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ThailandToo

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I've done this switch just recently and picked up a Sammy S23 Ultra having sold my 14 Pro Max. I just feel that the iPhone as a platform (hardware) has stagnated and really needs a refresh. I liked the screen on my phone with it's hard corners and the pen is a nice little addition for fast notes/memos but the honeymoon is over and now it is rather annoying that Apple and it's hardware/software has so many walls to keep the little green robots at bay.

I don't want much, but the least thing Apple can do is please, please, please... release an AirPods app for Android. One exists for Beats but otherwise you're made to struggle.
Do you like that Ultra? I would like either the Ultra 24 or Fold 6. My friend has a Fold 5, and it seems nice. Cannot even see the crease in the display from head on. And it seems to have a lot of great features.

Like the OP, I would rather not give Google my business, but unlike the OP I appreciate Samsung and think they do things right most of the time.
 

okkibs

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I read that Motorola is slow at updating Android, but that’s not really a big concern to me
The previous Android (A13) had a major bug on many devices that allowed skipping the entire lockscreen and unlocking the phone without entering the device's code. It remains unfixed to this day in those models where A13 was their final Android version and the manufacturer stopped patching it before a fix was released.

Motorola is so slow with providing updates that even if such a problem were patched it could take months during which your only workaround to remain safe would be to put the device in a drawer.

Evidence of these delay issues with your very own Razr: Motorola only just release the first A14 version a few weeks ago in July even though that came out in 2023. We are close to A15! And your Razr is a flagship device! It's supposed to receive updates until 2027 but apparently customers don't even know if it will ever receive Android 15.

A cheap iPhone SE from 2020 still receives a new iOS version on day 1 like all the flagship iPhones. A cheap a series Pixel still receives a new Android on day 1. How is this joke that's Motorla acceptable and worth your money?

If you decide to stay Android, I would recommend a folding phone if you like the idea of it.
You mean a flip phone. The main issue I found was that anytime I wanted to use the phone for any reason at all I needed both hands to flip it open. Not a problem sitting at my desk but on the go it got old fast. With my smaller iPhone I can take it out of the pocket with one hand, it unlocks with Face ID immediately and I can swipe up with the thumb of the same hand and even type quick replies.

Foldables that aren't flip phones were also interesting but the only really good one I found was the Pixel Fold and that will only get 2 more Android versions (A15 and A16) but costs more than my iPhone did. If it were the same price as the iPhone with the same support times then I would have preferred it. But paying more money for worse support isn't something I consider and there's no Pixel Fold 2 and I needed to buy something.

People often ask why there needs to be a new iPhone every year and that the differences are really small but at least when I do need to replace my device there is a latest version with full update length available. With other smartphones you never really know if there's going to be a successor at all. Sometimes the entire phone design is turned upside down and it's not what you expected and wanted.
 
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zarmanto

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You mean a flip phone. The main issue I found was that anytime I wanted to use the phone for any reason at all I needed both hands to flip it open.
This tickles my nostalgia... because I remember what a real flip phone felt like, from back-in-the-day. You actually didn't need two hands to flip it open.

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Then I swapped my flip phone out for a SonyEricsson T610 "candybar" phone, and never went back to another flip phone thereafter.

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It vaguely amuses (and confuses) me that some people actually want to go back to flip phones.
 

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Do you like that Ultra? I would like either the Ultra 24 or Fold 6. My friend has a Fold 5, and it seems nice. Cannot even see the crease in the display from head on. And it seems to have a lot of great features.

Like the OP, I would rather not give Google my business, but unlike the OP I appreciate Samsung and think they do things right most of the time.

The phone is fantastic! Being the flagship of Samsung, its build quality really does match Apple. The battery lasts for two days on average. The S23 is made from steel so it's got some heft to it but I like the weight. It just feels solid as it should be. The ability to theme and customize every little detail on the OS is wonderful which really makes this phone stand out compared to iPhone.

I do miss the ease of the iPhone when it comes to using with my Mac but with a little work and some fiddling about, they get along okay just not the "It just works" moniker. I've had this phone for around seven months and haven't had a fault of the hardware and OS security updates come every month. The only downside is that it's a Samsung, meaning that, using it with any Apple device will be that much more of a PITA to get them both to work together despite different ecosystems.


