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An old guy in the lane next to me asked me if I wanted some pointers. He told me, "It looks like you're cupping your hands, like you're digging through sand. Don't do that. You hands should be relaxed with your fingers relaxed, slightly apart." Is he right?

I am not an authority, but based on my experience I’ll say it depends. :) I believe that fingers together, mean you are moving more water, and see people who are much faster than me with their fingers together. I do crawl with my fingers together, however, when I was experiencing forearm/elbow pain, I purposefully kept my hands in a relaxed open finger position.
 
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Old guy is wise, as are you. Thanks for the link.

Just got back from swimming, and to my chagrin, not only do I swim with my hands in the natural open position, but some switching back and forth between closed fingers and natural fingers revealed that the natural position meets with slightly more water resistance meaning your hands do have a larger area, which means they would be more effective pushing water.
 

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An old guy in the lane next to me asked me if I wanted some pointers. He told me, "It looks like you're cupping your hands, like you're digging through sand. Don't do that. You hands should be relaxed with your fingers relaxed, slightly apart." Is he right?
Yes, from all I’ve read about swimming technique. Keeping fingers together is old school. Good information here: http://forums.usms.org/
 
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With the reopening of the pool, I have started getting back into shape. My goal is the 1:15 hr, 50 lap swim I used to do, but that is trickier with the way the YMCA is scheduling pool reservations, 45 minutes on the hour with technically a 15 min break between period so one group can clear out, before the next group comes in.

Honestly right now 45 minutes is not quite enough time, and I’ve discovered that I can’t power though 45 min trying to get to 50 laps. And now I have discovered, I can schedule 2 periods in a row, as long as I am on the ball and schedule as soon as the slot becomes available, 3 days out.

And I just ordered some short swim fins to see how that helps if at all. So I’ll ask those of you who swim, and use fins, what do you think about them?
 
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With the reopening of the pool, I have started getting back into shape. My goal is the 1:15 hr, 50 lap swim I used to do, but that is trickier with the way the YMCA is scheduling pool reservations, 45 minutes on the hour with technically a 15 min break between period so one group can clear out, before the next group comes in.

Honestly right now 45 minutes is not quite enough time, and I’ve discovered that I can’t power though 45 min trying to get to 50 laps. And now I have discovered, I can schedule 2 periods in a row, as long as I am on the ball and schedule as soon as the slot becomes available, 3 days out.

And I just ordered some short swim fins to see how that helps if at all. So I’ll ask those of you who swim, and use fins, what do you think about them?
Fins will make your kicks slower and much more powerful ( a completely different swim than a normal swim ). I've never used fins for fitness, just for going long distances.

Hand paddles are what used to kill me. These seem to make your stroke much stronger and more efficient. You will sail through the water and feel the burn right away.
 
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Fins will make your kicks slower and much more powerful ( a completely different swim than a normal swim ). I've never used fins for fitness, just for going long distances.

Hand paddles are what used to kill me. These seem to make your stroke much stronger and more efficient. You will sail through the water and feel the burn right away.
I have hand paddles and stopped using them because of perceived strain on my arms, shoulders, elbows.

For fins, the short fins I bought just slightly larger than my feet, I was thinking, that with limited time, this would help me get more of a workout, but realize there could be an issue with strain on the knees, but hopefully not. I read that training fins can help you develop a better kick starting from the hip, if you don’t already have one. I need to evaluate this in my kicking technique.
 

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I have hand paddles and stopped using them because of perceived strain on my arms, shoulders, elbows.

For fins, the short fins I bought just slightly larger than my feet, I was thinking, that with limited time, this would help me get more of a workout, but realize there could be an issue with strain on the knees, but hopefully not. I read that training fins can help you develop a better kick starting from the hip, if you don’t already have one. I need to evaluate this in my kicking technique.

when you say short fins, are you talking about positive drive fins? From what I’ve seen, they work well in encouraging you to adjust your form while leaving your body to do most of the work.

I haven’t used them in practice, though, so I’m curious if you are fining they strain your knees.

Also, I don’t know about your Y, but ours is 25 meters, not yards. It’s just a little longer but I’ve been feeling it. The upside is the lane reservation has meant a virtually private pool when I go.
 
