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daneoni

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Uncharacteristic of Saliba.

Perhaps the criticism on international duty getting to his head.

Better to go a goal down than down to 10 men.

Also means Arsenal will be without him for LFC
 

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Uncharacteristic of Saliba.
Agreed, it is most uncharacteristic of him.
Perhaps the criticism on international duty getting to his head.
Perhaps.
Better to go a goal down than down to 10 men.
This - receiving red cards - is getting to be a bit of an unfortunate habit; alas, we cannot ascribe it to carelessness.
Also means Arsenal will be without him for LFC
All too true, alas.
 

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A (very) bad day at the office for Arsenal at the seaside in Bournemouth, with 80 minutes gone, and now two goals down, and long reduced to ten men.
 
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daneoni

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Not been Arsenal's day but good on Bournemouth for seizing the opportunity against a weakened Arsenal side.

The next fixtures against LFC and NUFC could be damaging if Arsenal aren't careful.
 

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Not been Arsenal's day but good on Bournemouth for seizing the opportunity against a weakened Arsenal side.

The next fixtures against LFC and NUFC could be damaging if Arsenal aren't careful.
Unfortunately, Arsenal deserved defeat (what a brainless display) while Bournemouth fully deserved their victory.

And - needless to say - Manchester City predictably squeeze out a victory (against Wolves) in the 95th minute. Ugh.
 

daneoni

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Hmm, suffice it to say, i can understand Wolves's frustration.


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laptech

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Isn't that City player in an offside position once the ball was kicked because if he isn't then he surely is when the City player heads the balls towards the goal.
 

laptech

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Not if it's a corner, but yes after the ball has been touched...
So the ref should have blown for an offside then regardless of the fact the City player had crouched down in front of the goalkeeper. Being that close to the goalkeeper the player is clearly interfering with play.

Part of the offside rule states:

  • preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision OR
  • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
People are saying the goal stands because the City player is not in the goalkeepers line of sight BUT because of the players position being so close to the goalkeeper, the City player is clearly impacting on the goalkeeper to play the ball (save it) because the goalkeeper is limited in his movement due to the City player being there, basically the City player is preventing the goalkeeper from moving forward thus limiting the goalkeepers movements to staying on the goal line. The City player may have not been in the goalkeepers line of sight but he was clearly interfering with play because his positioning prevented the goalkeeper from making certain moves, moves which would have caused the goalkeeper to clatter into the City player.
 
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pachyderm

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So the ref should have blown for an offside then regardless of the fact the City player had crouched down in front of the goalkeeper. Being that close to the goalkeeper the player is clearly interfering with play.
If he's taking himself out of the play then, no. As long he doesn't make a play for the ball he's fine. I did't see it happen so I'm assuming he either scored or the team scored, correct? If he got the goal I'd say he is in an offside position. IF not the goal should count... as long as he didn't interfere with the keeper.

Again, this is my understanding of the rule. No one can be offside on a (the initial) corner... that changes once the ball has been touched.
 

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Re-first defeat. Arteta got his lineup wrong. Three 6s in midfield is ridiculous. At some point he needs to trust Nwaneri like Emery trusted Saka. Saliba (also shaky against Soton) and Trossard at fault. We haven’t really got going and the squad doesn’t look ready to win the title. But maybe the cups will be different.

I just want to start playing games at full strength.

Re- City/Wolves. Silva has been cheeky and timed it perfectly. Leans on the keeper when the corner is played then ducks away once he sees Stones head it. Call it ’dark arts’ if you will. He’s categorically influenced play there.

And of course Chris Kavanagh was the ref
 
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Re- City/Wolves. Silva has been cheeky and timed it perfectly. Leans on the keeper when the corner is played then ducks away once he sees Stones head it. Call it ’dark arts’ if you will. He’s categorically influenced play there.
It's all about the timing. Was he (still) influencing the play the millisecond Stones headed? (I'd say no, because at that time he has gotten out of the way by taking a step to the side and ducking).

What he was doing up until then has no effect on the offside (but of course he could be making a foul on the keeper, but I think that would have been too harsh).

