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Do you own a Surface device

  • Yes I own a Surface Pro or Surfacebook - it’s great

    Votes: 165 51.2%
  • Yes I own a Surface laptop - it’s great

    Votes: 36 11.2%
  • No - i’m not a fan

    Votes: 69 21.4%
  • Not anymore I had a bad experience

    Votes: 52 16.1%

  • Total voters
    322
Some images of the 15" with the 10th gen Intel. I got the Platinum (metal) i7 / 16 / 256. Oddly the 256 SSD in this machine is much faster than the 512 SSD I had in the 13".....

I do like the Platinum metal better than the fabric.. I could have gotten the Ryzen 7 version a little cheaper but I decided to get the bizz Intel version after seeing all the complaints about the AMD's...

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If I’m talking about a high end laptop like the blade 15 or maxed out surface pro 2, clearly I’m talking about a specific class of laptop. Of course there are dozens of decent laptops if all you want to do is browse this website or stream Netflix but if someone posts complaining about high end laptops, one would think that’s what they were referring to. I didn’t realize I needed to put training wheels on for this conversation.
Are you purposely avoiding my recommendation?
 
Are you purposely avoiding my recommendation?

no, I’m not. Lenovo just makes it difficult to test out their products. Remind me again where I can test out Lenovo laptops? I can’t seem to locate the Lenovo store as easy as I can the Apple store. looks like micro enter or Best Buy are option but they don’t have what I’m looking for in stock. Color me shocked.
 
no, I’m not. Lenovo just makes it difficult to test out their products. Remind me again where I can test out Lenovo laptops? I can’t seem to locate the Lenovo store as easy as I can the Apple store. looks like micro enter or Best Buy are option but they don’t have what I’m looking for in stock. Color me shocked.
Well you mentioned razer and you can't see that in a store
 
Personally I would stay away from Razer. I've owned the 2019 Advanced as well as the 2nd iteration of the 2019 Stealth (with the 10th gen Intel and it was horribly slow). The battery life on both was sub par, the usb-c ports are loose, etc. They look nice, but it's all just lipstick. Don't get me wrong, the RTX 2070 that was in mine was great, and I'm sure the 240hz display is nice if you're gaming plugged in. But when on battery that panel drains the battery, and even with just the Intel card running I was lucky to get 2.5 hours max, and that was only running edge chromium, word, excel, etc. Nothing that should be that draining. Sure, you can undervolt more, turn the refresh rate down, lower the brightness, etc but who wants to do that all the time? I bought my machine to use it, not spend an hour or two tweaking settings to get what should be standard battery life in 2019.

Also, their customer service is horrendous. When I needed to replace my Razer Core under warranty because of USB port dropout (something that was fixed on the V2 and Core X) it took over a month to get an RMA, and receive my replacement. Mind you I shipped them mine the the next day after receiving the label. It just sat in their warehouse for nearly 3 weeks.

Like the above poster, I also had the 15" Surface Laptop 3 (AMD though) and the build quality is fantastic (I have since decided to go with the Surface Pro 7 and a desktop (MSI) instead). That 3:2 screen looks massive sitting in front of you hands down. I didn't have any issues with the AMD as others have, but considering you get lesser battery life, an no wifi 6, I'd stick with the Intel 10th gen models. The SL3 esily has the best trackpad I've used in a windows machine, and the keyboard was nice too. I'd say my only real complaint with it was the speakers sounded a bit muffled (to me) as they are firing from underneath the keyboard.

For the same price as the Razer Advanced (at the Microsoft store), you can get BOTH an MSI Trident 3 Desktop (i7 / 16 / 1tb ssd / RTX 2060), a Surface Pro 7 (i5 / 8gb / 256gb) and a surface pro signature keyboard. So unless you really need a crazy amount of power (and terrible battery life) on the go, there are much better options.

Edit: And if you ignore any advice against the Razer do yourself a favor and find a retailer that offers a good extended warranty (Microsoft Complete is utterly amazing), because you are definitely going to need it.
 
