Steve Jobs: "Adobe is lazy"

[MBX]

Steve Jobs: http://www.9to5mac.com/steve jobs-google-dont-be-evil-42382438

In the meanwhile from John Nack: http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/04/great_video_customer_testimonial_for_cs5.html

"So, Lightroom led the way among 64-bit Mac apps (beating Aperture to 64-bit by nearly two years), and Adobe has now converted three major Mac apps--After Effects, Premiere Pro, and Photoshop--from Carbon to Cocoa 64. Meanwhile Final Cut Pro 64 and the rest of the FCP suite remain missing in action. Maybe--just maybe--we can now put that "lazy" talk to rest."

So, who's really lazy?

 

[miles01110]

This entire episode resembles a high-school grudge match more and more every day.

 

[maflynn]

So, who's really lazy?

Adobe.

Look how long it took them to convert to OSX, or cocoa, or how long its taken them to fix flash - oh wait they haven't fixed flash.

 

[belvdr]

oh wait they haven't fixed flash.

I'm still trying to figure out what's broken in Flash. My daughter visits starfall.com regularly which is all Flash (I believe) and I never see any issue. Note that I don't hang out on YouTube for 6 hours a day either.

 

[kdarling]

Adobe didn't invent Flash. They bought it along with Macromedia a few years back. Good to see them at least trying to optimize it for today's mobile devices. At least all the other OS providers are helping.

When we hear that Apple has dedicated an engineer or two to Adobe to help them make Flash run nicely on their platforms... and nothing comes of it... THEN Apple can claim "laziness".

Otherwise, Apple's a major part of their own problem, and should point fingers at themselves first.

 

[jaw04005]

Adobe.

Look how long it took them to convert to OSX, or cocoa, or how long its taken them to fix flash - oh wait they haven't fixed flash.

Or maybe even more importantly to start using Apple’s actual frameworks for Mac OS X like Core Image, Animation, Audio, etc.

AFAIK, it took them to CS4 to start using Image and it’s been around since 10.4. Even now, they don’t take advantage of it as much as a Mac OS X-only app would because it’s not cross-platform.

That’s the problem with Adobe and probably the root of Jobs’ anger towards them. They seem to be willing to compromise their Mac applications for the sake of cross-platform uniformity.

Even though the Mac base, by their own admission, makes up 50 percent of their Photoshop user base. Yet, they don’t seem to treat the Windows base like that.

That hasn’t always been the case. Adobe was one of the first to line-up support for the rebirth of Apple, the introduction of OS X, the G5 processor, the switch to Intel processors, etc. But that all changed right around the time they switched CEOs. What’s ironic is the Mac base now is bigger than it has ever been.

 

[Winni]

The problem with Apple is that they change their platform every few years. They are an inconsistent moving target, and they don't even manage to keep their own so-called "Pro" applications up to date with their own technology.

Also, Apple is not nearly as important in the professional league as they pretend to be. When you look at agencies all over Europe, the reality is that everybody has moved to using Windows years ago. Microsoft and the PC platform simply provide more bang for the buck.

Sure, Apple is that big boy in the mp3 player market. But again, mostly in the United States. You don't see that many white earplugs in Europe either.

Especially in Germany, Apple has a tough battle to fight. Customers here care a lot more for the latest technologies at the lowest possible price, and they do not care that much for designer computer cases (we rather spend more money on cars with nice designs).

From a global perspective, it's almost a miracle that Adobe still cares for the Mac market at all. After all, computers are not even Apple's own core competence anymore...

 

[*LTD*]

Apple's in the driver's seat. Computing for *everyone* made easy.

They get to call the shots now and developers will get in line because Apple's running the most lucrative consumer tech biz in the industry. It's just that simple.

The problem with Apple is that they change their platform every few years. They are an inconsistent moving target, and they don't even manage to keep their own so-called "Pro" applications up to date with their own technology.

Also, Apple is not nearly as important in the professional league as they pretend to be. When you look at agencies all over Europe, the reality is that everybody has moved to using Windows years ago. Microsoft and the PC platform simply provide more bang for the buck.

