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Ah yes, the idiots from Payette Forward who make a video every year telling people to turn off almost all the features on their phones thus crippling the functionality to save an undefined amount of battery life. Great advice for almost no-one.

I’m willing to bet that (like me) you actually have literally no idea how much it costs.
Well, turning off my 14 Pro's settings I have no use for, did help. I am a light user, and so far charge my iPhone every three days, or even two days if the battery has discharged to 30-35%. I charged it 2 days ago, and right now the battery shows 68% remaining. I take such advices, regardless of whom they come from, "with a grain of salt". If turning off some settings and apps I don't need extends or delays battery power drainage, then it works for me.
 
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There's talk that they are FINALLY replacing Tim Cook. But this could make things either better or even worse. I hope the new CEO has the right prioritize and gets Apple back on track. 🤞
Why does someone need to get "Apple back on track?" Apple is $T, very successful and has been bringing great products to us. What do you dislike about Tim Cook's superb performance?
 
Ah yes, the idiots from Payette Forward who make a video every year telling people to turn off almost all the features on their phones thus crippling the functionality to save an undefined amount of battery life. Great advice for almost no-one.

I’m willing to bet that (like me) you actually have literally no idea how much it costs.

I’ve followed those, and had done more or less the same thing myself before said videos and I see zero difference in my day-to-day usage. Nothing is crippled, that I use my phone for.

Super light use myself, as well. I can get 2-3 days out of my 16 Pro between charges.
 
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Hello,

I’m starting to feel like iPhones just aren’t worth the money anymore.

I bought the iPhone 14 Pro (1TB) as soon as it launched, and went for AppleCare+ with theft and loss cover. I wanted something that would last a few years, as upgrades aren’t worth it every year, or even every couple of years, now.

In November last year, I accidentally stood on it and cracked the back. I used AppleCare+ for the repair and they replaced the battery at the same time, which I was surprised by.

11 months on though, I’ve already lost 11% battery health & iOS 26 seems to be hammering it even more. I’m regularly down to around 20% by the time I get home from work, even with Low Power Mode on. I’ve just switched on Reduced Motion to see if that helps, but haven’t had a chance to test it properly yet. That setting makes the phone feel like a budget Android from 2007 — not exactly what you expect from an almost £2k device.

It’s frustrating. I shouldn’t be thinking about replacing the battery already.

My Apple Watch Series 6 — which I also bought at launch — and my second-hand MacBook Pro (over six years old now) are still going strong. I’ve no urge to upgrade either of those because they still work to my expectations.

iOS has become increasingly buggy over the years. It’s been on the decline ever since Scott Forstall left in 2012/2013, if you ask me. Now it feels like they’re more focused on flashy features like “Apple Intelligence” just to have something new to shout about or subscription services, rather than fixing bugs and making things “just work”. I shouldn’t have to enable reduced motion to try and conserve battery life because of the buggy software update.

For the first time since I started using iPhones, I’m genuinely considering jumping ship.

Anyone else feeling the same?
iOS and Apple in general these days is buggy for sure, but I can't imagine myself switching. In fact, just switched from Spotify to Apple Music so anticipate being even more locked into the ecosystem. The bugs in the OS are a result of Apple's meteoric success-- they've honestly just grown too fast and IMHO the company has overwhelmed itself with its to-do list.

The only way I would switch is if I was guaranteed a privacy focus on another platform; a way to maintain the same ecosystem (not going to happen); and there were killer features and guaranteed quality control of bugs on another system. None of that is likely to happen for at least a few years.
 
iOS and Apple in general these days is buggy for sure, but I can't imagine myself switching. In fact, just switched from Spotify to Apple Music so anticipate being even more locked into the ecosystem. The bugs in the OS are a result of Apple's meteoric success-- they've honestly just grown too fast and IMHO the company has overwhelmed itself with its to-do list.

