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klasma said:
Home owners can change the lock when they lost their key.
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Not to a house they've already sold and moved out of, which is the equivalent situation here. Sellers and buyers should always take care to ensure devices have been properly prepared for the new owner, just as you would make sure not to leave important personal information behind in a house you sold. If it were possible to prevent unauthorized people from changing your locks on your house that would be fantastic, but such safeguards are more difficult to perfect in the physical world than the digital one.
 
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jhonney1324 said:
why isnt anyone sueing apple for icloud lock
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To file a suit on this basis, you have to detail the specific way(s) a policy has harmed you. Actual harm, not imagined.

My entirely uneducated guess since you haven't explained an actual predicament, is that absent harm, only an idiot for a lawyer would risk the significant reputational harm of a lawsuit which would be dismissed as frivolous before any court date was scheduled.

You would actually know this if you read the link you provided to the DoJ action, where they take pains to explain the harms they allege Apple have done.
 
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jhonney1324 said:
then why does android not have lock and apple products have it and they get bircked least they can do is so the whole emial or just remove for older devices
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Because Apple devices are a high-value target and Android devices are not nearly close in being targeted. Are you sure you aren't a bar-hanging thief hoping to get around iCloud Activation lock?
 
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LeoI07 said:
Activation Lock essentially bricks devices that were discarded without signing out of one's Apple ID. The issue is that Apple doesn't give you an opportunity to contact the owner it's locked to and ask them to unlock it. You either need to enter their Apple ID credentials, or provide Apple with proof of purchase to get them to remove it.

If I remember correctly, Apple has this online form that allows you to send them proof of purchase to get Activation Lock removed. Perhaps this form could be updated with an alternative option - to allow you to anonymously (or maybe with your location) contact the original owner of a device and give them the option to remove it from their account.
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Apple is too hands off for anything like this. It financially benefits Apple to make activation lock impossible to remove from a device not signed out of— either your own forgotten ID or a previous owner, but the tools Apple provides to recover an ID are really limited and become very time consuming to try. Until recently, Apple even used this as an incentive to buy from Apple directly — they would reprint the receipt if you bought it at Apple and name matched. I think that policy changed last year, as well as their ability to look up receipts without the actual payment card method used or original email.

Regardless, individuals suing would be at a small claims court dollar amount. It wouldn’t be worth the money to sue, and Apple would almost certainly win.

This would need to be class action sized; and you’d need figures around how many sales Apple makes (and 0 payment recycle devices Apple recoups materials from) that they refuse to unlock, even if the owner is obviously the person presenting the device.
 
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jhonney1324 said:
then why does android not have lock and apple products have it and they get bircked least they can do is so the whole emial or just remove for older devices
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Sorry, but as you can see universally everyone is.... let's be kind... disagreeing with you.

And for good reason.

How exactly has, or does, activation lock inconvenience you?... or anyone?

A phone, when being decommissioned for sale or trade in is incredibly simple to remove activation lock and its part of the erase process which of course everyone would want to do anyway when parting with their phone. Its not as if its difficult or onerous or even its own distinct step to achieve.

The ONLY people that could possible see activation lock as bad, or inconvenient, are the people who steal, or deal in stolen iPhones. Literally nobody else sees that security feature as a bad thing.

Apart from you apparently.


Mind you, the DOJ have many parts of this legislation that will crash and burn embarrassingly for them as they have been written by people with zero understanding of technology or how some features work.
 
motorazr said:
Apple is too hands off for anything like this. It financially benefits Apple to make activation lock impossible to remove from a device not signed out of— either your own forgotten ID or a previous owner, but the tools Apple provides to recover an ID are really limited and become very time consuming to try. Until recently, Apple even used this as an incentive to buy from Apple directly — they would reprint the receipt if you bought it at Apple and name matched. I think that policy changed last year, as well as their ability to look up receipts without the actual payment card method used or original email.

Regardless, individuals suing would be at a small claims court dollar amount. It wouldn’t be worth the money to sue, and Apple would almost certainly win.

This would need to be class action sized; and you’d need figures around how many sales Apple makes (and 0 payment recycle devices Apple recoups materials from) that they refuse to unlock, even if the owner is obviously the person presenting the device.
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Looking at your last sentence and you lost me… how exactly is apple able to determine that ”the owner is obviously the person presenting the device” if it is wiped and at the initial setup screen? Just because they have it?

Instead of trying to sue Apple, I think most people sue the person they bought the device from. That is who harmed them by selling a device that cannot be used.
 
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Well you don't have to use the lock feature and, buyer beware, you should check to see if a phone is locked before you buy it.
 
stocklen said:
The ONLY people that could possible see activation lock as bad, or inconvenient, are the people who steal, or deal in stolen iPhones.
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The ONLY people possible? That's a somewhat narrow way of thinking. Consider the case of a user suddenly passing away and taking their passwords to the grave. The executor of the estate has full authority over disposal of the property of the deceased, which typically involves a sale with transfer of ownership 100% legal and proper. It practically takes an act of God, or a court order, to get Activation Lock removed for this scenario. Speaking from experience, a death certificate is not nearly enough. It might be easier to just bury the locked (Activation Lock) Apple devices with the body.
 