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when you say short fins, are you talking about positive drive fins? From what I’ve seen, they work well in encouraging you to adjust your form while leaving your body to do most of the work.

I haven’t used them in practice, though, so I’m curious if you are fining they strain your knees.

Also, I don’t know about your Y, but ours is 25 meters, not yards. It’s just a little longer but I’ve been feeling it. The upside is the lane reservation has meant a virtually private pool when I go.

When I first tried them (short training fins) last week I was 3 months out of swim shape, so I quickly abandoned them for now, because it’s very noticeable when you have them on. However once I’m back up to speed (almost there), I’ll revisit using these.

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CAPAS Training Fins
As far as the length of the pool you maybe right, none of the guards seem to know if it is yards or meters. :)
 

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When I first tried them (short training fins) last week I was 3 months out of swim shape, so I quickly abandoned them for now, because it’s very noticeable when you have them on. However once I’m back up to speed (almost there), I’ll revisit using these.

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As far as the length of the pool you maybe right, none of the guards seem to know if it is yards or meters. :)
I had to resort to Measuring distance on Google maps.

If I may be so bold, the Finis posidrive fins may be something to consider. They are a lot shorter and don’t leave me feeling like I’m getting a huge assist. Not sure who else makes this style, but I’ve been pretty happy with them.

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I had to resort to Measuring distance on Google maps.

If I may be so bold, the Finis posidrive fins may be something to consider. They are a lot shorter and don’t leave me feeling like I’m getting a huge assist. Not sure who else makes this style, but I’ve been pretty happy with them.

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The image I posted might be misleading. You have to realize that your toes stick out the holes, so they are not much larger than your feet, but those you posted look interesting. :)
 

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I don't either. I'm 52 now. I live in Colorado and I've never been skiing either.
It's mostly about confidence, initially.

My ex-girlfriend nearly drowned once (before I knew her). However, she saw how much people enjoy being in the water and wanted to be part of the action.

I told her that most people are naturally buoyant (unless they are really thin, and more so in sea water than fresh water). I showed her how she could relax and float on her back - with support initially, then without. I also showed her how lifting her head reduces overall buoyancy, making the body sink a little. And how breathing in and out increases and decreases buoyancy. Once she understood and experienced all that, she had the confidence to start to swim.

Once swimming you can take it to various levels. For many it is just a matter of moving through the water in some fashion to get to where you want to go. Others take pleasure in learning and refining technique.

At school in New Zealand, when I was young, and probably still, swimming is part of the PE curriculum. At primary school, in the summer term we had one or two half hour swimming lessons per week. The activities we did then were designed to build confidence and understanding of being in the water. Once we got older we learned the different strokes, and at secondary school everyone had to compete in at least one event in the school Swimming Sports Day.
 
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1 year a go I purchased a pair of CAPAS silicone short training flippers that recently split at the heal.

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Doing some research I‘m finding this is a common occurrence. My observation about these flippers is that they are very comfortable, but don’t feel like they add much resistance or leg conditioning.

Now I’ve switched to Arena brand flippers which cost twice as much, but are still reasonably priced and have an excellent rep. I’ve used them once, and the generate more propulsion, more leg conditioning.

I also saw a customer comment that their Arena flippers broke quickly with regular use. These too are silicon. Maybe a short lifespan comes with the material?

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I tried some regular “sport” swim trunks to swim laps, NOPE. :) If you are used to compression trunks, the fabric flapping and drag is noticeable and annoying.
 

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When I sawn Keuka Lake at it's Y junction I was 16 years old ay that time and in shape from playing three different Varsity sports al three season of 3 different sports I was in shape! I cumin 7th so I figured that wasn't bad consider I was up against College age swimmers in that race!
 

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Any swimmers here? I know of at least one @A.Goldberg. I’m 6 years swimming, I used to run, until knees, and then I walked, until back, and I remember thinking, ok, I’m just going to get fat now. But somehow swimming came to my attention. I had not swam since the days I was preparing to go into the Navy. Really running was my thing until cruel life forced a change and swimming saved me, it saved my physically active life Is what it did.