The only way I would switch is if I was guaranteed a privacy focus on another platform; a way to maintain the same ecosystem (not going to happen); and there were killer features and guaranteed quality control of bugs on another system. None of that is likely to happen for at least a few years.
Fortunately, Apple makes it so you don't have to switch (or be locked in). About 95 percent of the services I use on my iPhone, Macs, and iPad are third party services. Google, Dropbox, Yahoo, etc. Spotify, Pandora and others work just fine on my devices too. There are one or two Apple services I do use, but I'm not dependent on them.

Now, if Apple made it so that third party services and alternatives to their ecosystem are not allowed on their iDevices, then I'd have a problem. The non-Apple services I have chosen work cross platform. Because of that, it makes switching between iOS and Android and back again very easy. Not that I have any intent of switching off iOS right now though.
 
Fortunately, Apple makes it so you don't have to switch (or be locked in). About 95 percent of the services I use on my iPhone, Macs, and iPad are third party services. Google, Dropbox, Yahoo, etc. Spotify, Pandora and others work just fine on my devices too. There are one or two Apple services I do use, but I'm not dependent on them.

Now, if Apple made it so that third party services and alternatives to their ecosystem are not allowed on their iDevices, then I'd have a problem. The non-Apple services I have chosen work cross platform. Because of that, it makes switching between iOS and Android and back again very easy. Not that I have any intent of switching off iOS right now though.
Absolutely. I’ve had no problems using Spotify or other competing services like Dropbox on Apple devices either. I don’t see Apple getting more anti-competitive now that they are fighting certain policies in Europe.

The benefits of the ecosystem (which is open enough for many) still far outweigh the drawbacks.
 
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Hello,

I’m starting to feel like iPhones just aren’t worth the money anymore.

I bought the iPhone 14 Pro (1TB) as soon as it launched, and went for AppleCare+ with theft and loss cover. I wanted something that would last a few years, as upgrades aren’t worth it every year, or even every couple of years, now.

In November last year, I accidentally stood on it and cracked the back. I used AppleCare+ for the repair and they replaced the battery at the same time, which I was surprised by.

11 months on though, I’ve already lost 11% battery health & iOS 26 seems to be hammering it even more. I’m regularly down to around 20% by the time I get home from work, even with Low Power Mode on. I’ve just switched on Reduced Motion to see if that helps, but haven’t had a chance to test it properly yet. That setting makes the phone feel like a budget Android from 2007 — not exactly what you expect from an almost £2k device.

It’s frustrating. I shouldn’t be thinking about replacing the battery already.

My Apple Watch Series 6 — which I also bought at launch — and my second-hand MacBook Pro (over six years old now) are still going strong. I’ve no urge to upgrade either of those because they still work to my expectations.

iOS has become increasingly buggy over the years. It’s been on the decline ever since Scott Forstall left in 2012/2013, if you ask me. Now it feels like they’re more focused on flashy features like “Apple Intelligence” just to have something new to shout about or subscription services, rather than fixing bugs and making things “just work”. I shouldn’t have to enable reduced motion to try and conserve battery life because of the buggy software update.

For the first time since I started using iPhones, I’m genuinely considering jumping ship.

Anyone else feeling the same?
Yes got fed up with Apple 2.5 years ago! Bought a Pixel 7a for less than half the price of an iPhone and have no regrets. The battery still lasts up to 2 days with normal use and it does everything iPhone does with no fuss. Yes Google tries to follow you around, but you can lock that down if it bothers you.

Android 16 does everything ios does, arguably more with Google Ai and no Apple Ai. What do you use a phone for? Phoning, internet, mail, banking, airlines, travel docs, insta, tik tok or whatever? Do you really need a Ferrari, really, really? All of this stuff you can do on a 10 year old phone. Even streaming on that tiny screen works on a basic model.
And don't tell me about an Apple chip that is better than a Google chip or any other.....basically who cares about the sort of numbers they all quote!? Does the device do something useful, (and not cost a small mortgage) then great lets use it.

Recently moved to a Pixel 10 pro mainly for the cameras. Device is great especially with the generous launch trade ins, but far more complicated than it needs to be. Still have the 7a as backup.

I still have a MacAir M1 which is better than anything anyone else does and still going strong even though M5 is talked about.