(EDIT) I forgot to mention that I also had picked up a Galaxy Watch 6 Classic to use with S23U. I'd say that I haven't become the "power user" of both just yet, but it's my first experience using a non-apple ecosystem. As far as bells and whistles, id say that features are on par with the Apple Watch but I prefer a round watch face and the classic/modern look really appeals to me.
 
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Heat_Fan89

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It vaguely amuses (and confuses) me that some people actually want to go back to flip phones.
Those that want to go back to flip phones tend to be those that feel they have become slaves to smartphone technology. It amazes me and dumbfounds me how people are so enslaved to their smartphone devices. It's so common to see people everywhere just staring at their phones. I worked with an auto mechanic who during his idle time which turned out to be 50% of his day waiting for work just pulling up mindless videos on his phone.

There have been ongoing studies suggesting that it's not beneficial for people to spend much of their day on social media apps waiting to see if their comments were liked. There's a growing number of people who have said, enough. I want to take control and not be a slave to technology.

Here are some examples:




In my case, I do own smartphones but they are used for phone calls, texting and getting directions to a customers address. I don't do any social media. So, no I am not surprised to read that people want to go back to flip phones.
 

zarmanto

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Those that want to go back to flip phones tend to be those that feel they have become slaves to smartphone technology. ... In my case, I do own smartphones but they are used for phone calls, texting and getting directions to a customers address. I don't do any social media. So, no I am not surprised to read that people want to go back to flip phones.
Generally speaking, I do get what you're driving at; I tend to avoid Facebook for much the same reasons. That said... I would like to point out that you and I are kind'a contributing to social media right now, in this very forum. The MacRumors forum may not be one of the "Big Tech" social media sites, but I would argue that it still falls into roughly the same category, even if it happens to revolve around a more highly focused set of topics.

Besides, unless I've missed something specific, I'm pretty sure that the modern interpretations of "flip phones" aren't really going to do anything about the issues you raise, since they're just as much smartphones as any other.
 
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Heat_Fan89

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Generally speaking, I do get what you're driving at; I tend to avoid Facebook for much the same reasons. That said... I would like to point out that you and I are kind'a contributing to social media right now, in this very forum. The MacRumors forum may not be one of the "Big Tech" social media sites, but I would argue that it still falls into roughly the same category, even if it happens to revolve around a more highly focused set of topics.

Besides, unless I've missed something specific, I'm pretty sure that the modern interpretations of "flip phones" aren't really going to do anything about the issues you raise, since they're just as much smartphones as any other.
Flip phones are on the rise and I would have to disagree that flip phones are essentially, smartphones. Using a flip phone can be a tedious way to interact with the internet and others and I seriously doubt they have access to an app store to download social media apps. Even if that were possible it would not make for an enjoyable experience given the size of the screen and the modems used for those types of phones. Surely, anyone trying to use a flip phone as a smartphone would become pretty turned off with the experience. Even if a flip phone could be categorized as a smartphone, then why would a user abandon their smartphone for a flip phone in the first place? That wouldn't make any sense.

Flip phones are on the rise because they are the opposite of a smartphone.

 
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Harthag

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Flip phones are on the rise and I would have to disagree that flip phones are essentially, smartphones. Using a flip phone can be a tedious way to interact with the internet and others and I seriously doubt they have access to an app store to download social media apps. Even if that were possible it would not make for an enjoyable experience given the size of the screen and the modems used for those types of phones. Surely, anyone trying to use a flip phone as a smartphone would become pretty turned off with the experience. Even if a flip phone could be categorized as a smartphone, then why would a user abandon their smartphone for a flip phone in the first place? That wouldn't make any sense.

Flip phones are on the rise because they are the opposite of a smartphone.

I tried this several years ago, I think back in 2016. It was a colossal PITA. Sending a simple text message took a long time, not to mention trying to have a brief conversation over text with someone. Directions or navigation to get somewhere if I'm already out? Nope. Google / Samsung Pay? Nope. Hailing an Uber if needed? Nope. Buying tickets to attend an event at the last minute while out? Nope. Emergency video chat with loved ones? Nope. Not to mention the whole slew of business tasks that are impossible to get done if you're out of the office. I could go on and on.