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sparky672 said:
The ONLY people possible? That's a somewhat narrow way of thinking. Consider the case of a user suddenly passing away and taking their passwords to the grave. The executor of the estate has full authority over disposal of the property of the deceased, which typically involves a sale with transfer of ownership 100% legal and proper. It practically takes an act of God, or a court order, to get Activation Lock removed for this scenario. Speaking from experience, a death certificate is not nearly enough. It might be easier to just bury the locked Apple devices with the body.
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And, with respect, your scenario isnt as cut and dried as you present.

Lets take a sidestep from the emotional side of the discussion here as regardless of the experience you elude to this is not a personal specific.

But, I wonder out loud.... in your scenario you have an asset that you feel you should be able to sell on and monetise... or keep for yourself.
However, should the blanket assumption be made that the deceased be totally fine with someone being able to access ALL their data on said device not the least being photos?

Strikes me that your suggestion that the phone just the buried might well suit the owner better than a sudden expectation to carte blanch access to all their private information contained therein.
 
stocklen said:
However, should the blanket assumption be made that the deceased be totally fine with someone being able to access ALL their data on said device not the least being photos? .... Strikes me that your suggestion that the phone just the buried might well suit the owner better than a sudden expectation to carte blanch access to all their private information contained therein
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Emotions aside, you're simply mistaken in your assumption about data access. Removal of Activation Lock does NOT grant access to any iCloud account or its data. I'm talking about the legal ownership transfer of physical property, and nothing to do with private data, photos, etc.

See bullet #2...

Your data on the device will be erased.​

If Apple unlocks Activation Lock on your device, all files and data stored on your device will be permanently erased. Please note, restoring your device from a local backup will re-enable Activation Lock.
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https://al-support.apple.com/#/additional-support


stocklen said:
... Mind you, the DOJ have many parts of this legislation that will crash and burn embarrassingly for them as they have been written by people with zero understanding of technology or how some features work.
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I'm glad they are suing Apple, it so happen that I lend a spare iPhone to a friend of mine until she got settled in after moving to Florida, she set it up and everything, and after 2 months she gives me back the iPhone, I simply just put it away and never bothered to see it until 5 months after, it so happen that somehow she did the activation lock feature, I tried contacting her several times, but her phone number was changed, so I lost contact with the person, I then take the iPhone to the Apple store, with my Apple purchase receipt of ownership, and Apple simply told me that they could not do anything about it and that at this point the iPhone was useless, to me that was wrong because I provided proof that I was the owner, the serial number matched to the receipt and everything, so go ahead and sue Apple they do things at times the does not make sense like in my case.
 
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IGWT15 said:
I'm glad they are suing Apple, it so happen that I lend a spare iPhone to a friend of mine until she got settled in after moving to Florida, she set it up and everything, and after 2 months she gives me back the iPhone, I simply just put it away and never bothered to see it until 5 months after, it so happen that somehow she did the activation lock feature, I tried contacting her several times, but her phone number was changed, so I lost contact with the person, I then take the iPhone to the Apple store, with my Apple purchase receipt of ownership, and Apple simply told me that they could not do anything about it and that at this point the iPhone was useless, to me that was wrong because I provided proof that I was the owner, the serial number matched to the receipt and everything, so go ahead and sue Apple they do things at times the does not make sense like in my case.
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ROFL. Your issue is with yourself and with your “friend,” not Apple.
 
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NotApplicable said:
ROFL. Your issue is with yourself and with your “friend,” not Apple.
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Guess what it is Apple's fault, they are were unwilling to remove the activation lock, when I was the full owner and had proof, so how about if they steal your car, and you show proof of ownership, will the law say, that is between you and your friend and not be able to get your car back?
 
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IGWT15 said:
... I then take the iPhone to the Apple store, with my Apple purchase receipt of ownership, and Apple simply told me that they could not do anything about it ...
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Because they don't, can't, or won't remove Activation Lock at an Apple Store. They should have then directed you to the online form below.

As long as you have the original receipt with serial number ...

https://al-support.apple.com/#/additional-support
 
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IGWT15 said:
I'm glad they are suing Apple, it so happen that I lend a spare iPhone to a friend of mine until she got settled in after moving to Florida, she set it up and everything, and after 2 months she gives me back the iPhone, I simply just put it away and never bothered to see it until 5 months after, it so happen that somehow she did the activation lock feature, I tried contacting her several times, but her phone number was changed, so I lost contact with the person, I then take the iPhone to the Apple store, with my Apple purchase receipt of ownership, and Apple simply told me that they could not do anything about it and that at this point the iPhone was useless, to me that was wrong because I provided proof that I was the owner, the serial number matched to the receipt and everything, so go ahead and sue Apple they do things at times the does not make sense like in my case.
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I've had to get over my apprehension of checking my food order before I leave a restaurant. I'm too trusting and not wanting to insult the employees, which has resulted in several return trips for missing items. That, when I could have just checked right there, right in front of them and made sure I had everything. What would have/could have happened if I'd had to come back after the restaurant closed for the day? Food is expensive! Even more so when you don't all that you ordered!

It's like just assuming that a friend isn't going to do things with your stuff that you don't expect. Then finding out later that they did.

Trust but verify. Less problems in your life that way.
 
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