Apple is now about how to keep the revenue flowing in. All the talk about M's, ios's, iphone versions etc....is just about revenue generation, so buy a device that does what you want or need, and stop worrying about Brand labels or what everyone else thinks.
 
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tbh there are no excuses for iOS26 bugs/issues. Apple are unique in that their OS will only work on their phones, aka they are in charge of both hardware and software. there should never be a situation where there's so many bugs because they by default optimise iOS for Apple hardware - totally different situation from Google whereby hardware manufacturers take the core OS and make it work on their hardware.
The current “test in production” method is the way Microsoft used to operate, it’s annoying that apple releases beta versions almost weekly that never really address the base problems.. it seems like things don’t begin to stabilize until the x.7.2 release. These forums are a great source of information and certainly steer you away from problematic releases.. IMO the testing process needs to control the release schedules..
 
I got it. If your phone is a paper weight then batteries don’t lose charge from usage and only vampire drain.
It's not a paper weight although it would work as one. The point is I want a phone to make and receive phone calls, and send and receive texts. That is all it has to do. I certainly don't need it to navigate to the grocery store. I do not want it to have any financial information at all. It's far too easy to lose or get stolen.

Apparently I'm ahead of the trend,

 
For the first time since I started using iPhones, I’m genuinely considering jumping ship.

Anyone else feeling the same?
Hard to get an Android phone that will top the Pro Max for battery life. Even the SiC battery phones with larger batteries are inefficient and supposedly age faster than traditional Li-ion batteries. If maximizing battery performance and battery lifespan is your goal, I would consider the 17 Pro Max. (Just stay away from the betas)

That said, I am on a Pixel 10 Pro as my primary phone and get through a full day of light use without ever dropping below 50%, but I am not glued to my phone all day. (And Pixels, especially the A series, do not have the best track record for batteries right now.)

I love Android for the split-screen, full Gemini integration, better notification system, more consistent and reliable UI/UX, faster animation speed, and choice of launchers/icon packs/etc.
 
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Yes got fed up with Apple 2.5 years ago! Bought a Pixel 7a for less than half the price of an iPhone and have no regrets. The battery still lasts up to 2 days with normal use and it does everything iPhone does with no fuss. Yes Google tries to follow you around, but you can lock that down if it bothers you.

Android 16 does everything ios does, arguably more with Google Ai and no Apple Ai. What do you use a phone for? Phoning, internet, mail, banking, airlines, travel docs, insta, tik tok or whatever? Do you really need a Ferrari, really, really? All of this stuff you can do on a 10 year old phone. Even streaming on that tiny screen works on a basic model.
And don't tell me about an Apple chip that is better than a Google chip or any other.....basically who cares about the sort of numbers they all quote!? Does the device do something useful, (and not cost a small mortgage) then great lets use it.

Recently moved to a Pixel 10 pro mainly for the cameras. Device is great especially with the generous launch trade ins, but far more complicated than it needs to be. Still have the 7a as backup.

I still have a MacAir M1 which is better than anything anyone else does and still going strong even though M5 is talked about.

Apple is now about how to keep the revenue flowing in. All the talk about M's, ios's, iphone versions etc....is just about revenue generation, so buy a device that does what you want or need, and stop worrying about Brand labels or what everyone else thinks.
Pixels are great. I have a 3a XL which I got in May 2020. My wife and I were on those for 9 months before deciding to switch back to iPhone. Being primarily Google in services (both of us), that made it easy to switch back and forth.

But I chose the Pixel because I wanted the 'Apple' of Android while trying Android. No bloatware, Google supported phone, etc. Still have my 3a XL and it holds up just fine on Android 12 (although it's a WiFi only device now).

My only reason for switching back to iPhone was that I realized it was iOS I liked. And to run iOS, you need an iPhone.
 
I’ve followed those, and had done more or less the same thing myself before said videos and I see zero difference in my day-to-day usage. Nothing is crippled, that I use my phone for.

Super light use myself, as well. I can get 2-3 days out of my 16 Pro between charges.
I just looked at the state of charge of my iPhone 14 pro, and it shows 46% of capacity remaining. I recharged it 3 days ago, so it seems that I may have to recharge it tonight if its battery's remaining capacity drops to perhaps 35-36%. For those who don't need or want a great number of features (bells and whistles), it only makes sense to turn their settings off.

