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F-Train

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On my 2014 Mini I have an internal 256 and a Samsung T5 500. The Samsung is my Photos library. Then I have 2 Seagate 8TB Backup hubs. One is my iTunes library, and the other is my Time Machine drive which backs up my internal SSD, the T5, and the iTunes drive (which uses around 2-3TB of the 8. The TM drive also dual purposes as the backup drive for my 15MBP which has an 1TB SSD.

If you're talking about music and movies for playback, you can put them on an ordinary external hard drive or drives, and if desired via a server such as a cheap second-hand 2014 Mac mini. There's no need for any of these kinds of files to be on the internal SSD of a Mac Studio.
 
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roland.g

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I should just relegate my 2014 Mini to be the home iTunes server. And move everything to my MBP and then make a decision about the future of that Machine.
 
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illitrate23

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I'm kinda leaning on moving a lot of my media files to external drives and backing those up but I'm concerned I'm making it more complicated than it needs to be. Don't you get confused as to where each set of files are? How long have you had that setup??? I've got 3-4 TB of media files and can't keep them on my incoming Studio's SSD...
Yeah I rely on iTunes (or rather, on Music and TV as it is now) to remember which files are where. If I need to go searching, generally use Spotlight.
The other thing I do is use custom icons for the drives on the desktop - to indicate what media type is on which.
But I've been doing it like this for years, probably pre OS X days.
Originally just had a couple of external drives, no backups. Would add a drive once a year or so. Then I digitised all my DVDs, so instead of cluttering the living room, shipped them off to storage, so had to add several terabytes in one go, and then worried about backups so needed twice as many drives...
But now it's addictive. I keep wanting to add more disk icons to the desktop. I'm running out of desk space :)

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Maximara

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I've set up my Mac Studio Max, 500GB storage, with the result below (20GB is "System Data"). I use my internal drive as a workspace, and have all data on external solid state drives. In the screen capture, the 6TB and 10TB drives are ordinary hard drives for Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner. Applications additional to those which came with the OS install include Capture One, Photo Mechanic, Final Cut Pro, Compressor, Motion, Logic Pro, DaVinci Resolve Studio, iZotope RX, iZotope Ozone, Kontakt, Visual Studio Code, Sublime Text, Pages, Numbers, Keynote and sample library player/management apps for Native Instruments, Spitfire Audio, Orchestral Tools and UVI.

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It is examples like this that makes me look at the whole thing about the Studio having too limited space as mostly a nothing burger. I say mostly because there are programs that will not run unless they are in an application folder (and prefer the main one rather than the user one). Of the 307.14 GB on my SSD 158.51 GB is taken up by Applications in the User folder (I have all documents on an external hard drive)
 

dizmonk

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Yeah I rely on iTunes (or rather, on Music and TV as it is now) to remember which files are where. If I need to go searching, generally use Spotlight.
The other thing I do is use custom icons for the drives on the desktop - to indicate what media type is on which.
But I've been doing it like this for years, probably pre OS X days.
Originally just had a couple of external drives, no backups. Would add a drive once a year or so. Then I digitised all my DVDs, so instead of cluttering the living room, shipped them off to storage, so had to add several terabytes in one go, and then worried about backups so needed twice as many drives...
But now it's addictive. I keep wanting to add more disk icons to the desktop. I'm running out of desk space :)

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wow... okay that's impressive...
 

BeatCrazy

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With a few exceptions (I'm looking at you Late 2014 Mac mini) the 'base' model of any Mac (even iPhone/iPad) offers exceptional value, performance and resale value.

The times I've recently added RAM for "future proofing", I've been burned by the fact that the CPU or other features get 'old' before I've been limited by the RAM.

I've had great experience with the following base models lately:
Late 2013 Mac Pro trashcan
Late 2017 iMac Pro
M1 Mac mini
Mac Studio Ultra (en route). Technically the Max is "base", but the features on the Ultra make me consider it more like a different product than the Max, vs an upgrade to a base model.

Granted, I don't use these for professional purposes, and since I only keep my "main" machine for <5 years, I never get ROI if I get much more than the base model.
 

roland.g

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With a few exceptions (I'm looking at you Late 2014 Mac mini) the 'base' model of any Mac (even iPhone/iPad) offers exceptional value, performance and resale value.

