier is if you purchase the device from them or from a retailer that sells on their behalf (Best Buy for example).

IUP is like buying the iPhone in full with a Citizen's bank "credit card"



https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/activating-verizon-x-on-at-t.2082465/

Thanks for the heads up. I also agree with StarFyre =).
I don't really care about paying in full either, but there isn't a SIM-free version right now. To use the IUP on Tmobile there are ridiculous rules. No way am I buying a Tmobile version outright. Hell no!
 

richard371

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Are you sure if you switch from T-Mobile or att to Verizon on the apple up they will swap your phone out? So if in 3 month I move to Verizon Apple will swap me to the cdma version at no charge? I doubt that.
[doublepost=1510208543][/doublepost]Well I stand corrected. Looks like you can switch according to the Apple rules. That’s good so we’re not stuck on T-Mobile or att for the year nor do we have to worry about reselling the phones. Pretty good program if you ask me. Hopefully it’s at least a white box phone.
 
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duffman9000

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I got a Verizon X and used my T-Mobile SIM to activate it. I had to click through some worrisome messages, but I managed to setup as new. Later in the day I restored from a previous backup and the activation process was quicker without any warning messages. So i got my phone one week after launch and finding one was difficult at all.
 

Starfyre

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@solodogg @Starfyre Have either of you noticed the Verizon X getting better battery life? Reason I ask is the Qualcomm modem is built on a 14nm FinFET architecture while the Intel modem is 28nm. Due to this the Qualcomm modem is said to be 30% more power efficient. I assumed this would mean the Verizon X would get noticeably better battery life when on LTE than the Intel model. Curious to hear your guys' input on this.

I didn’t see a noticeable difference, battery life appeared to go down in the same rate, but I didn’t start the percentage at the same time on both phones. Probably needs even more extensive testing to determine.
 
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If you are on AT&T and want the best iPhone X. But it from Best Buy all the iPhone X that they sell are model A1865.
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OcramSagev

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Yesterday I tested for 3 hours (in a car) the iPhone X Q vs. Intel: There were absolutely no differences whatsoever, not even in fringe areas. Basically we used speedtest to the closest site which is located in our city. If there were any differences with the iPhone 7, I am not seeing them with the iPhone X.
 

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My Intel X and Intel 7 before it go down to “No Service” inside large buildings such as Wal-Mart, Target, and grocery stores. Never had that problem in the same buildings before the 7.

Edit: Just wanted to add that the same Wal-Mart with “No service” toward the back of the store has three bars of LTE right outside the front doors.
 

richard371

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I agree my intel x is getting better reception then both my QC and Intel iPhone 7 Plus.
My Intel X and Intel 7 before it go down to “No Service” inside large buildings such as Wal-Mart, Target, and grocery stores. Never had that problem in the same buildings before the 7.

Edit: Just wanted to add that the same Wal-Mart with “No service” toward the back of the store has three bars of LTE right outside the front doors.
 

Starfyre

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Read this article recently, good article.. I want to see more articles like this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/7bmqp4/qualcomm_iphone_x_vs_intel_iphone_x/

Notable parts of this reddit aside from "speedtests" with no reported data.. and are mainly based on some 'observations', while some of the results did not match there are a few other areas to point out:

Second, phone sound quality. This was quite a shock to me actually, and not something I had planned on testing. I spoke with a few people on the Intel phone, and was told how much better I sounded than I did with my QC iPhone 7. These were people that wouldn't normally notice a difference between me being on a cell phone vs a land line, and I didn't ask about my sound quality. In each case, I was asked how I liked my new phone, and was told that it clearly sounded better than the old one. I switched to the Qualcomm phone, called 2 of the same people back to have a conversation, and one immediately asked me if I had switched back to my old phone for some reason as the sound wasn't the same. I'm not quite sure how the modem could have any affect on HD voice or VoLTE sound quality aside from signal differences, so YMMV.

I am going to test this out myself and see if this is true, or if it is just a myth. Should also deal with the 'HD voice' worries in another post.

Uploads are CLEARLY throttled on the Qualcomm modem, within a second of the test beginning the speeds will tank for a couple of seconds before attempting to rebound. The Intel modem had both upload and download speeds that were extremely smooth in nature without any sudden jumps or dips in the speed while the test was running.

This is observation is accurate for a one server I tested, Server B. Server A and Server C did not show this kind of slowdown upfront. Even with the slowdown in the beginning however, the speed of the Qualcomm when crawled up to the maximum potential still beat out the Intel. The OP does say he tested only with a single 'closest' server, so his results may be biased towards the one server.
 
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solodogg

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The above mentioned reddit thread is one that I started...and I wanted to post my updates in here since this thread is what drove me to do all of the testing. Below are a few of the points I have learned since last night (all testing done in the same place at the same time with SIM cards from the same phone plan, all speed tests completed using T-Mobile Orlando server)...

Download Speed: Qualcomm still seems to VERY SLIGHTLY lead the pack in both low and high signal areas. The speeds come on faster, and don't fluctuate quite as much as the Intel while testing. But then again, is the difference between 152mb and 155mb worth searching for a phone over?

Upload Speed: Every single Qualcomm test results in a very elevated upload speed in the first second of testing, followed by a sharp drop down to sub 10mb speeds for the next second or two, then slowly ramping back up to full speed. Intel starts off at lower speeds than the Qualcomm, but does not experience the sharp drop in speeds after the first second. Both devices usually end up close in the end, with the Intel slightly edging out the Qualcomm. Same as before though, are we looking to split hairs with 25mb vs 27mb upload speeds?