Swimming is the old folks exercise as well as young people‘s. The oldest person in my pool is 95, bunches in the range of 60-90. Generally speaking, I can jump in the pool and work out hard without hurting myself. I imagine most people can with some caveats. If your knees are torn up there might be issues, but you will avoid impact stress on both your knees and back. I have degenerative disk disease, my back can bother me when I take the trash to the curb, but it feels fine, as I bound out of the pool after a 90 minute session. :)

I started about 7 years ago. I started struggling through 20 laps. During the way up I experienced both elbow and shoulder issues, for a while wore straps on my bicep and forearm but those issues went away, not sure way, perseverance? Maybe my technique got better? Honestly I’m not 100% certain, but one day when my shoulder was bothering me during a swim, I decided after to go to the weight section and see how it felt lifting light weights. Surprisingly my shoulder felt fine, and I decided I would devote more time to weights along with my swimming. This has paid off, since then no elbow or shoulder issues.

I slowly worked my way up to 70 laps (briefly), but then quickly realized that was too much and cut back to 50 laps (100 lengths of the pool). I do 6 sets of 8 laps +2 to make it 50 (2500 meters), with a variety of strokes, side, breast, and crawl (freestyle) Mixing it up. My reasoning is that I don’t want repetitive motion injury and I think the variety helps.

I have some effective flippers which I use for about 14 laps, split up throughout the 50 laps. They make a significant difference for your legs. Note not all flippers are the same, the cheap silicon, lap flippers are not as effective. Arena brand is effective and reasonably priced. I use a lap snorkel for about 14 laps when I use my flippers, this because I started coming out of the pool with a sore neck. Too much neck rotation during freestyle swimming. A better technique also helps with that. And I have some hand paddles that I use for 8 laps. The caution there is don’t overdo those, work up your arm muscles slowly or you can create shoulder issues if you go too crazy with them.

My major dissapointment is that I am doing more exercise, putting out more effort time wise, then I did when I was young, but showing less for it. I’ve built some muscle, but my weight is still 218, 58 lbs above my running prime, at 71% lean body mass. At my age of 69, calories intake counts more than burning calories. I can burn 500 calories in the pool and wipe that out with one dessert, although that still is a 500 calorie net loss, it could be 1000 calories if I could get the sugar monkey off my back, a life long addiction.

My final tip is that to keep your goggles clear of fog, instead of purchasing an anti-fog product, at the end of a swim, you can simply put a small drop of shampoo on each lense, smear it around with your finger, let it sit a few minutes, and then give them a light, short (2 second) rinse with water. Then I toss them in my net bag and let them dry until the next swim.
 
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You're doing a lot of swimming Huntn! I love swimming and just being in the water (I think my user name might give the game away). I try and swim as regularly as I can but the problem we have here (in the often rainy and gloomy UK) are facilities. Swimming every day can be expensive and over-crowded to the point of frustration. Covid hasn't helped either. I think it's why 'open water' swimming (pond/lake/sea) has become very trendy here but when you're freezing your **** off in a muddy lake, pushing ducks out of the way and paying £6 for the privilege I often envy the easy pool culture of the US and Australia.

A few of my swimming observations / thoughts:

I was very sad to hear that Terry Laughlin had died (relatively young) a few years ago, his books and DVDs when they came out rescued me from a lifetime of breaststroke. Even many years later if my stroke starts to get a bit ragged I still dip into his DVD (remember them?) Easy Freestyle occasionally. It's worth a look if you can get one of eBay or somewhere.

I've never found that on its own swimming has ever given me the obvious weight control/muscle changes that say regular running etc can do. However I do find that regular swimming has a noticeable effect on my rubbish running ability so it must be doing a lot of good.

I not too long ago finally got an Apple watch, I've been a bit underwhelmed generally but as a swimming watch it is stellar, by far the best I've ever used (and I've tried a few over the years for swimming). If you swim regularly then it worth the price just for that. I'm always surprised by just how accurately it counts lengths.

Goggles - I always use Aqua Sphere's, the more mask like ones. For me nothing else comes close.