The times I've recently added RAM for "future proofing", I've been burned by the fact that the CPU or other features get 'old' before I've been limited by the RAM.

I've had great experience with the following base models lately:
Late 2013 Mac Pro trashcan
Late 2017 iMac Pro
M1 Mac mini
Mac Studio Ultra (en route). Technically the Max is "base", but the features on the Ultra make me consider it more like a different product than the Max, vs an upgrade to a base model.

Granted, I don't use these for professional purposes, and since I only keep my "main" machine for <5 years, I never get ROI if I get much more than the base model.
Actually I'm using a Late 2014 Mac Mini that I bought March 2016, so 6 years in one of the main reasons it made it this far is that I future proofed it with the max RAM available. Likewise my 2018 MBP Touchbar, I only got the 2.2 555x but I did up the storage to 1TB and that has allowed that notebook to handle all my storage needs.

One of the main reasons I am even considering the Studio Max over the M1 Mini is that the Mini tops out at 16GB RAM while the M1 offers 32. I would still prefer the Max to come with a 1TB drive, but understand I can CTO or use external options, but I'm just not sure I want to get a Mini with the lower RAM ceiling.

Should an M2 Mini configurable to 32GB RAM become available, that likely would win out over the Studio.
 

BeatCrazy

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Actually I'm using a Late 2014 Mac Mini that I bought March 2016, so 6 years in one of the main reasons it made it this far is that I future proofed it with the max RAM available. Likewise my 2018 MBP Touchbar, I only got the 2.2 555x but I did up the storage to 1TB and that has allowed that notebook to handle all my storage needs.

One of the main reasons I am even considering the Studio Max over the M1 Mini is that the Mini tops out at 16GB RAM while the M1 offers 32. I would still prefer the Max to come with a 1TB drive, but understand I can CTO or use external options, but I'm just not sure I want to get a Mini with the lower RAM ceiling.

Should an M2 Mini configurable to 32GB RAM become available, that likely would win out over the Studio.
Right the base 2014 Mini with 4GB of RAM was a bad situation to start with, so upgrading was essentially required to make it useable.
 

ashman70

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For my take, comparing it to a M1 Mac Mini, the cost differential of the lowest Mac Studio is too much.

For ~$1200:

CPU: 8 cores -> 10 cores (meh..yes, I know its 4+4 and 8+2, but still 'meh')
GPU: 8 cores -> 24 cores (ok...I guess, if the GPU is useful to your workflow)
NPU: same

Memory: 8->32 GB (yes, good..almost too good)
storage: 256->512GB (meh)

To go to 20 cores, it's a $3k differential. (yes, much more memory, and more GPU, but....and it's a little odd to say this when talking about Mac products...the device comes with just too much memory that doesn't seem useful).

I guess I would have expected the low end one to have 16 cores and 32GB of memory or something that's a little more incremental from the mac mini than a measly 2 more cores and a bunch more GPU cores.

I just don't see the value upgrading from a 16MB M1 mini to a 32MB Mac Studio for $1000+.
I had the base Mini and was running out of memory constantly. I considered upgrading to a 16GB M1 Mini however I was doing more GPU intensive work and needed native support for three displays. I felt only benefitting from double the memory wouldn't be enough. The base studio meets all my needs perfectly. but everyones needs are different, there is no 'one size fits all' solution.
 
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DJSoda

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When do you guys think the Apple refurbished Mac Studio be available? 5-6 months may be?

The 14/16" MBP on sale - Oct 18, 2022
Available as refurbished - Apr 1, 2022
 

roland.g

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at least 3-6 months
Probably the longer of the two given the current lead times on any BTO machines and the fact that stores don't always have stock. I think it will be July at the soonest. Also consider that a base Max will likely sell for $1,849 refurbished and currently Costco (though out of stock as of today) sells the base for $1,949. Likewise the base Ultra will probably be $3,699 and Costco sells that for $3,799.

Those hoping to score a model that was upgraded (storage, cores, etc.) the refurb store typically has far fewer variations beyond the base models.
 
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