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The 2009 (Penryn) iMac: Everything We Know

illegallydead said:
I could see them doing that potentially, but there would have to be a little more than that to differentiate them. If they would really bill it as you described, I would think more noticable of a difference would be in order... guess we'll find out soon (I hope, for all your sakes... I will not be in the market for another 2-3 years, I hope...)
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It could be said that the difference between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro isn't as big as it used to be. Also, I basically got the "20-inch iMac = MacBook and 24-inch iMac = MacBook Pro" idea when I considered the possibility that the 20" iMac will not be able to handle the 65 W quad-cores. So I can also see the 20" being limited to mobile dual-cores while the 24" gets quad-cores, a significant differentiation point. The distinction would really be noticeable if the 20" gets the 9400M and the 24" gets the 9600M GT. But the high-end 20" has the 8600M right now, so maybe the new high-end 20" will also get the 9600M, and so the differentiation won't be as much as with the notebooks.

An interesting thing I just thought of is that the high-end MacBook and low-end MacBook Pro have the same CPU. So even if the two sizes of iMac diverge, they would likely diverge in a different way from the notebooks.
 
iMacmatician said:
It could be said that the difference between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro isn't as big as it used to be. Also, I basically got the "20-inch iMac = MacBook and 24-inch iMac = MacBook Pro" idea when I considered the possibility that the 20" iMac will not be able to handle the 65 W quad-cores. So I can also see the 20" being limited to mobile dual-cores while the 24" gets quad-cores, a significant differentiation point. The distinction would really be noticeable if the 20" gets the 9400M and the 24" gets the 9600M GT. But the high-end 20" has the 8600M right now, so maybe the new high-end 20" will also get the 9600M, and so the differentiation won't be as much as with the notebooks.

An interesting thing I just thought of is that the high-end MacBook and low-end MacBook Pro have the same CPU. So even if the two sizes of iMac diverge, they would likely diverge in a different way from the notebooks.
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Huh, that is definitely an interesting point. I guess I am thinking along the terms of the notebook lines where things are generally more easily differentiated. However, the PC market is very similar in that it is hard to differentiate model to model, so maybe Apple is on the road to becoming less uptight about there super-well-defined product lines? This would be awesome IMO, as it could lead the way to eventually filling some of the gaping holes in the product lines. Heres hoping :D
 
I really don't think they'll throw in a MDP to DVI adapter in the box. They didn't for the MacBook or MacBook Pro. So why would they include one now?
 
Great thread!

Though I'm a bit dubious on the viability of putting the Macbook Pro GPU in the 24 inch, reason being, I don't recall Apple using the same GPU in both the iMac and MBP lines in recent times.
 
iMacmatician said:
But the high-end 20" has the 8600M right now, so maybe the new high-end 20" will also get the 9600M, and so the differentiation won't be as much as with the notebooks.
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I just checked Apple's site and the high end 20" iMac only carries the ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro?
 
I know the technical specs and whatnot are there on the first post (and yeah I know it's speculation), I have a question...

Lets say the models that do come up after the refresh are exactly like the ones posted here where the 20 inch models are dual cores and different graphics while the 24 inches are upgraded to whatever it shows there.

Can someone explain the REAL difference between the high end 20 and low end 24? Will it be a big jump in speed in graphics? Not very noticeable? Does it depend, and if so on what?
 
NorrisKillsKids said:
I know the technical specs and whatnot are there on the first post (and yeah I know it's speculation), I have a question...

Lets say the models that do come up after the refresh are exactly like the ones posted here where the 20 inch models are dual cores and different graphics while the 24 inches are upgraded to whatever it shows there.

Can someone explain the REAL difference between the high end 20 and low end 24? Will it be a big jump in speed in graphics? Not very noticeable? Does it depend, and if so on what?
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If you look at current models, there is 0.14GHz faster processor and that's all (bigger HDD too). 24" has better screen too. I bet that they'll use same GPUs in high end 20" and low end 24". IF you want bigger screen you buy 24", that's the biggest difference.
 
Flying Dutchman said:
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Blu-ray: Not yet. Its still too much "a bag of hurt" for Apple. And like my collegue Tallest Skil mentioned:
" I believe that they don't care about Blu-ray in ANY market and will only add it when they are forced to admit that broadband Internet infrastructure is progressing too slowly for Super Hi-Vision iTunes movies to be a viable option. I stand by the 2015 date. If there is any evidence to the contrary, please post it."
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You have got to be kidding. Stand by a date so far off as to ensure no one recalls the quote. Damn... talk about NOT taking a real stand. Claims like that are just idiotic
 
NorrisKillsKids said:
I=Can someone explain the REAL difference between the high end 20 and low end 24? Will it be a big jump in speed in graphics? Not very noticeable? Does it depend, and if so on what?
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currently, the display on the 24" is higher quality than the 20"
not sure if that will stay the same in the refresh, but it holds true for now
 
Shivetya said:
You have got to be kidding. Stand by a date so far off as to ensure no one recalls the quote. Damn... talk about NOT taking a real stand. Claims like that are just idiotic
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Uh huh. I would have thought the point was that when it does actually come at that date, we'll look back and see that I called it over six years prior and that it wasn't a wild guess but that I had a reason.

If you'd like, I'll repost my rationale for this date.
 
Tallest Skil said:
Uh huh. I would have thought the point was that when it does actually come at that date, we'll look back and see that I called it over six years prior and that it wasn't a wild guess but that I had a reason.

If you'd like, I'll repost my rationale for this date.
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Agree with my collegue over here, right now there is really honestly no reason for Apple to invest in putting Blu-ray in their computers. If you have a beter reasoning than Tallest Skil (which you should most definitely read) I'll be happy to change the Blu-ray section with your idea's. Until that time, this is how it stays
 
I thought Apple themselves said Bluray wasn't worth it for a long time as recently as MWSF 09?
 
What is this thing about Blu-ray? It isn't so cool. I don't want to pay 200-400€ extra to get it. People don't watch movies from computer, they have TVs for that. Only thing that is useful is backups, but BR disk costs way too much still, maybe when prices are lower.
 
Hellhammer said:
What is this thing about Blu-ray? It isn't so cool. I don't want to pay 200-400€ extra to get it. People don't watch movies from computer, they have TVs for that. Only thing that is useful is backups, but BR disk costs way too much still, maybe when prices are lower.
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The competition has it, apple needs to get it as well.. Competition can still keep their prices down with BR included, so should apple.
 
wesleyh said:
The competition has it, apple needs to get it as well.. Competition can still keep their prices down with BR included, so should apple.
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No they don't. Apple has historically had no problem avoiding what their competition does. There is no reason for them to have BR and I recall Jobs saying he doesn't like the technology.

Why would they want to pay for someone elese technology if there is no real want or need in the marketplace?
 
So new releases come out on Tuesdays, or is that a thing of the past... I think I'm going to pick one up on Weds if there isn't any more word on a new iMac coming soon.
 
FAIL said:
So new releases come out on Tuesdays, or is that a thing of the past... I think I'm going to pick one up on Weds if there isn't any more word on a new iMac coming soon.
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Unless you really need one, I would wait it out for another 4-6 weeks. Most of us are fairly certain that we'll see refreshed iMacs between now and the end of March.

Bryan
 
Bryan Bowler said:
Most of us are fairly certain that we'll see refreshed iMacs between now and the end of March.

Bryan
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That's my bet too. It's been almost 10 months without update so it must happen very soon. I can't see it happening in Q2, doesn't make sense for me.

People, it'll not come with Snow Leopard so stop those guesses/hopes. SL comes in Q2 or Q3.
 
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