hence why you can't reason with the all-things-apple-obsessed who wouldn't know objectivity if it him them in the face
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hence why you can't reason with the all-things-apple-obsessed who wouldn't know objectivity if it him them in the face
Only because he has a nagging wife who thought it would improve his public image. Left to his own decisions he almost certainly wouldn't have bothered.
Besides which, as the old saying goes, "charity begins at home". If he (and 99% of other companies / management) was such a greatly charitable person, then he wouldn't be charging so much for his garbage software in order to such make obscene profits for his company and management staff. Instead of selling Windows for $200, he'd sell it for $20 ... and what an awful mess the world would be in then with more people using it.
I don't think many people are denying that. I see more "Bill Gates is evil" posts. Not many "good for Jobs, congrats", etc.
"Bill Gates sucks...... He didn't do anything... blah blah blah"
At the end of the day, he's worth $50,000,000,000 - and you're not.
At the end of the day, he's worth $50,000,000,000 - and you're not.
Irrespective of how or why he's come about to set up the Bill and Melinda Gate's foundation it's a wonderful institution that's to the boon of scientific understanding and ultimately humanity. Don't let your personal choice of computer software could your objectivity.
TBH though, with something as essential as a GUI, its hard not to copy. Thats why most GUIs looks similar because its hard to do something different thats usable.
"Bill Gates sucks...... He didn't do anything... blah blah blah"
At the end of the day, he's worth $50,000,000,000 - and you're not.
The problem with things like these is that they're always in the eye of the beholder.
Yes. It includes 99% of companise because they cahrge far too much for their products, mostly to pay obscene salaries and bonuses to greedy management-types. If these people earned sensible salaries, then products could cost A LOT less. Every time one of theses greedy people ups their salary it starts a vicious cycle that causes everyone else to have to increase their prices ... it's called "inflation", but is reall a "greed-go-around".
And yes, I do run my own business, and no I don't charge over-inflated prices.
At the end of the day, he's worth $50,000,000,000 - and you're not.
I wouldn't want to be. I'm happy earning a sensible amount. Unlike most of the planet I'm not greedy or obsessed with new toys I don't need.
Yes. It includes 99% of companise because they cahrge far too much for their products, mostly to pay obscene salaries and bonuses to greedy management-types. If these people earned sensible salaries, then products could cost A LOT less. Every time one of theses greedy people ups their salary it starts a vicious cycle that causes everyone else to have to increase their prices ... it's called "inflation", but is reall a "greed-go-around".
And yes, I do run my own business, and no I don't charge over-inflated prices.
Good
I'm glad to hear not everyone on this forum is thinking that Apple and SJ can do no wrong.Good
Since he only earns $1 a year, Steve Jobs may not count (although he does of course get money from the shares, "bonus" jet, etc.) ... but all the other greedy management types at Apple do with their obscene salaries.
It's not irrespective at all.
Some people are trying to say Bill Gates is some sort of a good guy because he set-up a foundation and gives away money ... in reality his wife told him to do that, it wasn't his idea at all and without her it wouldn't have even occurred to him. The foundation is largely to polish Gates' badly tarnished public image and no doubt reduce taxes. Helping people is simply a side-affect.
I'm not a big Bill Gates fan, but that just sounds ignorant. I don't think you, or me, or anyone else on the forum knows enough about him or his motives to pass a judgment like that.
This thread is ridiculous.
Show some respect to both Steve and Bill. Go watch the All Things Digital interview with both of them as they have both contributed more to the personal computer and general software/hardware world than most have.
Without either of them the landscape would be significantly different.
Show some respect to both Steve and Bill. Go watch the All Things Digital interview with both of them as they have both contributed more to the personal computer and general software/hardware world than most have.
Without either of them the landscape would be significantly different.
Bill Gates is a nothing and never was. He and Microsoft have never actually designed or written a piece of software themselves. Even back in the original days they bought DOS from someone else, and have continued to buy out or steal software from other companies to this day. They sole claim to fame is being in the right place at the right time ... and we're still suffering the consequences of those bad decisions by managers who didn't have a clue.
Yet he's the richest man in the world and you're whining about him on a message forum.
Think about that for a moment.
Well, not exactly wasted away. Bob Metcalfe left Xerox twice if I remember correctly, took ethernet with him and founded 3Com.
Charles Simonyi pretty much did the same with the wysiwyg windowing developed there and moved to Microsoft where he was apparently key in developing Word and Excel.
These are just two of the many PARC alumni who didn't depend on Steve Jobs to get to market.
The Lisa team had pretty much decided on using a GUI and a mouse before the PARC visit. The capable Apple engineers who attended picked up on the nuances of the Xerox research very quickly and made a few changes. It was the coding on the fly that really impressed them.
