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Looking through some of Monday's football headlines, I think it is disgraceful behavior of the sports media to try and put into the minds of football fans that Arsenal's disallowed goal was because the referee happened to be a Liverpool supporter and thus wanted Arsenal to lose so Liverpool would be at the top of the league.

This report is an example of what the sports media had written

Just the usual press doing their thing. I mean it totally worked to. Your outraged. You reposted the story. More people click on the story. More advertising revenue.

Sounds like a win for them.

Btw agree it’s a nothing story.
 
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I have never been a reader of - let alone fan of - the British tabloid media, whether for sports or for anything else.

If I want to read sports news, I'll read the sports section of a reputable publication.
 

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A lot of Women's Football - Champions League- ahead to watch for me:

13/12 - Rosengård - Barcelona
14/12 - Chelsea - Häcken
20/12 - Häcken - Chelsea
21/12 - Barcelona - Rosengård

Rosengård vs. Barcelona
Ah well, I think Barca will take it, as Rosengård have a lot of injuries as well for the moment. I really hope that Fridolina Rölfö is back from her knee injury to do at least some minutes for Barca in any of the games. Small hopes, she's highly missed in our National Team 🙏🏻

Häcken vs. Chelsea
I have good hopes for Häcken, they have played really good lately.
But then Chelsea have uhm, Sam Kerr, and quite some Swedes too. It will be a fun game I'm sure of!
I'll probably watch the Barca games...maybe the Chelsea one too last days of Emma Hayes afterall
 
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It would seem the now ex president of Turkish club MKE Ankaragucu is unrepentant of his attack on the referee because I have just read the press report he put out which basically blames the bad decision making of the referee for his attacking him, regardless of what he said.

Koca later issued a statement via Ankaragucu saying he had resigned as club president and apologising for his actions.

"No matter how great an injustice or how wrong [the officiating] was, nothing can legitimise or explain the violence that I perpetrated," he said.

He has not even publicly apologised to the ref for attacking him either.
 

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Looking through some of Monday's football headlines, I think it is disgraceful behavior of the sports media to try and put into the minds of football fans that Arsenal's disallowed goal was because the referee happened to be a Liverpool supporter and thus wanted Arsenal to lose so Liverpool would be at the top of the league.

This report is an example of what the sports media had written


Yes, it is ridiculous. Havertz' goal was disallowed because it was a blatant handball. Nothing more.

Shocking news from Turkey.

MKE Ankaragucu president Faruk Koca ran onto the pitch and struck match official Halil Umut Meler after his team conceded a 97th-minute equaliser in a 1-1 draw with Caykur Rizespor.

Poor chap has suffered a fracture and is set to quit refereeing. Rightly so.

I hope this clown gets thrown in jail with the keys thrown away, and his club gets fined AND docked points.

Absolute knobhead garbage.

I've been critical of refereeing performances. But in no way should they, or anyone, be subject to violence from an emotional 5yr old in a grown man's body.
That was utterly disgusting. The violent thug has been arrested and is in detention awaiting trial, I understand, and rightly so. The referee was then further violently assaulted by thugs who ran onto the pitch, as he lay on the ground. Utter cowardice. But the fact that the club president is a politician of the current far-right wing Erdogan government, shows that the problems lie much deeper than just football. I pray that Turkey can come to its senses and get rid of this vile regime, but I fear they may well be deeply entrenched in their position of power, and not be too willing to relinquish it.
 
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It would seem the now ex president of Turkish club MKE Ankaragucu is unrepentant of his attack on the referee because I have just read the press report he put out which basically blames the bad decision making of the referee for his attacking him, regardless of what he said.



He has not even publicly apologised to the ref for attacking him either.
Global liftetime ban from all football would be an appropriate civil punishment.
From a criminal perspective, I'd say the Turkish equivalent of assault with intent to injure would be the least he should be charged with (and found guilty of).
 

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It would seem the now ex president of Turkish club MKE Ankaragucu is unrepentant of his attack on the referee because I have just read the press report he put out which basically blames the bad decision making of the referee for his attacking him, regardless of what he said.

It's almost a non-apology apology...stop making it about yourself, just apologize for what you did. It could have been the worst call in the history of reffing, that doesn't remotely justify physically attacking and injuring someone.
 
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It's almost a non-apology apology...stop making it about yourself, just apologize for what you did. It could have been the worst call in the history of reffing, that doesn't remotely justify physically attacking and injuring someone.
Exactly. The referee awarding the opposition a penalty when the incident happened in YOUR penalty area should not result in assault, let alone whatever actually happened!
No excuse. Make a heartfelt apology and accept your punishment. That is the very least that should happen.
 