As for me, the main reason for using an iPhone has been iOS, and OS X for Mac. But is reality iOS has increasingly become too crowded and less institutive. And yes, I will continue using Macs and iPhones, even the iPad, but I am bored of the iPad. I keep my iPad charged, but it is collecting dust on my desk. :)
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On another note: I use WhatsApp to text to friends and family members who don't use iPhones.
 
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It's not a paper weight although it would work as one. The point is I want a phone to make and receive phone calls, and send and receive texts. That is all it has to do. I certainly don't need it to navigate to the grocery store. I do not want it to have any financial information at all. It's far too easy to lose or get stolen.

Apparently I'm ahead of the trend,

I’m not a Gen Z and don’t have boundary problems with my phone. The form factor is very convenient allowing me to not get up to my computer to do a lot of things. I may not need to navigate to the grocery store, but when heading into the big city I use Apple Maps to see what’s the best route. Plus have multiple financial apps on my phone.

I’m not worried about my iPhone getting stolen, it’s fairly locked down. I was recently on vacation, my phone was my bank, my camera, my navigator and of course my communication device.

Different strokes for different folks. Not leaving anytime soon.
 
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Hello,

I’m starting to feel like iPhones just aren’t worth the money anymore.

I bought the iPhone 14 Pro (1TB) as soon as it launched, and went for AppleCare+ with theft and loss cover. I wanted something that would last a few years, as upgrades aren’t worth it every year, or even every couple of years, now.

In November last year, I accidentally stood on it and cracked the back. I used AppleCare+ for the repair and they replaced the battery at the same time, which I was surprised by.

11 months on though, I’ve already lost 11% battery health & iOS 26 seems to be hammering it even more. I’m regularly down to around 20% by the time I get home from work, even with Low Power Mode on. I’ve just switched on Reduced Motion to see if that helps, but haven’t had a chance to test it properly yet. That setting makes the phone feel like a budget Android from 2007 — not exactly what you expect from an almost £2k device.

It’s frustrating. I shouldn’t be thinking about replacing the battery already.

My Apple Watch Series 6 — which I also bought at launch — and my second-hand MacBook Pro (over six years old now) are still going strong. I’ve no urge to upgrade either of those because they still work to my expectations.

iOS has become increasingly buggy over the years. It’s been on the decline ever since Scott Forstall left in 2012/2013, if you ask me. Now it feels like they’re more focused on flashy features like “Apple Intelligence” just to have something new to shout about or subscription services, rather than fixing bugs and making things “just work”. I shouldn’t have to enable reduced motion to try and conserve battery life because of the buggy software update.

For the first time since I started using iPhones, I’m genuinely considering jumping ship.

Anyone else feeling the same?
Just wait til you see the $2,500 Foldable iPhone.
 
Hello,

I’m starting to feel like iPhones just aren’t worth the money anymore.

I bought the iPhone 14 Pro (1TB) as soon as it launched, and went for AppleCare+ with theft and loss cover. I wanted something that would last a few years, as upgrades aren’t worth it every year, or even every couple of years, now.

In November last year, I accidentally stood on it and cracked the back. I used AppleCare+ for the repair and they replaced the battery at the same time, which I was surprised by.

11 months on though, I’ve already lost 11% battery health & iOS 26 seems to be hammering it even more. I’m regularly down to around 20% by the time I get home from work, even with Low Power Mode on. I’ve just switched on Reduced Motion to see if that helps, but haven’t had a chance to test it properly yet. That setting makes the phone feel like a budget Android from 2007 — not exactly what you expect from an almost £2k device.

It’s frustrating. I shouldn’t be thinking about replacing the battery already.

My Apple Watch Series 6 — which I also bought at launch — and my second-hand MacBook Pro (over six years old now) are still going strong. I’ve no urge to upgrade either of those because they still work to my expectations.

iOS has become increasingly buggy over the years. It’s been on the decline ever since Scott Forstall left in 2012/2013, if you ask me. Now it feels like they’re more focused on flashy features like “Apple Intelligence” just to have something new to shout about or subscription services, rather than fixing bugs and making things “just work”. I shouldn’t have to enable reduced motion to try and conserve battery life because of the buggy software update.