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Personally I would stay away from Razer. I've owned the 2019 Advanced as well as the 2nd iteration of the 2019 Stealth (with the 10th gen Intel and it was horribly slow). The battery life on both was sub par, the usb-c ports are loose, etc. They look nice, but it's all just lipstick. Don't get me wrong, the RTX 2070 that was in mine was great, and I'm sure the 240hz display is nice if you're gaming plugged in. But when on battery that panel drains the battery, and even with just the Intel card running I was lucky to get 2.5 hours max, and that was only running edge chromium, word, excel, etc. Nothing that should be that draining. Sure, you can undervolt more, turn the refresh rate down, lower the brightness, etc but who wants to do that all the time? I bought my machine to use it, not spend an hour or two tweaking settings to get what should be standard battery life in 2019.

Also, their customer service is horrendous. When I needed to replace my Razer Core under warranty because of USB port dropout (something that was fixed on the V2 and Core X) it took over a month to get an RMA, and receive my replacement. Mind you I shipped them mine the the next day after receiving the label. It just sat in their warehouse for nearly 3 weeks.

Like the above poster, I also had the 15" Surface Laptop 3 (AMD though) and the build quality is fantastic (I have since decided to go with the Surface Pro 7 and a desktop (MSI) instead). That 3:2 screen looks massive sitting in front of you hands down. I didn't have any issues with the AMD as others have, but considering you get lesser battery life, an no wifi 6, I'd stick with the Intel 10th gen models. The SL3 esily has the best trackpad I've used in a windows machine, and the keyboard was nice too. I'd say my only real complaint with it was the speakers sounded a bit muffled (to me) as they are firing from underneath the keyboard.

For the same price as the Razer Advanced (at the Microsoft store), you can get BOTH an MSI Trident 3 Desktop (i7 / 16 / 1tb ssd / RTX 2060), a Surface Pro 7 (i5 / 8gb / 256gb) and a surface pro signature keyboard. So unless you really need a crazy amount of power (and terrible battery life) on the go, there are much better options.

Edit: And if you ignore any advice against the Razer do yourself a favor and find a retailer that offers a good extended warranty (Microsoft Complete is utterly amazing), because you are definitely going to need it.
I think I'll get a surface pro 7 myself or the sl 3 13. Which one will have a better battery life? Both have iris Pro igpu?
 
I think I'll get a surface pro 7 myself or the sl 3 13. Which one will have a better battery life? Both have iris Pro igpu?
They both have Intel iris Plus graphics, and to be honest, the battery life is a wash. Microsoft claims 10 for the SP7 and 11.5 for the SL3.

As far as the processor goes, the i5 in the SP7 is the 10th gen G4 and the SL3 is the 10th gen G7. The only difference I can see between these two is that the SP7 has a base clock of 1.1ghz (3.7 turbo) and the SL3 has a base clock of 1.2ghz (3.7 turbo). This is according to the intel spec pages on both processors.

To sum it up, I think it really just comes down to which one you prefer. I really like the speakers on the Surface Pro as they are on the front of the screen. The bezels are a bit dated, but that is what it is. I've not found either one to be distracting in any way.
 
They both have Intel iris Plus graphics, and to be honest, the battery life is a wash. Microsoft claims 10 for the SP7 and 11.5 for the SL3.

As far as the processor goes, the i5 in the SP7 is the 10th gen G4 and the SL3 is the 10th gen G7. The only difference I can see between these two is that the SP7 has a base clock of 1.1ghz (3.7 turbo) and the SL3 has a base clock of 1.2ghz (3.7 turbo). This is according to the intel spec pages on both processors.

To sum it up, I think it really just comes down to which one you prefer. I really like the speakers on the Surface Pro as they are on the front of the screen. The bezels are a bit dated, but that is what it is. I've not found either one to be distracting in any way.
I'd be interested only for the i7 model especially when the i7 Pro 7 has a faster iris Pro igpu and has a fan to stop it from throttling?

Does the sl3 have the ability to actually upgrade the ssd? To a standard nvme drive?
 
I'd be interested only for the i7 model especially when the i7 Pro 7 has a faster iris Pro igpu and has a fan to stop it from throttling?

Does the sl3 have the ability to actually upgrade the ssd? To a standard nvme drive?

Think more repairable, than upgradable as the SSD physical format is not common on the consumer market, equally in time and determination I don't see why an upgrade could not be done. Just don't think like the ubiquitous M.2 SSD it will be just one click away :)

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I'd be interested only for the i7 model especially when the i7 Pro 7 has a faster iris Pro igpu and has a fan to stop it from throttling?

