If you do use older unpatched devices on the Internet, it’s a good idea to connect them to an IoT style network where each device is isolated on the network. This will help prevent unauthorized access to other devices on your network should the unpatched device be compromised. (Or any IoT device, as many are full of security flaws).
That's kind of the point here though. Older devices MAY be connected to the internet. But, at least in my case, they are not being used to browse the internet, nor for financial transactions (banking) or to transmit personal details over the internet.
It is possible to gain access to your network and therefore everything on it, if some insecure device on your network allows it - making it a moot point on what device you do your sensitive stuff.
You asserted that using unpatched Apple devices is a security risk, either on the device itself or “at risk via many other means”. I’m curious what compromises in the wild are being used on these unpatched, insecure devices.
You can turn off various parts of iCloud. Try turning off the photo library.
Aside from face value, what other reasons do you think Apple might agree with you? I can think of one…selling you a new device so you can stay updated. Tell the customer it's all about security, fear makes you buy to stay safe.As you asked for verification: Apple itself agrees with me:
Apple security releases - Apple Support
This document lists security updates and Rapid Security Responses for Apple software.support.apple.com
Vulnerable to what? People are talking about repurposing these for Netflix. Should we be throwing out our TVs that haven't gotten updates, too?
There's also a few places that will accept your stuff for free, you just have to drop them off there.
Yeah...don't most people re-sell or repurpose their apple devices? I've also never heard of anyone throwing away any Apple device that still works.
What security risks do you believe they're opening themselves up to?
I'll have to make a plan for that then, thanks!
There's a trick to it. You buy new, just not the most current device. For instance, in 2021 I got the 11 Pro Max new. That's when the 12PM was current and the 13PM was on the way.
Nice! Same complex as Jewell's Bakery. Can't remember the name. Might be Thomas, now that I think about it. But definitely right next to Jewell's. Took my old iMacs.I'll have to make a plan for that then, thanks!
I'm out near Camelback Ranch, 107th Ave and Camelback - which is why I need to make a plan.
I use my first one in my separate art studio now. It's both my blue-tooth jukebox for a nice speaker and also access to synced photos in my Photos app that were loaded on the computer in my house. I have two stands that hold it in any position while I use it for photo reference while I paint. Handy when I need to use my fingers to enlarge one for a detail. And with wifi, I can order art supplies I'm running low on right on the spot. I let go of my Verizon connection with it because for those purposes I don't need it for any of that.Hi Everyone,
Nothing special just a quick observation of mine.
I find it interesting how useful older iPads still are in spite of them being massively out of date. For example, in my kitchen I have an old iPad 3rd generation running version 9.3.5 of the iPad OS. The iPad lives in my kitchen in an Apple iPad Dock (Model A1381) with the audio out attached into my Apple iPod Hi-Fi speaker and the power to the wall to keep the iPad charged. This setup gets used every single day for streaming Pandora and other compatible audio apps to the speaker. I also have recipes stored on the iPad for cooking and I occasionally use it for reading materials I've stored on it from various places and sources. In other words this thing is great and extremely useful for me. The best part is I got the iPad and the iPad dock free when I found them discarded in a recycle bin. Shockingly the battery still also holds a great charge and I've never had any issue when I un-dock it for reading....the battery seems to just go and go. Anyways I really find it disturbing when I see article on all of the e-waste in the world and especially how it's dumped in developing parts of the world and it's really something to be able to usefully continue the life of my older "obsolete" electronics and not have to really compromise what I use them for for as long as possible.
Anyways, just my 2 cents about this subject.
Thanks everyone.
Has anyone mentioned in this thread that Apple Stores will take their old functional or non-functional devices back? I figure they probably stand the most chance of getting properly disassembled and recycled with Apple.
Well, Internet connected tv’s are also inherently dangerous when they’re not kept updated yes, all devices which are attached to the outside world via your network is an increased attack surface to you network. I’m sure most people here understand that, and take my advice as what it was, but it seems I’m wrong.
It’s not me ‘believing’ something, it’s an actual fact that devices which no longer receive security updates are less secure. So if you feel you can live with whatever may come of that, then great. I was simply pointing it out.
I already said that there are legitimate concerns, and advised people to take care and attention if using an out of date device connected to the internet. I really dont need to offer any advice on top of that - people can judge for themselves. But it’s not something I have just made up. It’s extremely common knowledge to people that have something other than a cursory interest in tech, that connected devices have huge attack surfaces, and one must make sure they’re secure.
Yeah yeah. Gotcha. Thing is, I’m not saying it because Apple said it - some other poster kept telling me to offer a source, so I just found an Apple one considering we’re talking about an iPad. The simple and verifiable fact of the matter is that if you connect a device to the internet (Computer, NAS, iPad, tv, fridge) then its a gateway into you home network. If the OS of whatever device is no longer secure, then unless you mitigate it on your network by purposely isolating it, then its made your network (and everything you do on your network) less secure. Obviously plenty of people dont care, for some reason, but that doesn’t mean what I am saying is untrue.