Sure, Apple is that big boy in the mp3 player market. But again, mostly in the United States. You don't see that many white earplugs in Europe either.

Especially in Germany, Apple has a tough battle to fight. Customers here care a lot more for the latest technologies at the lowest possible price, and they do not care that much for designer computer cases (we rather spend more money on cars with nice designs).

From a global perspective, it's almost a miracle that Adobe still cares for the Mac market at all. After all, computers are not even Apple's own core competence anymore...

I find it amazing that the better Apple is doing, and the more clear they make their position in the industry (with everyone going along quite happily), the more desperate your trolling becomes.

 

[decksnap]

Steve Jobs: http://www.9to5mac.com/steve jobs-google-dont-be-evil-42382438

In the meanwhile from John Nack: http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/04/great_video_customer_testimonial_for_cs5.html

"So, Lightroom led the way among 64-bit Mac apps (beating Aperture to 64-bit by nearly two years), and Adobe has now converted three major Mac apps--After Effects, Premiere Pro, and Photoshop--from Carbon to Cocoa 64. Meanwhile Final Cut Pro 64 and the rest of the FCP suite remain missing in action. Maybe--just maybe--we can now put that "lazy" talk to rest."

So, who's really lazy?

Adobe is lazy. They don't spend any time fixing the bugs in the programs they write - they just put their resources into making new versions that you have to pay for. The biggest 'feature' of any adobe release is the hope that the new version isn't as flaky as the old. We shouldn't have to pay for that.

And they've been serving Mac users the same sub-standard version of flash for close to a decade.

 

[roadbloc]

Is Adobe lazy? Probably.
But by boycotting Adobe, Apple run a very high risk. If they don't what to be in the professional/creative market anymore, why don't they just say so? Why crash and burn like this when you can just slowly stop?

Steve thinks Adobe is lazy.
I think Steve is a fool. This whole Apple product's 'just work' and like to 'play nice with others' is just BS. I am beginning to dislike Apple a lot.

 

[clevin]

yeah, I hope lazya$$ adobe stop all mac products now. i mean now! or apple should reject all lazya$$ adobe softwares on macs, i mean NOW.

what a joke.

 

[*LTD*]

Is Adobe lazy? Probably.
But by boycotting Adobe, Apple run a very high risk. If they don't what to be in the professional/creative market anymore, why don't they just say so? Why commit suicide like this when you can just slowly stop?

The Pro market no longer drives Mac sales. Everyday consumers (who can afford it) are buying Macs. Pros aren't handing Apple record Mac sales. Regular consumers are.

If Adobe pulls out of Mac development, life will go on, and Apple will very likely keep posting record Mac sales. By the time anyone will notice that the current version of Photoshop (or whatever Adobe bloatware we *really* need to use on a Mac) is the last version Adobe will ever make, Apple will have moved some of their $40 billion and come up with a competing suite of their own (of they don't have one ready in the wings) using the astounding developer base they now enjoy. They've already answered Lightroom with Aperture and have done a beautiful job with it.

Apple doesn't need Adobe because this isn't 1993. Consumers drive Mac sales and Apple has $40 billion to play with. Adobe is just a bug on the Apple windshield these days.

 

[clevin]

The Pro market no longer drives Mac sales. Everyday consumers (who can afford it) are buying Macs. Pros aren't handing Apple record Mac sales. Regular consumers are.

If Adobe pulls out of Mac development, life will go on, and Apple will very likely keep posting record Mac sales. By the time anyone will notice that the current version of Photoshop (or whatever Adobe bloatware we *really* need to use on a Mac) is the last version Adobe will ever make, Apple will have moved some of their $40 billion and come up with a competing suite of their own (of they don't have one ready in the wings) using the astounding developer base they now enjoy. They've already answered Lightroom with Aperture and have done a beautiful job with it.

Apple doesn't need Adobe because this isn't 1993. Consumers drive Mac sales and Apple has $40 billion to play with. Adobe is just a bug on the Apple windshield these days.

glad you agrees, lets do it, adobe! feel free to sacrifice your mac users, since they are not grateful enough to support you in this important fight anyway, and stop all sales and supports right now. would be a great move.