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No UCL and no UEL for United. Thank goodness.

Fully expecting a "Stop! Stop! He's already dead" result at Anfield this weekend.
I'm concerned that it could actually preclude Ten Hag being sacked. Which could be a shame, as I've said many times; he's doing a great job! 🤣 But I do hope Liverpool play well. They may be top, but they're still only at 80%of what they were during their title winning season. They're scraping wins against crap teams they would have been demolishing 4/5-0.
 

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It's almost a non-apology apology...stop making it about yourself, just apologize for what you did. It could have been the worst call in the history of reffing, that doesn't remotely justify physically attacking and injuring someone.

Exactly. The referee awarding the opposition a penalty when the incident happened in YOUR penalty area should not result in assault, let alone whatever actually happened!
No excuse. Make a heartfelt apology and accept your punishment. That is the very least that should happen.
Agree completely with both of you; this is inexcusable.

And, on a closely related topic, I have to say that I deeply dislike - really detest - the behaviour of some Premier League players after a decision by a referee that they don't much care for.

This crowding of the ref by the team, shouting in the ref's face, the sheer unpleasant aggression of it all (irrespective of whether the decision is disliked, disagreed with, or perceived to have been unjust, if not wrong) is an element of the Premier League that seems to have become ever more pronounced.
 

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No UCL and no UEL for United. Thank goodness.

Fully expecting a "Stop! Stop! He's already dead" result at Anfield this weekend.
They didn't deserve to qualify on the strength of their performances.

Moreover, the much vilified Maguire - who hobbled off injured - has been one of their better players for the past month.
 

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Agree completely with both of you; this is inexcusable.

And, on a closely related topic, I have to say that I deeply dislike - really detest - the behaviour of some Premier League players after a decision by a referee that they don't much care for.

This crowding of the ref by the team, shouting in the ref's face, the sheer unpleasant aggression of it all (irrespective of whether the decision is disliked, disagreed with, or perceived to have been unjust, if not wrong) is an element of the Premier League that seems to have become ever more pronounced.
This is a failure of both club managers and club owners/directors not enforcing the new rules of the game on to the players. As this 2023 ESPN article explains about the new 2023 season, crowding around the ref is no longer allowed:


Teams to be punished for surrounding a referee, poor behavior​

The sight of several players surrounding a referee to protest a decision has grown in recent years, and last season the English Football Association charged more clubs than ever before due to this poor behavior.

Now, a strict code of conduct will be applied, otherwise known as the Participant Charter, developed in partnership with the League Managers Association and Professional Footballers' Association. The aim is to stop copycat behavior at all levels, and change the way players act towards officials. In other sports the referee is treated with far more respect and, in time, Webb wants this to be mirrored in football.

Captains are expected to take responsibility for their teammates and if multiple players crowd the referee, or their personal is space invaded, at least one will be cautioned and reported to the FA, which may take further action against the club.

but yet we see time and time again this season of players crowding around the ref. The new rules are there and the ref's need to strictly enforce them, especially the crowding around the ref, poor behavior one, but as we see, many of the ref's do not.
 

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They didn't deserve to qualify on the strength of their performances.

Moreover, the much vilified Maguire - who hobbled off injured - has been one of their better players for the past month.
Ever since Maguire was told he was no longer required by the club and can leave he's been putting in very good performances for the club. the ONLY reason he is still at the club is because of injuries to a number of key defenders. I think one football reporter said that Maguire was now 4th/5th choice defender at the club.
 

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If United lose the Liverpool game, I wonder if the club will sack ETH and get a new manager in before the opening of the January transfer window to allow any new manager the chance to sign a couple of players of their choosing to slip in along side the existing squad because I am sure any new manager would not want some of the players that have been left over by other managers.
 

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If United lose the Liverpool game, I wonder if the club will sack ETH and get a new manager in before the opening of the January transfer window to allow any new manager the chance to sign a couple of players of their choosing to slip in along side the existing squad because I am sure any new manager would not want some of the players that have been left over by other managers.
"Get?"

Surely, you mean 'appoint'?

And that begs the question of just exactly who would wish to apply for such a position?

While the expression "poisoned chalice" might have been coined to describe it, I suspect that you would have to be completely out of your mind to want to apply for it - or, even think of - applying for it.

How many managers have Manchester United run through - that is, invited to apply for the position, been interviewed, appointed, and subsequently sacked or fired - since the legendary Sir Alex Ferguson retired?

Let's have a brief reminder of both the names and the sequence: David Moyes; Ryan Giggs; Louis van Gaal; José Mourinho; Ole Gunnar Solskjaer (temporary/care-taker capacity and permanent); Michael Carrick (very briefly); Ralf Rangnick; and with that, we arrive at the tenure of the current incumbent, Erik ten Hag.

