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Thankful for base M4 Mac mini

Mr_Brightside_@ said:
AFAIK this setting follows the lowest setting across all devices - you better check if your iPhone is stuff older than 30 days.
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Interesting. I’ve got it set to “keep forever” on iMessage in my phone and I can see messages all the way back to 2015 there. Also it takes up 150.3 GB of storage on the device. But maybe what you mean is it’s not backing those up passed 30 days to iCloud through the iCloud iMessage? I assume it’s at least backing them up on the iCloud phone backup.

What a mess
 
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Lift Bar said:
Interesting. I’ve got it set to “keep forever” on iMessage in my phone and I can see messages all the way back to 2015 there. Also it takes up 150.3 GB of storage on the device. But maybe what you mean is it’s not backing those up passed 30 days to iCloud through the iCloud iMessage? I assume it’s at least backing them up on the iCloud phone backup.

What a mess
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Messages are not stored in iCloud backups when messages in the cloud are enabled.
 
Mr_Brightside_@ said:
Messages are not stored in iCloud backups when messages in the cloud are enabled.
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Thanks for your help with this I didn’t realize just how confused I am about this.

What would you suggest I do to enable some kind of backup of the old messages which I do currently have access to on my iPhone?
 
Mr_Brightside_@ said:
Store them forever on the Mac and then they'll backup via Time Machine
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Ah, so I’ll need to purchase an upgraded Mac with a real amount of storage. Haha this is amazing. I do believe you tho. Any other way?

Edit: and what about this sad old iPad with 64GB of storage? Is there a way to disable iMessage on it to not destroy my old backups of iMessage through proper storage devices?
 
Mr_Brightside_@ said:
Make a symlink to wherever Messages are stored on macOS to your external.
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Quit Messages and back up the Messages folder from ~/Library/Messages. Move the folder to your external drive. Open Terminal and create a symlink with the command ln -s /Volumes/DriveName/Messages ~/Library/Messages. Restart Messages to verify it works.

This feels like the kind of workaround that works briefly until a macOS update inevitably breaks it. It’s a classic “outsmart Apple” move that ends with me posting on MacRumors a few months from now, lamenting lost backups. Sad.
 
I can see that you dont' understand finances so let me help you out. The charge on the CC was 295.90 + the value of the trade in mini which you paid for before so you ended up paying the full amount - $100 edu discount.

Simple as that. Don't spread confussion - you paid for the mini full edu price!

ivnj said:
The Charge on my credit card was 295 dollars and 90 cents. So it was half. More than half.
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Gloor said:
I can see that you dont' understand finances so let me help you out. The charge on the CC was 295.90 + the value of the trade in mini which you paid for before so you ended up paying the full amount - $100 edu discount.

Simple as that. Don't spread confussion - you paid for the mini full edu price!
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The M1 was already bought 4 years ago. So that does not count. Because if I did not give it to Apple it would sir there and collect dust. So the tradein counts.
 
Of course it counts. You had an asset with a value and you 'sold' the asset to Apple for a price. Than you used that money towards new purchase which cost you the full edu price.
Your logic is flawed as you are mixing 2 things together.

Had you taken the mini and put it up on ebay (or something similar) you could have gotten more money. Lets just say you did and you got cash for it. That is it - you had real cash in hand and you decided to put it towards another purchase, in this case new mac mini. So, you can twist it all you want but you paid FULL EDU PRICE!

There is nothing like 'free lunch' in this economy.

ivnj said:
The M1 was already bought 4 years ago. So that does not count. Because if I did not give it to Apple it would sir there and collect dust. So the tradein counts.
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Gloor said:
Of course it counts. You had an asset with a value and you 'sold' the asset to Apple for a price. Than you used that money towards new purchase which cost you the full edu price.
Your logic is flawed as you are mixing 2 things together.

Had you taken the mini and put it up on ebay (or something similar) you could have gotten more money. Lets just say you did and you got cash for it. That is it - you had real cash in hand and you decided to put it towards another purchase, in this case new mac mini. So, you can twist it all you want but you paid FULL EDU PRICE!

There is nothing like 'free lunch' in this economy.
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I thinks he’s probably trolling, right?
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Right?
 
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Lift Bar said:
Even though I’ve been trying to practice less gratitude lately, it’s hard not to appreciate this lovely M4 Mac Mini. It sits quietly beneath the cheapest possible 42-inch 4K TV from Costco on my oversized desk, running so fast and so silently.

Its limited storage has actually been a blessing in disguise, forcing me to keep everything on an external drive. This has introduced a level of organization I’ve never had before, unlike with every other Mac I’ve owned where I let Apple’s “optimize storage” feature handle things, only to face chaos when it inevitably didn’t work quite right.

Starting off with the rule that anything not using a web browser goes on the external drive has been a game-changer. Apps stay on the internal storage, keeping everything lean and efficient.

The only thing I miss is having easy access to old iMessages, but I’ve got those saved on other machines, so it’s not a dealbreaker.

Highly recommend it for anyone who doesn’t absolutely need more RAM or internal storage right now.
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Why are you trying to practice less gratitude? :)
And what went wrong with 'optimise storage'? Seems like a great feature which has worked for my wife for 5 years without issues.
 
Andrey84 said:
Why are you trying to practice less gratitude? :)
And what went wrong with 'optimise storage'? Seems like a great feature which has worked for my wife for 5 years without issues.
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I still have optimized storage on. But just trying not to rely on it too heavily. Things get really weird when you try and use more storage than you have available on the internal. It works until it doesn’t.
 
ivnj said:
The M1 was already bought 4 years ago. So that does not count. Because if I did not give it to Apple it would sir there and collect dust. So the tradein counts.
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If you'd had $295.90 in pennies collecting dust (lots of hassle to cash in, but if Apple made it easy by accepting them in bulk (knowing Apple, this might be a flawed argument, haha), then your Mac mini would have been free! ;)
 
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Lift Bar said:
Quit Messages and back up the Messages folder from ~/Library/Messages. Move the folder to your external drive. Open Terminal and create a symlink with the command ln -s /Volumes/DriveName/Messages ~/Library/Messages. Restart Messages to verify it works.

This feels like the kind of workaround that works briefly until a macOS update inevitably breaks it. It’s a classic “outsmart Apple” move that ends with me posting on MacRumors a few months from now, lamenting lost backups. Sad.
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I don’t know why you think so since this is a common practice across different operating systems.
 
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redheeler said:
I don’t know why you think so since this is a common practice across different operating systems.
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Sure. Symlinks are common, Apple’s ecosystem isn’t always friendly.

Could break by changing file paths, tightening permissions, or ignoring external drives with SIP or iCloud syncing. Updates often migrate system data, and a symlink could disrupt that process.
 
By being "less grateful" it means you don't accept bad service/behavior/whatever where previously you would.

Personally speaking, I have been nice to a fault. Now I tell people what I think when I get treated badly.
 
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