 

[*LTD*]

glad you agrees, lets do it, adobe!

Totally. I would *love* to see Adobe pull out, simply because Apple's response will be decisive and proactive. It'll be a potentially huge moment for Apple and its pool of developers to really step forward and shine.

 

[jaw04005]

Is Adobe lazy? Probably.
But by boycotting Adobe, Apple run a very high risk. If they don't what to be in the professional/creative market anymore, why don't they just say so? Why crash and burn like this when you can just slowly stop?

Can we spare the drama?

Last time I checked, Adobe is releasing more professional Mac products and Apple is selling more professional Mac hardware now than they ever have in the past.

Hell, Adobe even released a really cool iPad app just this month called Adobe Ideas.

This is a mobile platform play and nothing more. If you think there’s some all out war between Apple and Adobe, you’re easily fooled by the tech rumor-mill/blogosphere.

 

[Stella]

The whole saga reminds me of a school yard.

Apple and Adobe both acting like 6 year olds.

 

[*LTD*]

Anyhow, regardless, Adobe is certainly not going to pull their products for Mac.

 

[roadbloc]

The Pro market no longer drives Mac sales. Everyday consumers (who can afford it) are buying Macs. Pros aren't handing Apple record Mac sales. Regular consumers are.

If Adobe pulls out of Mac development, life will go on, and Apple will very likely keep posting record Mac sales. By the time anyone will notice that the current version of Photoshop (or whatever Adobe bloatware we *really* need to use on a Mac) is the last version Adobe will ever make, Apple will have moved some of their $40 billion and come up with a competing suite of their own (of they don't have one ready in the wings) using the astounding developer base they now enjoy. They've already answered Lightroom with Aperture and have done a beautiful job with it.

Apple doesn't need Adobe because this isn't 1993. Consumers drive Mac sales and Apple has $40 billion to play with. Adobe is just a bug on the Apple windshield these days.

Apple will only be isolating themselves more.

I work in several studio's as a producer, and I am not surprised to see that there has been a slow and steady increase of PC's in them, because Mac's are just not worth the price. PC's are cheaper and Windows 7 is much more productive and compatible than Snow Leopard and even Leopard. Microsoft have caught up with Apple in the terms of Audio technology, because Apple have been ass ****ing around with their silly i<device>'s. And it is Apple who are loosing out on what was once their amazing market.

Grow a pair Adobe, and leave Apple. We'll soon see how many people will move back to Windows. Apple, the once media production king, will soon be on the same level as any other technology company.

 

[*LTD*]

Apple will only be isolating themselves more.

Apple is actually expanding.

 

[clevin]

Apple is actually expanding.

u mean cash on hand?

 

[*LTD*]

u mean cash on hand?

iPad.

Macs+iPod Touch+iPhone+iPad+the most comprehensive software ecosystem.

Apple is growing its presence in the consumer segment at an unprecedented rate. It relegates Adobe to merely one developer among many.

 

[MBX]

Just in, "Adobe to sue Apple?": http://www.itworld.com/legal/104320/adobe-vs-apple-going-get-uglier

 

[*LTD*]

Just in, "Adobe to sue Apple?": http://www.itworld.com/legal/104320/adobe-vs-apple-going-get-uglier

It's on the front page.

 

[clevin]

iPad.

Macs+iPod Touch+iPhone+iPad+the most comprehensive software ecosystem.

Apple is growing its presence in the consumer segment at an unprecedented rate. It relegates Adobe to merely one developer among many.

mmm. of course nobody is saying apple is isolating itself from general users, more like isolating from developers.

and people is saying isolating developers will eventually lead to lesser products.

plus, what is a software ecosystem? what is comprehensive? I dont think those are clear terms and clarify whatever you were trying to say. You sure are not saying there are more softwares written for apple's platform than for microsoft's, are you?

 

[roadbloc]

Macs+iPod Touch+iPhone+iPad+the most comprehensive software ecosystem.

With only Apple software for they will have upset all their developers by accusing them of writing sloppy code, or just simply doing everything possible to ban their software on their systems. Good software ecosystem.

Cheers Apple.