Ten managers in as many years.

That is a sorry record.

And the stadium roof leaks. This has been reported on several occasions, in recent years, and it remains an enduring mystery (to me, at least) that this is, as yet, unaddressed in a club where both salaries (and profits) are colossal, and sometimes, stratospheric.

There is an interesting and thoughtful article (by Barney Ronay) in today's Guardian, which argues that the person who holds the position of manager for Manchester United must simultaneously (attempt to) fulfil or manage three concurrent roles.

The first of these is the challenge of having to manage the past "while the ghost of Hamlet’s father still skulks in the eaves" - the storied and legendary past of the club - which, as Ronay writes, "is constantly in the room and which skews every act, achievement and expectation".

Secondly, Ronay argues, is the fact that the unfortunate manager must also "manage the dysfunction of the present", (a state of affairs that includes stuff such as leaking roofs), while, thirdly, and finally, the manager is expected to "manage the everyday metrics on which you will be judged; team, results, style, energy, messaging".

Seriously, guys, there are standards to maintain: In a division where many of the clubs have built new stadia, or upgraded their old stadia, or acquired a new stadium, over the past two decades, fixing a leaking stadium roof should not be beyond wit, or financial planning, and should be the bare minimum of the club's explicitly stated ambitions.

As a metaphor, it is irresistible; as an actual and embarrassing fact, it is inexcusable.

Fix the roof, and then ask whether you need to appoint an eleventh individual to managing the sorry business of trying to rescue Manchester United from the twin burdens of the weight of their heavy history and the absurd levels of entitlement of some of their fans while trying to put together a football team that actually works.
 
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"Get?"

Surely, you mean 'appoint'?

And that begs the question of just exactly who would wish to apply for such a position?

While the expression "poisoned chalice" might have been coined to describe it, I suspect that you would have to be completely out of your mind to apply for it.

How many managers have Manchester United run through - that is, invited to apply for the position, been interviewed, appointed, and subsequently sacked or fired - since the legendary Sir Alex Ferguson retired?

Let's have a brief reminder of both the names and the sequence: David Moyes; Ryan Giggs; Louis van Gaal; José Mourinho; Ole Gunnar Solskjaer (temporary/care-taker capacity and permanent); Michael Carrick (very briefly); Ralf Rangnick; and with that, we arrive at the tenure of the current incumbent, Erik ten Hag.

Ten managers in as many years.

That is a sorry record.

And the stadium roof leaks. This has been reported on several occasions, in recent years, and it remains an enduring mystery that this is, as yet, unaddressed in a club where salaries (and profits) are colossal.

There is an interesting and thoughtful article (by Barney Ronay) in today's Guardian, which argues that the person who holds the position of manager for Manchester United must simultaneously (attempt to) fulfil or manage three concurrent roles.

The first of these is the challenge of having to manage the past "while the ghost of Hamlet’s father still skulks in the eaves" - the storied and legendary past of the club - which, as Ronay writes, "is constantly in the room and which skews every act, achievement and expectation".

Secondly, Ronay argues, is the fact that the unfortunate manager must also "manage the dysfunction of the present", (a state of affairs that includes stuff such as leaking roofs), while, thirdly, and finally, the manager is expected to "manage the everyday metrics on which you will be judged; team, results, style, energy, messaging".

Seriously, guys, there are standards to maintain: In a division where many of the clubs have built new stadia, or upgraded their old stadia, or acquired a new stadium, over the past two decades, fixing a leaking stadium roof should not be beyond wit, or finace, and should be the bare minimum of the club's stated ambitions.

As a metaphor, it is irresistible; as an actual and embarrrassing fact, it is inexcusable.

Fix the roof, and then ask whether you need to appoint an eleventh individual to managing the sorry business of trying to rescue Manchester United from the twin burdens of weight of their heavy history and the absurd levels of entitlement of some of their fans while trying to put together a football team that actually works.
The problem with United is the owners. As you rightly point out other clubs have fixed problems with their stadiums but not United. Other club owners have fixed other things that have affected their club but not United's owners. They have pumped money into transfer money and players wages, they have pumped money into the pockets of the club owners (the Glazer children) but they appeared to have done nothing on repairing and updating the clubs infrastructure. I've seen pictures taken by stadium visiting United fans and some by away fans and they show numerous cracks in the stadium brickwork, broken seats, water leaking from the roof, crumbling concrete on the terraces and this has been going on ever since the father Malcom Glazer passed away and left his children in charge.