For the first time since I started using iPhones, I’m genuinely considering jumping ship.

Anyone else feeling the same?
I would only agree because of how "not ready for release" iOS 26 is. It wouldn't be a problem if we could roll back to iOS 18. What I'm not sure about is how Planned Obsolescence is somehow shoehorned into the Apple 2030.
 
For me they’ve always been worth it, at all price points. Maybe it’s a 2000s mentality… but to buy a comparable one-trick-pony digital camera, MP3 player, satellite navigation unit, PDAs (remember those), some sort of physical digital key keeper, half decent dumb-mobile phone… especially ones with the same sort of screen quality and fit and finish, and you’re easily up at around a grand. Only more so on the value if you use a 16e as the example for that. Not having to carry all those chargers and memory cards and syncing / updating them all alone make it worth it if you remember those days.

re: Samsung and others… they equally produce phones more than once a year, software experience is largely also the same with small exceptions and new features, same with iOS / iPhone really. Even then you’re lucky to get anything meaningful or that will survive more than 3 years before they remove it for being ‘not used enough by users’. so is it really better for enthusiasts or tech fans seeking out the niche features if they’re short lived?
 
For me they’ve always been worth it, at all price points. Maybe it’s a 2000s mentality… but to buy a comparable one-trick-pony digital camera, MP3 player, satellite navigation unit, PDAs (remember those), some sort of physical digital key keeper, half decent dumb-mobile phone… especially ones with the same sort of screen quality and fit and finish, and you’re easily up at around a grand. Only more so on the value if you use a 16e as the example for that. Not having to carry all those chargers and memory cards and syncing / updating them all alone make it worth it if you remember those days.

re: Samsung and others… they equally produce phones more than once a year, software experience is largely also the same with small exceptions and new features, same with iOS / iPhone really. Even then you’re lucky to get anything meaningful or that will survive more than 3 years before they remove it for being ‘not used enough by users’. so is it really better for enthusiasts or tech fans seeking out the niche features if they’re short lived?
Love this response in relation to carrying a phone, keys, wallet, camera etc-I remember having 4 pockets and all of them being filled-imagine my old Olympus C150 camera bulging out of one pocket, a Nokia 3310 in the other, a wallet in a back pocket, and the final pocket, 4 sets of keys. Now its a phone and keys. Lovely!

I'd agree, it's worth it for that convenience alone! 😂
 
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Hello,

I’m starting to feel like iPhones just aren’t worth the money anymore.

I bought the iPhone 14 Pro (1TB) as soon as it launched, and went for AppleCare+ with theft and loss cover. I wanted something that would last a few years, as upgrades aren’t worth it every year, or even every couple of years, now.

In November last year, I accidentally stood on it and cracked the back. I used AppleCare+ for the repair and they replaced the battery at the same time, which I was surprised by.

11 months on though, I’ve already lost 11% battery health & iOS 26 seems to be hammering it even more. I’m regularly down to around 20% by the time I get home from work, even with Low Power Mode on. I’ve just switched on Reduced Motion to see if that helps, but haven’t had a chance to test it properly yet. That setting makes the phone feel like a budget Android from 2007 — not exactly what you expect from an almost £2k device.

It’s frustrating. I shouldn’t be thinking about replacing the battery already.

My Apple Watch Series 6 — which I also bought at launch — and my second-hand MacBook Pro (over six years old now) are still going strong. I’ve no urge to upgrade either of those because they still work to my expectations.

iOS has become increasingly buggy over the years. It’s been on the decline ever since Scott Forstall left in 2012/2013, if you ask me. Now it feels like they’re more focused on flashy features like “Apple Intelligence” just to have something new to shout about or subscription services, rather than fixing bugs and making things “just work”. I shouldn’t have to enable reduced motion to try and conserve battery life because of the buggy software update.

