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I understand how there might be some use for a bootable external disk, but it just doesn't make sense to me as a backup anymore.

Yes. If there is a problem you just reinstall the OS and restore from backup. I install the OS on an external SSD to serve as an alternative boot device in case of boot problems.
 
So if your boot drive fails, I'm guessing that your only option would be to reboot using the startup key combo Shift-Option-Command-R, to start up in Recovery Mode over the Internet. Holding the Option key down on startup and picking one of my bootable startup disks seems a lot easier, at least at first glance.
 
So if your boot drive fails, I'm guessing that your only option would be to reboot using the startup key combo Shift-Option-Command-R, to start up in Recovery Mode over the Internet. Holding the Option key down on startup and picking one of my bootable startup disks seems a lot easier, at least at first glance.
That scenario won’t work with the M series Macs.
 
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reevescajr wrote:
"So if your boot drive fails, I'm guessing that your only option would be to reboot using the startup key combo Shift-Option-Command-R, to start up in Recovery Mode over the Internet"

Not on the newer m-series Macs.

If the internal SSD fails on an m-series Mac (on ANY of them), the computer is totally UN-bootable.
Won't even start from a "known good" external boot SSD.

Only option at that point (as far as I know) is to replace the entire logic board, or get another Mac.
 
So... for newer m-series Macs, what should be backed up is only the Data Volume. No need for a Bootable drive at all any more?
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So... for newer m-series Macs, what should be backed up is only the Data Volume. No need for a Bootable drive at all any more?
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A bootable drive is worthless on the M series if the internal drive goes down. The M series will not boot if that happens. It also is not really needed in normal use give that the OS volume is sealed. Backup needed personal and user files and you will be fine.
 
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A bootable drive is worthless on the M series if the internal drive goes down. The M series will not boot if that happens. It also is not really needed in normal use give that the OS volume is sealed. Backup needed personal and user files and you will be fine.

So, there is absolutely no option left from apple,
in case of failure of internal drive,
to be able to boot my mac as user,
with an alternative option of a bootable-cloned external hard disk?

If this is the case, it is really frustrating.
 
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