Fogging - I've just run out of my aqua sphere anti fog (which I've used for years) and can't seem to find any in stock anywhere. I think there's been a bit of fuss about some of the ingredients used in antifog solutions so perhaps it was a bit dodgy but the others all seem to have mixed reviews or are really expensive. In diving all sorts of tricks seem to work (spit, toothpaste, washing up liquid etc) but I find swim goggles do fog up - perhaps it's the low volume and temp changes. I'll try your routine and see if it works.
 
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You're doing a lot of swimming Huntn! I love swimming and just being in the water (I think my user name might give the game away). I try and swim as regularly as I can but the problem we have here (in the often rainy and gloomy UK) are facilities. Swimming every day can be expensive and over-crowded to the point of frustration. Covid hasn't helped either. I think it's why 'open water' swimming (pond/lake/sea) has become very trendy here but when you're freezing your **** off in a muddy lake, pushing ducks out of the way and paying £6 for the privilege I often envy the easy pool culture of the US and Australia.

A few of my swimming observations / thoughts:

I was very sad to hear that Terry Laughlin had died (relatively young) a few years ago, his books and DVDs when they came out rescued me from a lifetime of breaststroke. Even many years later if my stroke starts to get a bit ragged I still dip into his DVD (remember them?) Easy Freestyle occasionally. It's worth a look if you can get one of eBay or somewhere.

I've never found that on its own swimming has ever given me the obvious weight control/muscle changes that say regular running etc can do. However I do find that regular swimming has a noticeable effect on my rubbish running ability so it must be doing a lot of good.

I not too long ago finally got an Apple watch, I've been a bit underwhelmed generally but as a swimming watch it is stellar, by far the best I've ever used (and I've tried a few over the years for swimming). If you swim regularly then it worth the price just for that. I'm always surprised by just how accurately it counts lengths.

Googles - I always use Aqua Sphere's, the more mask like ones. For me nothing else comes close.

Fogging - I've just run out of my aqua sphere anti fog (which I've used for years) and can't seem to find any in stock anywhere. I think there's been a bit of fuss about some of the ingredients used in antifog solutions so perhaps it was a bit dodgy but the others all seem to have mixed reviews or are really expensive. In diving all sorts of tricks seem to work (spit, toothpaste, washing up liquid etc) but I find swim googles do fog up - perhaps it's the low volume and temp changes. I'll try your routine and see if it works.
Where I live in Houston there are 3 pools within 4 miles of my house. Two of those pools offer Silver Sneakers which can be found in some Medicare secondary insurances. Yes you are paying for it, by virtue of the Secondary Insurance, but since you might want the secondary insurance anyway which covers what Medicare does not, it feels like it is free, a great value for seniors. These pools are indoors, and as far as crowding, not too bad. My primary pool has 5 lanes and is 75 meters. I think more people want to do the gym, instead of the pool and I rarely face waits to get a lane.

If I see someone waiting for a lane, I offer to double up, which for competant swimmers is doable.

I used to buy Aqua Sphere goggles via Amazon, they were excellent, but they were not available (on Amazon) the last time I needed new goggles, so I bought Yakaon which are excellent too and very reasonably priced at $22.
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Speedo, a popular brand in The States, I’ve not cared for their typical inexpensive goggles, not large enough for adukts and I never have liked the itty bitty goggles.

i used to wear an inexpensive Fitbit which synched with my phone. Every swim it said 500 calories burned so I got the picture and don’t wear it anymore. :)

I’ve been using an anti-fog brand called Spit, but a friend suggested baby shampoo. Since the gym has regular shampoo I gave that a shot and it works fine. As I said a small drop on the inside of each lense, smear with your finger, I let is sit for a few minutes, a very light rinse of water for 2 seconds, then it sits in my mesh swim bag and is completely dry by the next time I swim. It you leave a bit too much of shampoo on the lens, it might look foggy next time. For that case I just dip the goggles in the water, and shake them out before putting them in. If you dip your treated with shampoo goggles in the water, you might think that shampoo might be an issue later getting in your eyes, but it has not been an issue for me.
 
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75m pools... that sounds absolutely great, it's rare to get anything here over 25m. Where I go it's sort of expected that you go 2 to a lane but as you say if you're competent it's no biggie.