Ping: Literally no difference between devices. Out of approx 100 speed tests run all over CFL in the last couple of days in a mix of low and high signal areas, averaging out ping times results in a 1ms difference favoring the Qualcomm modem. If you can tell a 1ms difference over 100 tests, you are better than I am :)

Battery: Still no perceivable difference between either unit. Battery draw appears to be the same, but without having a scientific way of making sure both phones are charged to the exact same level and performing the exact same functions with the exact same signal level, any differences here are going to be guesstimates more than anything.

Reception: This is a funny one, as my Intel phone consistently shows higher signal than my Qualcomm phone, except for in strong signal areas where they both show full signal. The Intel phone tends to drop from 2 bars down to 0 faster than the Qualcomm, where the Qualcomm does like to show you 1 bar in between. Driving through known dead areas resulted in both phones losing signal at the same location, and recovering within seconds of each other every time with a very slight edge to the Qualcomm.

Voice Quality: Intel has a slightly better sound quality, but almost imperceivable on the device side. Callers have noted a warmer sounding voice with the Intel phone, and slightly less background noise. I have completed multiple blind tests with people that would not normally be able to tell much difference, and in all cases the Intel phone was able to be determined. With that said, I was told that differences were minor, and had I not pointed out that I was using different phones it wouldn't have been as noticeable.

EVS: *SHRUG* T-Mobile is using EVS-WB 13.2kbps CODEC, which means barely any performance and sound quality gains above and beyond AMR-WB 13.2 that is used in all other HD Voice devices. EVS-WB is limited to 8khz bandwidth while AMR-WB is limited to 7khz. Both Intel and Qualcomm phones cut off at 7.6khz when using T-Mobile's EVS network, so any differences in sound quality as a result of EVS are going to be slight. I did note that weak signal areas that resulted in garbled audio and dropped calls with my QC 7 did not experience such issues with either the Intel X or Qualcomm X, but unsure whether this is EVS efficiencies or modem/antenna performance differences.

Hopefully this helps, but it is my opinion that searching for a Qualcomm phone just to have CDMA capabilities when you will never use it is silly this year. Until someone can perform more scientific testing, I think this is about as extensive as we are going to get. For me, I will be sticking with the Qualcomm phone simply because I do tend to swap back and forth between T-Mobile and Verizon, but otherwise I would keep the Intel simply for the new Field Test mode that allows me to see signal and carrier aggregation status.
 

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Thanks to @solodogg and others who have done testing on this!

I decided to switch from space gray to silver on Saturday and, since the store had stock, was able to get the Qualcomm model this time (my space gray had been an Intel). I figured since I was paying in full, I might as well get the version that supported all carriers. I definitely don't have any hard data to share since I did not have both units in my possession at the same time. However, I will say I have noticed the battery life is slightly better (~10% at most) on my new unit compared to my old. Whether that's related to the difference in modem manufacturers or not, I can't say.

Really, I think the only area where it might be useful to see some more tests is comparing battery life when the phone has to hunt for signal. I'm thinking areas of weak signal as well as times when the network is very congested such as during sporting events or music festivals. In those cases where the modem is constantly searching for a better signal, I have to believe the 14 nm process of the Qualcomm modem would offer power saving benefits over the 28 nm process on the Intel modem. Now, of course, these cases are not are the exception rather than the norm for most users. But then, no one is really disputing the conclusion the two modems perform about the same under normal conditions. It is only in weak signal cases that the Qualcomm modem is supposed to offer advantages over the Intel. Anyway, I think it would be interesting to see more data here.
 

OcramSagev

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How many bars did you have in fringe areas? What was your data transfer at the slowest points?
1 bar@4G (never saw 3G)
In that location, Tested 3x at the same time, distance between phones: 1ft. , AT&T
Intel 0.37/0.14, 0.33/0.12, 0.56/0.10 (107,111,107ms)
Qcomm: 0.32/0.13 , 0.49/0.03, 0.57/0.15 (96,103,108ms)

If there were any differences in the 7/7+, I do not see them in the X.

I don't agree with Starfyre's comment that the speeds are capped because during the test, we also played with the S8 (Both have Qualcomm X16). If Apple capped it, It capped it at a speed that networks dont have today). Maybe the X16 can do a gigabit and the Intel can only do 600 mbps. I've never seen speeds like neither in wifi nor via phones.

Do we need today speeds higher than 15mpbs? I'm more concerned about good latency than crazy download speeds. You only need around 30 mpbs for streaming 4K movies.

Below is the list of countries with the highest LTE speeds (on average). The highest average is below 40!
https://qz.com/915726/the-countries-with-the-worlds-fastest-mobile-internet/
 
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In that location, Tested 3x at the same time, distance between phones: 1ft. , AT&T
Intel 0.37/0.14, 0.33/0.12, 0.56/0.10 (107,111,107ms)
Qcomm: 0.32/0.13 , 0.49/0.03, 0.57/0.15 (96,103,108ms)

If there were any differences in the 7/7+, I do not see them in the X.

I don't agree with Starfyre's comment that the speeds are capped because during the test, we also played with the S8 (Both have Qualcomm X16). If Apple capped it, It capped it at a speed that networks dont have today). Maybe the X16 can do a gigabit and the Intel can only do 600 mbps. I've never seen speeds like neither in wifi nor via phones.

Do we need today speeds higher than 15mpbs? I'm more concerned about good latency than crazy download speeds. You only need around 30 mpbs for streaming 4K movies.

Below is the list of countries with the highest LTE speeds (on average). The highest average is below 40!
https://qz.com/915726/the-countries-with-the-worlds-fastest-mobile-internet/

was there any difference in battery life?
 
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