One PARC fellow who did follow Jobs was Alan Kay, who brought the ideas of Smalltalk and Object Oriented Programming with him.
Larry Tesler and Bob Belleville went to Apple as well with some Smalltalk ideas.
The point I'm making is that talent of that caliber can't be kept back forever and they will go somewhere to get it done.
Michael A. Hiltzik, Dealers of Lightning: Xerox PARC and the Dawn of the Computer Age (HarperCollins, New York, 1999) ISBN 0-88730-989-5
Randall E. Stross, Steve Jobs & The NeXT Big Thing (Macmillan, New York, 1993) ISBN 0-689-12135-0
M. Mitchell Waldrop, The Dream Machine (Viking, New York, 2001) ISBN 0-670-89976-3
A great outsourcing example.
You do make some good points.
SJ and BG, along with PA and the Woz, created a tech ecosystem that many have benefited from hardware to software, from customer to trainer, from user to tech support. This huge industry has benefited many.
Snort! Point. Game. Match.
Let's see... $5.1 Billion at $1 per year salary... that means Steve Jobs has been working for... 5.1 Billion Years?!?!?
OMG! Steve Jobs IS GOD!!!!!!!
OMG! Steve Jobs IS GOD!!!!!!!
Touchscreen phones have existed long before the iPhone came about - they also had more features, a more open OS and are cheaper than the iPhone is now.
MP3 players also existed before the iPod, and better players than the iPod exist today.
I find it hilarious that some people in this thread consider Bill Gates as some sort of truly evil man, and Jobs is some kind of brilliant visionary. Apple aren't exactly a brilliant cuddly customer-oriented company. Gotta love overpriced hardware and ridiculous artificial lockouts. You don't see MS complaining about cooked ROMs for WM phones/PDAs, and you don't see Nokia complaining about hacked OSes for their internet tablets (they even host the hacked images for download).
My PC lets me put any PCI-E graphics card I want in - you can't do that if your Mac Pro is "too old" (which for a machine that costs many thousands of pounds, shouldn't be considered obsolete after 2 years).
They can't get their money back out again; Once it goes in the charity it stays in. The difference between this and paying taxes is that buffet and gates don't need to pay inefficient public servants to spread their wealth. The money also doesn't end up funding wars in overseas countries.
I applaud Bill Gates for using his capitalist skills to support the undeveloped nations who can use charity funds most efficiently.
I observe that most governments, when they give out foreign aid, just give it to nation's government and forget about it. But governments are inefficient... by the time it filters through to the people level it has already been eaten up by corruption and inefficiency. but gates foundation, however, stop handing out aid when the governments in question wastes it.
I appreciate this, as much as I hate windows products.
I'm not saying Steve Jobs doesn't contribute, but I pay more attention to Apple products than any secret charity work Steve Jobs has done.
Taxes make the poor poorer. Look at tobacco, alcohol and lottery ticket taxes... leaving not enough money to save up to invest in companies like Pixar...
Man that hits the nail on the head !!!
50 Billion ... that is a LOT of $$$ though. I had no idea he was worth that kind of change.
The real genius of Steve Jobs has been his ability to overcharge for products that offer style over substance and yet his customers worship him for it.
He restricts the applications you can install on your iPhone, partners with the worst service provider, and the customers are grateful.
He has the ipod focus on the interface and appearance as opposed to sound quality, and his customers are grateful.
He offers stock intel hardware in a pretty package (often at the expense of function) and his customers are grateful.
They aren't just grateful, they line up overnight to buy this stuff and defend him at all costs online and at dinner parties.
Don't get me wrong, I own two macs and think OSX is a lovely operating system. I use Logic as my DAW, own an iphone, and own an ipod. But I'm not going to sit here, drink the kool-aid and try to convince myself that I should give Steve Jobs a backrub for being so kind as to allow me to buy these products, or that they are without fault. Steve Jobs is every bit as cut throat as Bill Gates and anyone who knows anything about the history of computers and operating systems is aware of this fact.
To Apple's credit, their hardware isn't as prone to failure and their notebooks have excellent battery life given the machine's power.
Their hardware is equally prone to failure because it is the same hardware. Intel chips, intel motherboards, Nvidia/ATI graphics cards, WD/Seagate hard drives, you name it. It's all commodity crap from the same factories in China.
A Mac Pro is going to have more reliable hardware (Xeon procs, higher end mother board, etc) but the same can be said about high end workstations from HP or Dell.
Battery life really should be a lot better than it is for both Macs and PCs. My Macbook has fine battery life if I'm just surfing the web but when I'm working on music in Logic it chews up battery like you wouldn't believe.
I've heard good things about the battery life on the MacBook Pro. Personally I'd welcome a bigger/heavier laptop with twice/three times the battery life but I may be in the minority there.