Now, apart from that I wish all ill on Manchester City, and would have loved to see them dropping two points there. :D
 
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laptech

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It's all about the timing. Was he (still) influencing the play the millisecond Stones headed? (I'd say no, because at that time he has gotten out of the way by taking a step to the side and ducking).

What he was doing up until then has no effect on the offside (but of course he could be making a foul on the keeper, but I think that would have been too harsh).

Now, apart from that I wish all ill on Manchester City, and would have loved to see them dropping two points there. :D

First and foremost the tactic of the City player was to impede the goalkeeper in preventing him from rushing out to either try and claim the ball or being able to rush out and punch the ball away. You can clearly see this tactic in play. At 1:22 as the ball is about to be kicked, in the video you can see the City player standing close to the goalkeeper. then again at 1:22 as the ball is starting to fly into the penalty area you can see the goalkeeper begin to move out to get the ball but the City player prevents this by backing into the goalkeeper whilst also spreading his arms out to prevent the goalkeeper from getting past him. At 1:23 you can clearly see the goalkeeper being impeded by the City player because the goalkeeper nudges the City player in the back with his arm, which you can see at 1:23. Also at 1:23 you can see the City player impeding the goalkeeper as the ball get's closer to the bunch of players. The City player only moves away from the goalkeeper once the ball is about to meet the head of a City player. The prior actions of the goalkeeper being impeded forces the goalkeeper to stay where he is and it is at this point when the City player heads the ball does the other City player very very quickly move out of the way. It was probably less than a second for the City player to move away from the goalkeeper to when the ball was headed. The goalkeeper stood no chance in being able to see the ball in time because of the actions of the City player.

This tactic has clearly been worked upon on the training ground at Pep's doing. It's only Wolves so people are not too bothered about it but what happens when this tactic is used on your team of Arsenal, Man United, Spurs or West Ham. Are you all going to accept that the goal is good if such a tactic is used against your team to score a goal. Some how I doubt it.

There is no way that goal should have stood, no way at all.
 
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Lioness~

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Regarding Arsenal Women and the resignation of Jonas Eidewall - this far Renee Slegers are doing well taking over as the temporary head coach, at least.
It loked good from the highlights of Arsenal - Vålvrenga 4 - 1.
Now Vålvrenga is not really a top team, so we’ll see.

Other possible candidates as Arsenal Women’s Headcoach:

 

laptech

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Regarding Arsenal Women and the resignation of Jonas Eidewall - this far Renee Slegers are doing well taking over as the temporary head coach, at least.
It loked good from the highlights of Arsenal - Vålvrenga 4 - 1.
Now Vålvrenga is not really a top team, so we’ll see.

Other possible candidates as Arsenal Women’s Headcoach:

Southgate is free, they could always tempt ex England women's manager Phil Neville from the US MLS :)
 
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laptech

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Humor aside, Arsenal Women are the most decorated English women's team. they hold numerous records and are the only English women's team to win the Women's champions league. Their history of winning is unprecedented. It would be nice to see a top manager from the men's game wanting to manage Arsenal women.
 
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laptech

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The football press are showing how stupid they are (in my opinion). All of them are reporting about Man United being in discussions with Barcelona's sacked manager Xavi Hernandez but here's the thing, everyone of them are pushing a narrative about how much of a legend he was as a player at Barcelona but not about his terrible tenure as Barcelona manager. United fans are not going to care how good of a player he was, what they going to care about is how good of a manager he was at Barcelona and he was not that good. He did terrible in the champion's league and only won 2 trophies, the Spanish super cup and a league title. If Xavi could not succeed at Barcelona, what makes United think he is good enough for United?

Critics will say ETH was not right for United but comparing the two, ETH has won a lot more as a manager when at Ajax then Xavi has when at Barcelona.
 

timber

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I had a glancing look at those news and thought they were going after Xabi (Alonso in Leverkussen) at that seemed a solid option.
But Xavi Hernandez... a nepo promotion that resulted in nothing at Barcelona.
Oh well, more money to throw down the drain.
ETH failed but he was a bet on an up and coming manager. It didn't work but it wasn't a stupid choice.
 
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