Does the sl3 have the ability to actually upgrade the ssd? To a standard nvme drive?
As Q6 said, the SSD is replaceable, but not a super common size, as it’s a 2230 drive. There are some out there though.

In regards to the i7 graphics, none of the surface devices have iris Pro, including the business 15” intel models.

See Reddit for SSD upgrades.
 
As Q6 said, the SSD is replaceable, but not a super common size, as it’s a 2230 drive. There are some out there though.

In regards to the i7 graphics, none of the surface devices have iris Pro, including the business 15” intel models.

See Reddit for SSD upgrades.
What do u mean none have the iris plus pro igpu? I thought they did especially the i7?
 
Simply in love with my Surface Laptop 3 13 Black.

BEST MACHINE I HAVE HAD in a while.
 
Personally I would stay away from Razer. I've owned the 2019 Advanced as well as the 2nd iteration of the 2019 Stealth (with the 10th gen Intel and it was horribly slow). The battery life on both was sub par, the usb-c ports are loose, etc. They look nice, but it's all just lipstick. Don't get me wrong, the RTX 2070 that was in mine was great, and I'm sure the 240hz display is nice if you're gaming plugged in. But when on battery that panel drains the battery, and even with just the Intel card running I was lucky to get 2.5 hours max, and that was only running edge chromium, word, excel, etc. Nothing that should be that draining. Sure, you can undervolt more, turn the refresh rate down, lower the brightness, etc but who wants to do that all the time? I bought my machine to use it, not spend an hour or two tweaking settings to get what should be standard battery life in 2019.

Also, their customer service is horrendous. When I needed to replace my Razer Core under warranty because of USB port dropout (something that was fixed on the V2 and Core X) it took over a month to get an RMA, and receive my replacement. Mind you I shipped them mine the the next day after receiving the label. It just sat in their warehouse for nearly 3 weeks.

Like the above poster, I also had the 15" Surface Laptop 3 (AMD though) and the build quality is fantastic (I have since decided to go with the Surface Pro 7 and a desktop (MSI) instead). That 3:2 screen looks massive sitting in front of you hands down. I didn't have any issues with the AMD as others have, but considering you get lesser battery life, an no wifi 6, I'd stick with the Intel 10th gen models. The SL3 esily has the best trackpad I've used in a windows machine, and the keyboard was nice too. I'd say my only real complaint with it was the speakers sounded a bit muffled (to me) as they are firing from underneath the keyboard.

For the same price as the Razer Advanced (at the Microsoft store), you can get BOTH an MSI Trident 3 Desktop (i7 / 16 / 1tb ssd / RTX 2060), a Surface Pro 7 (i5 / 8gb / 256gb) and a surface pro signature keyboard. So unless you really need a crazy amount of power (and terrible battery life) on the go, there are much better options.

Edit: And if you ignore any advice against the Razer do yourself a favor and find a retailer that offers a good extended warranty (Microsoft Complete is utterly amazing), because you are definitely going to need it.
Not sure what you were doing with your mid tier spec but I seem to have no issues getting the norms for this class of laptop :rolleyes:

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Not sure what you were doing with your mid tier spec but I seem to have no issues getting the norms for this class of laptop :rolleyes:

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As I said. The machine was terrible. Razer isn’t known for quality.

And all of the screenshots in the world showing battery saver turned on, the screen brightness set to minimal, being undervolted, etc doesn’t make it a good machine.
 
As I said. The machine was terrible. Razer isn’t known for quality.

And all of the screenshots in the world showing battery saver turned on, the screen brightness set to minimal, being undervolted, etc doesn’t make it a good machine.

Bottom line similar to my ROG G703GS the Razer is a performance orientated machine and mains power is generally ubiquitous. If I want elongated runtime off the mains I have a separate ULV solutions...

Q-6
 
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As I said. The machine was terrible. Razer isn’t known for quality.

And all of the screenshots in the world showing battery saver turned on, the screen brightness set to minimal, being undervolted, etc doesn’t make it a good machine.
Thanks I think it's clear to all now your subjectiveness on this :rolleyes:
 
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