I see the idea and emotion behind it, but it is just so stupid. To each his own.
 
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tornadowrangler

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Evidence of these delay issues with your very own Razr: Motorola only just release the first A14 version a few weeks ago in July even though that came out in 2023. We are close to A15! And your Razr is a flagship device! It's supposed to receive updates until 2027 but apparently customers don't even know if it will ever receive Android 15.
You really don't understand how much I don't care about any of that. As far as I'm concerned the phone can just work the way it did when I bought it and I'm happy. What the hell else do I need it to do? I'm trying to use my phone LESS, not more...


You mean a flip phone. The main issue I found was that anytime I wanted to use the phone for any reason at all I needed both hands to flip it open. Not a problem sitting at my desk but on the go it got old fast. With my smaller iPhone I can take it out of the pocket with one hand, it unlocks with Face ID immediately and I can swipe up with the thumb of the same hand and even type quick replies.
The little physical and mental barrier of opening it means I won't just mindlessly turn it on and start looking at stuff for no reason as often. Also, our lives are already pretty goddamn easy. If I can't meet the challenge of opening my phone to use it, am I really alive?
 

tornadowrangler

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Like the OP, I would rather not give Google my business, but unlike the OP I appreciate Samsung and think they do things right most of the time.
My decision to not get a Samsung doesn't have to do with their products. I live in the town where they are building that giganti-freakin-diculous Samsung factory in central Texas. Most of us that have lived here our entire lives are pretty upset about it. Taylor had avoided the hyper-growth that completely destroyed many other small/medium towns around Austin, and managed to grow at a slow, sustainable rate. Population went from 10,000 to 20,000 in my 42 year lifetime. Now they are saying this factory is going to make the town explode.

So, basically it's just out of spite.
 

ThailandToo

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My decision to not get a Samsung doesn't have to do with their products. I live in the town where they are building that giganti-freakin-diculous Samsung factory in central Texas. Most of us that have lived here our entire lives are pretty upset about it. Taylor had avoided the hyper-growth that completely destroyed many other small/medium towns around Austin, and managed to grow at a slow, sustainable rate. Population went from 10,000 to 20,000 in my 42 year lifetime. Now they are saying this factory is going to make the town explode.

So, basically it's just out of spite.
I understand. That makes sense. Usually small towns need jobs but if you have been there that long you probably don’t care about jobs…

I wish I had bought a Samsung instead of the Pixel 8 Pro. And the worst part was I put it on T-Mobile so when I travel I have to contact T-Mobile to get them to unlock the SIM slot temporarily for travel. At least it has a SIM slot - hate Apple for that decision as it’s just not easy in most of the world to get eSIM yet. And it’s a fraction of the price when spending five months overseas each year at less than $10 for a whole month of a local SIM with basically unlimited data versus about that much per day from T-Mobile.

US companies are so filled with greed! I have a condo in Thailand and all of our utilities cost about $100 per month which AC is set to cold so electricity, home Internet at 200Mbps, and even our mobile phone plans are added into that $100 per month. And with our Internet service we get free cable TV and streaming of several apps with the plan.

And Thailand is not even a “free” country as in freedoms are gone since its Military rules the government as of 2014. Even living in Japan-Tokyo, we spend less than half our US expenses. It’s all greed in the US. So sad.
 

zarmanto

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Flip phones are on the rise because they are the opposite of a smartphone.

Ahhh... there's the disconnect. I (and others) were referring to the newer generation of "flip phones," which are usually full screen smartphones that just happen to also fold in half. You, on the other hand, appear to be using "flip phones" as an analog for "dumb phones"... but they aren't (and weren't) necessarily always synonymous. Even in today's market, there are dumb phones in the classic candybar form factor as well.
 
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Bandoholic

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As someone who’s been using iPhone since the first model came out in 2007, I have it various times, tried to use an android phone. It just did not feel right to me, iPhone for life for me.
 
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