I think Aquasphere is Italian, and with all the recent shenanigans here they sometimes come in and out of stock, also I noticed that recently Amazon is really beginning to stock/push(?) it's own Chinese brands for everything over more established UK/Euro/US ones. I'm having to look elsewhere more often these days which is no bad thing I guess.

These are my favourites:
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they're a bit more mask like but it's always what fits isn't it?

Speedo are big here too, they even have their own shop in London but I've never liked Speedo goggles either, they always felt like they were going to suck my eyes out.

I assumed you'd have an Apple watch, as mentioned I've been impressed with its swimming functions. Better than the Pool Mate, Suunto and the specific Garmin Swim watch (which went back). I can never count laps in my head as my mind constantly wanders when swimming or running for that matter.

I'll try your shampoo trick (I've got some different anti fog on order) but in the past I tried washing up detergent in a diving mask, thought I'd got it all out but it wasn't the nicest hour of my life - back on the boat with red eyes, bubbling nose but I did smell of apple blossom... Swimming I guess you can always stop and sort them out if you've been a bit over enthusiastic and shampoo has to be a lot milder than washing up liquid!
 

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Any swimmers here? I know of at least one @A.Goldberg. I’m 6 years swimming, I used to run, until knees, and then I walked, until back, and I remember thinking, ok, I’m just going to get fat now. But somehow swimming came to my attention. I had not swam since the days I was preparing to go into the Navy. Really running was my thing until cruel life forced a change and swimming saved me, it saved my physically active life Is what it did.

Swimming is the old folks exercise as well as young people‘s. The oldest person in my pool is 95, bunches in the range of 60-90. Generally speaking, I can jump in the pool and work out hard without hurting myself. I imagine most people can with some caveats. If your knees are torn up there might be issues, but you will avoid impact stress on both your knees and back. I have degenerative disk disease, my back can bother me when I take the trash to the curb, but it feels fine, as I bound out of the pool after a 90 minute session. :)

I started about 7 years ago. I started struggling through 20 laps. During the way up I experienced both elbow and shoulder issues, for a while wore straps on my bicep and forearm but those issues went away, not sure way, perseverance? Maybe my technique got better? Honestly I’m not 100% certain, but one day when my shoulder was bothering me during a swim, I decided after to go to the weight section and see how it felt lifting light weights. Surprisingly my shoulder felt fine, and I decided I would devote more time to weights along with my swimming. This has paid off, since then no elbow or shoulder issues.

I slowly worked my way up to 70 laps (briefly), but then quickly realized that was too much and cut back to 50 laps (100 lengths of the pool). I do 6 sets of 8 laps +2 to make it 50 (2500 meters), with a variety of strokes, side, breast, and crawl (freestyle) Mixing it up. My reasoning is that I don’t want repetitive motion injury and I think the variety helps.

I have some effective flippers which I use for about 14 laps, split up throughout the 50 laps. They make a significant difference for your legs. Note not all flippers are the same, the cheap silicon, lap flippers are not as effective. Arena brand is effective and reasonably priced. I use a lap snorkel for about 14 laps when I use my flippers, this because I started coming out of the pool with a sore neck. Too much neck rotation during freestyle swimming. A better technique also helps with that. And I have some hand paddles that I use for 8 laps. The caution there is don’t overdo those, work up your arm muscles slowly or you can create shoulder issues if you go too crazy with them.

My major dissapointment is that I am doing more exercise, putting out more effort time wise, then I did when I was young, but showing less for it. I’ve built some muscle, but my weight is still 218, 58 lbs above my running prime, at 71% lean body mass. At my age of 69, calories intake counts more than burning calories. I can burn 500 calories in the pool and wipe that out with one dessert, although that still is a 500 calorie net loss, it could be 1000 calories if I could get the sugar monkey off my back, a life long addiction.

My final tip is that to keep your goggles clear of fog, instead of purchasing an anti-fog product, at the end of a swim, you can simply put a small drop of shampoo on each lense, smear it around with your finger, let it sit a few minutes, and then give them a light, short (2 second) rinse with water. Then I toss them in my net bag and let them dry until the next swim.

