That's what you got? You clearly didn't get it then.
From what I can gather these two guys are incredible Apple-haters and any time Apple comes up you can read the resentment / hatefulness towards the brand and its products. I don't think they'll ever recognise the redeemable and downright amazing qualities of Apple. Whilst Apple is not perfect, there's a great case for supporting and loving the brand and its products too. These guys won't accept it.
Anytime a Mac / Apple solution is recommended they'll talk it down, point fingers at Apple for having problems and recommend avoiding it.
This is the Alternatives to Mac section, so it's the place for in-depth discussion of non-Apple hardware / software ~'solutions', of course. But, in saying that, there's no need for the anti-Apple agenda either. For most people, especially MacRumors users, they own or are considering a Mac and when it comes to Windows and Alternatives, Apple is still a very real consideration and/or option for them, so it's always involved. This is where the negative slamming of Apple begins.
While Apple has made some mistakes, these guys get incredibly defensive when the mistakes of say, Lenovo or Microsoft are mentioned and are quick to point at users 'not understanding' Windows or 'not being pro users' as justification. They talk about how happy they are to have left Apple and never look back, only thing is, when you have to repeatedly say it.. you know.
It's pretty indisputable that Macs are renowned for being incredibly easy to use, they house some Mac only software that for some people will never be matched, Apple looks after its customers, as of lately it actively listens to its customers for its new products, it has free education initiatives, physical stores (around the world), great support options and not-yet-matched device support for up to five years or more. To write them off as 'a disaster' is to discount this.
Most people here who use Windows are happy enough to forego all of this, and the Mac / Apple for specific strengths of non Apple products. Be it the user replaceable / upgradeable laptops Lenovo make, or the more tinker-friendly options Windows 10 allows end users versus the Mac. They don't care that they'll need to post off their machine for at least a week for repairs, that their built in speakers sound like trash, that battery life doesn't compare to a Mac. That's fine. More power to them. Some people have a limited number of features that they want to be outstanding, and couldn't care a less about the rest. I wish I could be like this, but Apple has me spoilt and my needs can accommodate where Apple is limited.
But they get incredibly moody when someone discusses the fact that, for most people, the well balanced approach taken by Apple where every single product is easy to use, easy to understand, won't let them down except for in extreme circumstances.. Let me demonstrate:
My friend with his gaming PC boasts about how his laptop can smoke my cousins 2015 MacBook Pro retina. On paper, it's got a better processor, more cores, power, double the Ram, still an SSD, etc - better on paper. For gaming, MacBook Pro will never compete. Ever. BUT, in reality, for my cousin (a typical user, who by no means needs a Mac at all, but has one) he sits there next to my friend, as they show each other stuff on their computers from YouTube videos to music, and here's how it goes: Firstly, you can still SEE the MBP display in the sunlight. To more than useable extent, the gaming laptop is barely visible. They play music, the MBP sounds clear, it's loud, no poor quality. The PC? Speakers are trash. Flat, whiny and not loud. The Mac doesn't have the charger plugged in, running out the door like the PC does. The Mac fans are running in the hot sun, but not possible to hear. The PC is like a jet turbine. So, for this bog standard user, who wins? The Mac, for this real life scenario where the computer is used socially, in the real world in a mobile setting and the 'inferior' Mac comes up better. The user had a better experience.
This is what owning a Mac means to most people. So even if they're not a 'pro', the Mac still comes up better in many, many, many situations my friends.
Don't write them off as trash, because it can truly be argued the other way around. And I don't mean in a PC vs Mac wars thing, I mean using rational, logical and real world experiences. Not even being 'a fanboy'.
So, hope this helps balance out the anti-Apple agenda, as I keep seeing here.