Still OK with Apple CSAM? Watch this video by Rob Braxman

[Abazigal]

I think that at this point, people are firmly in camps. Additional information may serve to further reassure those who were already on Apple’s side of the debate, but it’s unlikely to convince those who were on the fence.

This goes back to a point I made some time back in another thread about how apple users are buying trust, not specs. If you trust Apple, you would trust the CSAM detection system they have built. If you don’t, you will just see it as another back door which may one day morph into something more nefarious, and I don’t think there’s really anything Apple can say to change your minds, because the trust was never really there to begin with.

So it’s either Apple drops plans for this altogether (I don’t think they will), or just go ahead with it, deal with the backlash as it occurs, and accept that a small portion of their user base will switch to android in protest (in the very least, this feature is US only for now, so it shouldn’t affect their sales overseas).

My guess is that Apple will probably opt for the latter, or maybe hold off on it until 15.X, so as not to affect iphone sales.

 

[Jayson A]

As much as your guess that this won't be bad.

I agree. That’s why I’m taking the wait and see approach. It’s all speculation right now. The only thing we can do at the moment is believe what Apple says

 

[zoonyx]

Even more fine with it having watched the video.

 

[ponzicoinbro]

Where is his outrage and video about Microsoft’s PhotoDNA being used by by Gmail, Twitter, Facebook, Adobe, Reddit and Discord?

PhotoDNA - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

PhotoDNA | Microsoft

PhotoDNA is used by organizations around the world and has assisted in the detection, disruption, and reporting of millions of child exploitation images.

www.microsoft.com

Apple’s version is better because it stops abusive images being shared in the first place and gives the user the choice to disable it and change their behavior (ie. Please don’t use our servers for your illegal behavior).

The reality is this.

Because Apple has the biggest market cap and the most private devices, it is filling a certain kind of people with rage. They want to break into Apple devices with third party stores and side loading, they want to do illegal activities on Apple devices such as crypto scam apps and social networks that spread hatred.

This all starts with the extremists who are trying to reshape the world in their image, they want a chaotic society constantly fighting and worried and they will try to profit from it when companies like Palantir and Blackcube step in to act as the savior.

Private intelligence companies have been behind a lot of the world’s troubles. The last thing they want is responsible companies who protect their users themselves.

 

[jseymour]

I think that at this point, people are firmly in camps. Additional information may serve to further reassure those who were already on Apple’s side of the debate, but it’s unlikely to convince those who were on the fence.

I wrote pretty much the same in another thread two or three days ago.

This goes back to a point I made some time back in another thread about how apple users are buying trust, not specs.

That was certainly true in my case. Despite the fact I had had no intention of ever returning to the Android fold (as of two weeks ago I was this >< close to finally closing my Google account entirely, as I hadn't used it for anything in four years), I have been keeping a bit of an eye on what's been going on in the Android world vs. the iOS/iPadOS world. From a strict features/performance/value/what-have-you perspective, I saw advantages to each platform.

If you don’t [trust Apple], ... I don’t think there’s really anything Apple can say to change your minds, because the trust was never really there to begin with.

[N.B.: The above edited for brevity]

Except that's not not necessarily true in all cases. Until Apple came up with this truly execrable idea, I had a good deal of trust in Apple. This stunt, the bad judgement it reflects, caused that trust to be, if not destroyed, certainly decreased to about the level of trust I have in Google.

So it’s either Apple drops plans for this altogether (I don’t think they will), or just go ahead with it, ...

My guess is that Apple will probably opt for the latter, or maybe hold off on it until 15.X, so as not to affect iphone sales.

I'm proceeding on the assumption you're correct--removing myself from the Apple ecosystem a little more each day, until, by the time they launch this in earnest, there won't be anything uniquely Apple to miss anymore.

 

[Edric_1337]

I am still okay. And I compare this to the ongoing Covid vacc discussion: some random people "belive" it is wrong, will be misused etc.

 

[DWHH1]

In a different post I have expressed my concern that the technical 'signatures' used by Apple to find images of Child abuse can easily be swapped or updated to detect images of a democratic or republic party rally, or used to spot activity at whatever innocent hobby, religious, political or special personal interest group that you happen to be a member of. But I have another question about Apple.

I have noticed there is a LOT (ie tens of GB) of data being moved off site from my iMac, linked to the kernel task. For a long time I have assumed it is just data being moved to one of several Airport Extreme/Time Capsule devices I have in my home network but now I am not so sure.

A few minutes ago I noticed that a LOT of data was yet again on the move. This time I went to my router (using my browser) and switched off internet access. The flow of data stopped immediately. This isn't data moving around the internal network to back-up disks, this is data leaving the internal network.

You might say that the data is going to iCloud BUT I only have about 2-3GB of data on iCloud so where is the ~40GB-50GB going, and why??

Has anyone else noticed the export of data associated with the kernel task and can you/anyone provide me and the rest of us with and explanation for what is happening?

 

[twinlight]

It's actually only partially on device. This way they don't actually see any of your photos until a threshold of 30 matches are found, and then those 30 matches are decrypted and sent through another on-server hashing system to weed out any false positives, then they review the suspected CSAM images with humans.

I know how it works. But the majority of people wont and they don’t care. That everyone else is doing it with image storage services and email doesn‘t matter to people. They just hear that Apple are doing it on device and cry fowl..

 

[Moto68000]

New article on Apple scanning of your private photos by Edward Snowden:

The All-Seeing "i": Apple Just Declared War on Your Privacy

“Under His Eye,” she says. The right farewell. “Under His Eye,” I reply, and she gives a little nod.

edwardsnowden.substack.com