Congratulations on your achievements! I remember when you first started this journey. Must feel good to see how far you’ve developed. It also shows it’s never too late to pick up a new skill. It really is a lifelong sport. I’m glad to see you’re less reliant on fins than you used to be.

Really the only major thing you have to worry about with prolonged swimming is shoulder issues, particularly if you have improper technique, but it’s not like other sports.

One of the biggest problem I see with people’s freestyle technique and the easiest to fix is rotating the head too far out of the water while breathing (and/or not turning their head at a perfect right angle, rather looking sideways and upwards). This makes A LOT more work for yourself moving through the water, ruins your balance in the water, etc. It can also induce neck/shoulder pain. In reality you *barely* need to lift your head or if the water. Just enough to basically move your lips in the desired direction to break the surface of the water to have just enough space to not suck in water.

I tend to go early in the morning so I’m primarily surrounded by older folks (I’m in my early 30’s, a lot of these swimmers are 50’s-70’s). I was doing some light competition a while back, which wasn’t so much competition as it was comradely. But that was still fun.

Currently I’m swimming generally about about 2.5-3 miles per day 3-5x a week so that’s going well. My wife is trying to get me run more… she just qualified for the Boston Marathon.

Interesting choices here with goggles here @Huntn and @scubachap. I’ve always gone with Speedo Vaquishers for general lap swimming and practice, which are more competition style streamlined goggles without being super uncomfortable like high end race goggles. Less drag. The goggles you guys are using certainly have more of a comfort factor but will add a bit of drag and if you’re worried about it look a little silly. If you were ever to compete, technically those goggles would not be approved. That said, I can see the benefit of having a better deal, better visibility, etc.

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Congratulations on your achievements! I remember when you first started this journey. Must feel good to see how far you’ve developed. It also shows it’s never too late to pick up a new skill. It really is a lifelong sport. I’m glad to see you’re less reliant on fins than you used to be.

Really the only major thing you have to worry about with prolonged swimming is shoulder issues, particularly if you have improper technique, but it’s not like other sports.

One of the biggest problem I see with people’s freestyle technique and the easiest to fix is rotating the head too far out of the water while breathing (and/or not turning their head at a perfect right angle, rather looking sideways and upwards). This makes A LOT more work for yourself moving through the water, ruins your balance in the water, etc. It can also induce neck/shoulder pain. In reality you *barely* need to lift your head or if the water. Just enough to basically move your lips in the desired direction to break the surface of the water to have just enough space to not suck in water.

I tend to go early in the morning so I’m primarily surrounded by older folks (I’m in my early 30’s, a lot of these swimmers are 50’s-70’s). I was doing some light competition a while back, which wasn’t so much competition as it was comradely. But that was still fun.

Currently I’m swimming generally about about 2.5-3 miles per day 3-5x a week so that’s going well. My wife is trying to get me run more… she just qualified for the Boston Marathon.

Interesting choices here with goggles here @Huntn and @scubachap. I’ve always gone with Speedo Vaquishers for general lap swimming and practice, which are more competition style streamlined goggles without being super uncomfortable like high end race goggles. Less drag. The goggles you guys are using certainly have more of a comfort factor but will add a bit of drag and if you’re worried about it look a little silly. If you were ever to compete, technically those goggles would not be approved. That said, I can see the benefit of having a better deal, better visibility, etc.

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I remember the issues you were having and glad you got beyond them! :)
 

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My ways to exercise are cycling and swimming, but prefer swimming. It's a great workout with no traffic or street crossings to worry about! My local community college pool has been closed due to the pandemic until recently, and now only open 1 1/2 hours at noon. Thinking about returning and be content with that.

According to the CDC, community swimming doesn't generally pose an increased infection risk, which is welcome news.
 
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Trying to get back to the pool. Our current situation is such that I need to be at home during lunchtime, which was when I used to go swimming. I’m not sure it will revert back any time soon, so I’ll have to develop a new time / routine. As far as goggles, I like the speedo vanquisher as well, and I had several pairs. Unfortunately my son took 1 pair, and I left another at the gym. So I need to build the collection back up.

I’m also waiting for the weather to warm up so I can do some open water swimming. The lake was 55° last week, which is too cold even with a wetsuit.
 
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