For the first time since I started using iPhones, I’m genuinely considering jumping ship.

Anyone else feeling the same?
Nope. I remain thrilled. Since the v1 iPhone. Given iPhone sales [despite the high price] i would say most of the world disagrees with you and instead agrees with me.
 
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Why does someone need to get "Apple back on track?" Apple is $T, very successful and has been bringing great products to us. What do you dislike about Tim Cook's superb performance?
Not sure if you are bing sarcastic, but AI has been a ******** and a complete PR disaster. He's been good but in this modern age they do need new person to lead the charge. Tim is more focused on stock buy-backs than funding the project of the scale needed for AI.

If they don't make changes they risk losing their edge and converging closer and closer to your average (Chinese) tech company where it's all show and nice looking numbers but not the substance. And actually thinking about this more, we are seeing that even with their phones to an extent... The current Pros have never been closer to your typical Android device in how they were designed, built and marketed. You would think that at least this new vapour chamber is gonna be "done the Apple way" to make it perfect. But no, even in extreme loads the purpose of that is measurably negligible 🤷
 
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Not sure if you are bing sarcastic, but AI has been a ******** and a complete PR disaster. He's been good but in this modern age they do need new person to lead the charge. Tim is more focused on stock buy-backs than funding the project of the scale needed for AI.

If they don't make changes they risk losing their edge and converging closer and closer to your average (Chinese) tech company where it's all show and nice looking numbers but not the substance. And actually thinking about this more, we are seeing that even with their phones to an extent... The current Pros have never been closer to your typical Android device in how they were designed, built and marketed. You would think that at least this new vapour chamber is gonna be "done the Apple way" to make it perfect. But no, even in extreme loads the purpose of that is measurably negligible 🤷
No I was not being sarcastic. Sure Apple's operation is imperfect, and anyone can cherry pick specific items they personally do not like. But you are denigrating the whole entity, and to do that you need to look at the whole, and compare against similar whole entities (to the extent that any may exist).

Some bad PR is not a bad entity and bad CEO, it is just some bad PR <yawn>, it happens. AI is in its infancy, and Apple's long term plan for using AI can not yet even remotely somehow be called wrong. Apple is a very solid firm, well run.
 
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Love this response in relation to carrying a phone, keys, wallet, camera etc-I remember having 4 pockets and all of them being filled-imagine my old Olympus C150 camera bulging out of one pocket, a Nokia 3310 in the other, a wallet in a back pocket, and the final pocket, 4 sets of keys. Now its a phone and keys. Lovely!

I'd agree, it's worth it for that convenience alone! 😂
I have been known in the past to show up at Starbucks with two 17" PowerBook G4s in one bag. And then to use both while drinking my coffee. I will often carry my primary phone AND my backup phone.

Currently, I still use four pockets filled with phones, wallet, small notepad, knife and pen and a personal token my son gave me - with keys and pocket watch attached to belt loops. But I have never traveled light, it's just not me. Even when trying to be minimalist I am disqualified.
 
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First iPhone and the only thing I’m disappointed about it, my gosh the keyboard is terrible.. almost enough to switch back.. it is that bad.. I don’t get how you guys put up with this crap. Swiping is never right and spell check is a joke compared to Android. It is incredibly frustrating, I’m so used to flying on the keyboard but even just the way it works.. it is always deleting words and making everything hard. I hate the iOS keyboard.
 
No I was not being sarcastic. Sure Apple's operation is imperfect, and anyone can cherry pick specific items they personally do not like. But you are denigrating the whole entity, and to do that you need to look at the whole, and compare against similar whole entities (to the extent that any may exist).

Some bad PR is not a bad entity and bad CEO, it is just some bad PR <yawn>, it happens. AI is in its infancy, and Apple's long term plan for using AI can not yet even remotely somehow be called wrong. Apple is a very solid firm, well run.
I think successful and back on track are two separate things. Back on track for consumer satisfaction. There's no doubt that they're not feeling pressure because their stock prices are still great but if they continue to get past up by other brands when people continue to get fed up, it could hurt the success. In this case, it would be very slow cause and effect.
 
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