Maybe the stadium falling apart has been a symbolic symbol of the team falling apart because ever since the stadium have been left to rot, so has the team irrespective of how much money has been spent on transfers.

Who are the ones that can hold club owners accountable? the fan's and where does the main voice of the fan's come from? the official supports club/trust and where has the voice of United's official supporters club been? extremely quiet and why? because they like many others do not want to rock the boat at United for fear of being banished/blacklisted by the club. Journalists who have been critical/outspoken against the club have been banished from the club, ex players who have spoken out against the club, banished.

The Glazers are being allowed to run the stadium to the ground because no one is holding them to account because those who do have the power of voice wont use it because they are worried they will lose the golden goose that lays the golden egg (being banished from the ground).
 

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If United lose the Liverpool game, I wonder if the club will sack ETH and get a new manager in before the opening of the January transfer window to allow any new manager the chance to sign a couple of players of their choosing to slip in along side the existing squad because I am sure any new manager would not want some of the players that have been left over by other managers.

I don't think sacking ETH before the end of the season is going to address any of the primary problems at the club. Also with a new part-owner (eventually, if the Glazers can bring themselves to make a decision) coming in, making this sort of change before he arrives is not the way it's usually done.

ETH may be a dead man walking now, but there is nothing to be gained by hastily finding a new manager at this point. I assume he'll be in the dugout at least until Ratcliffe arrives.
 
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"Get?"

Surely, you mean 'appoint'?

And that begs the question of just exactly who would wish to apply for such a position?

While the expression "poisoned chalice" might have been coined to describe it, I suspect that you would have to be completely out of your mind to want to apply for it - or, even think of - applying for it.

How many managers have Manchester United run through - that is, invited to apply for the position, been interviewed, appointed, and subsequently sacked or fired - since the legendary Sir Alex Ferguson retired?

Let's have a brief reminder of both the names and the sequence: David Moyes; Ryan Giggs; Louis van Gaal; José Mourinho; Ole Gunnar Solskjaer (temporary/care-taker capacity and permanent); Michael Carrick (very briefly); Ralf Rangnick; and with that, we arrive at the tenure of the current incumbent, Erik ten Hag.

Ten managers in as many years.

That is a sorry record.

And the stadium roof leaks. This has been reported on several occasions, in recent years, and it remains an enduring mystery that this is, as yet, unaddressed in a club where salaries (and profits) are colossal.

There is an interesting and thoughtful article (by Barney Ronay) in today's Guardian, which argues that the person who holds the position of manager for Manchester United must simultaneously (attempt to) fulfil or manage three concurrent roles.

The first of these is the challenge of having to manage the past "while the ghost of Hamlet’s father still skulks in the eaves" - the storied and legendary past of the club - which, as Ronay writes, "is constantly in the room and which skews every act, achievement and expectation".

Secondly, Ronay argues, is the fact that the unfortunate manager must also "manage the dysfunction of the present", (a state of affairs that includes stuff such as leaking roofs), while, thirdly, and finally, the manager is expected to "manage the everyday metrics on which you will be judged; team, results, style, energy, messaging".

Seriously, guys, there are standards to maintain: In a division where many of the clubs have built new stadia, or upgraded their old stadia, or acquired a new stadium, over the past two decades, fixing a leaking stadium roof should not be beyond wit, or financial planning, and should be the bare minimum of the club's explicitly stated ambitions.

As a metaphor, it is irresistible; as an actual and embarrassing fact, it is inexcusable.

Fix the roof, and then ask whether you need to appoint an eleventh individual to managing the sorry business of trying to rescue Manchester United from the twin burdens of the weight of their heavy history and the absurd levels of entitlement of some of their fans while trying to put together a football team that actually works.
But every manager they sacked received a very nice pay off. I’m sure there will be many only too happy to sign on the dotted line.
 

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But every manager they sacked received a very nice pay off.
They would have been better off putting some of those funds towards the cost of repairing the roof of Old Trafford.
I’m sure there will be many only too happy to sign on the dotted line.
I daresay.

Nevertheless, for now, to my mind, this post is something of a poisoned chalice.
 

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But every manager they sacked received a very nice pay off. I’m sure there will be many only too happy to sign on the dotted line.
True, but perhaps not the candidates the club are hoping for. Rather than a big-name manager, they might have to go after a lesser-known person who has potential and is willing to take the risk of a high-pressure job at a big but dysfunctional club.
 

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Rosengård - Barcelona 0 - 6

Could've been worse. Rosengård started with a self-goal to help the Spanish women to get going.
But nice to watch the goals 😁
 

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Haven’t heard much about them in recent years, makes sense. But I have actually played against them long time ago. They were fairly good then. Good that the club gets help to continue and regenerate.

 
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