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the best argument against macs is that apple sells outdated hardware for premium prices

Could you support that with hard facts? The processors are often the same Intel processors.

Would Apple's bus be outdated? The motherboard? The RAM implementation?
 
Thats actually very inaccurate. The laptop posted is a Dell, and Dell sends a tech to your house to fix the hardware. If my mac failed i'd have to make an appointment at the apple store, drive 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back, wait for them to fix it, then drive 30 minutes there and 30 minutes back home again.
I had a dell with a bad temperature sensor so i called dell, and they sent a guy over the next day. I didnt even have to leave my couch if i didnt want to.

I too could have house calls as well, if I in fact pay for it as you did.

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^^It was actually part of the 1 year warranty that came with the tower. I didnt pay anything extra for it.
 
You're a lucky guy..
As stated by Dell's warranty

"If issue is covered by Limited Hardware Warranty and not resolved remotely, technician and/or part will be dispatched, usually in 1 or 2 business days following completion of Remote Diagnosis. Availability varies. The services may not be available on all products in all locations, and additional charges, terms, and conditions may apply in certain locations."
 
When the iSight camera breaks on an iMac,

I think you mean "if" the webcam breaks. I have never seen that happen. Anything is possible but this is not a reason to choose a PC. If thats your point you will have to try harder.
 
Thats actually very inaccurate. The laptop posted is a Dell, and Dell sends a tech to your house to fix the hardware. If my mac failed i'd have to make an appointment at the apple store, drive 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back, wait for them to fix it, then drive 30 minutes there and 30 minutes back home again.
I had a dell with a bad temperature sensor so i called dell, and they sent a guy over the next day. I didnt even have to leave my couch if i didnt want to.

That is amusing. Go to the Dell forums and see how many people there complain that Dell refuses to honor their warranty by sending someone to their house. Dell makes cheap crap and provides lousy support because their margins are razor thin. Always has. That is their business model. Even their corporate support is severely lacking. I'm an IT Consultant and I work for some of the biggest and best known companies in the world designing global J2EE and .NET architectures. I have seen multiple companies in the last 5 years switch from Dell to HP because Dell has shipped them so much DOA crap, with lousy support, and the cheapest components they could find that week. The reason Dell is in so much financial trouble now is because they have wrung every bit of cost they could out of their manufacturing yet make very little money on every computer sold. So they provide as little support as possible because that is a cost they can ill afford. HP's consumer products btw are every bit as crappy as Dells but their corporate products and support are very good.
 
Not to start a pointless Microsoft -v- Apple debate again but have you tried Windows 7? I don't agree with statements like that at all. As much as I love Snow Leopard, I find myself spending a lot of time in Windows 7 with Boot Camp as well. I switched from PCs to Macs in 2006 after 15 years with Microsoft (from DOS to XP). In my opinion, Windows 7 is Microsoft's best OS yet.

At any rate, it is not deserving of such flippant remarks as that.

I do agree that the ability to run both Windows and OS X is a huge advantage for the Mac over PC AIOs though.

Saying Windows 7 is Microsoft best Windows ever is not saying much. It's just their latest mediocre attempt at an OS. It only stands out because in comparison to Vista it looks good. Consider how many years and how many thousands of man hours it took for Microsoft to get to 7. Sheesh. Apple devotes a tiny fraction of the resources to their OS and it is dramatically better.

-It scales poorly with multiple procs and large amounts of ram.
-It still has the registry which is frigging unbelievable. What a POS that has become. You WILL be reinstalling 7 just like all other versions of Windows if you want to keep it running smoothly.
-7 has many, many thousands of lines of code left over from previous versions of Windows that Microsoft doesn't have the skill or fortitude to rip out. So it does nothing but consume resources and cause instability.
-Its still a security nightmare.
-The UI is still crap. Case in point the Start Menu.
-Show me another modern OS that requires manual defrag and a plethora of anti-malware software to keep it running. Not to mention reg cleaners and all the other assorted utilities.
-There is a reason most PC magazines constantly run articles about how you can keep Windows functioning as it should.
-Windows server OS' have gotten quite a bit better but they have been able to eject a lot of the consumer level baggage that Microsoft won't or can't get rid of in desktop Windows. But even their server OS' are far behind Unix/Linux in scalability, multiprocessing, and especially security. A Windows Sysadmin can only manage less than half the number of Windows servers as a Unix admin because they are such a pain in the ass to deal with.

Windows 7 is good enough considering cost, ability run games, etc which is all Microsoft has ever been about. But I don't want good enough. I want the best hardware, OS, software, and support money can buy and thats Apple.
 
i would go a step further
a standalone ,and get osx on the open market so everybody could enjoy having osx and build its own system , that would mean multi processor support
not only intel

I've seen that movie and it doesn't end well. When Apple authorized clones they did not have the funding to keep their OS (pre-0S X) up to date yet were expected to provide support for it to who knows how many hardware and software combinations. It makes no sense for the buyer, for the clone companies (none of which made any money) or for Apple.
 
Tell that to intel as they've been supplying the latest processors to apple before anyone else

And yet some iMac's have only just got quad-core processors as an option, whereas you could buy a quad-core HP desktop with Blu-ray for under £500 in the UK six months ago. Apple win on a few things but leading edge components isn't one of them.

Still - at least Apple now actually use Intel chips. I wonder if the Apple fundamentalists will ever realise Apple now build PCs.
 
Saying Windows 7 is Microsoft best Windows ever is not saying much. It's just their latest mediocre attempt at an OS. It only stands out because in comparison to Vista it looks good. Consider how many years and how many thousands of man hours it took for Microsoft to get to 7. Sheesh. Apple devotes a tiny fraction of the resources to their OS and it is dramatically better.

-It scales poorly with multiple procs and large amounts of ram.
-It still has the registry which is frigging unbelievable. What a POS that has become. You WILL be reinstalling 7 just like all other versions of Windows if you want to keep it running smoothly.
-7 has many, many thousands of lines of code left over from previous versions of Windows that Microsoft doesn't have the skill or fortitude to rip out. So it does nothing but consume resources and cause instability.
-Its still a security nightmare.
-The UI is still crap. Case in point the Start Menu.
-Show me another modern OS that requires manual defrag and a plethora of anti-malware software to keep it running. Not to mention reg cleaners and all the other assorted utilities.
-There is a reason most PC magazines constantly run articles about how you can keep Windows functioning as it should.
-Windows server OS' have gotten quite a bit better but they have been able to eject a lot of the consumer level baggage that Microsoft won't or can't get rid of in desktop Windows. But even their server OS' are far behind Unix/Linux in scalability, multiprocessing, and especially security. A Windows Sysadmin can only manage less than half the number of Windows servers as a Unix admin because they are such a pain in the ass to deal with.

Windows 7 is good enough considering cost, ability run games, etc which is all Microsoft has ever been about. But I don't want good enough. I want the best hardware, OS, software, and support money can buy and thats Apple.

I didn't even get halfway through before falling off my chair laughing.....

at your utter rubbish...

congratulations.
 
Still - at least Apple now actually use Intel chips. I wonder if the Apple fundamentalists will ever realise Apple now build PCs.

In reality every computer sold by Apple has been a PC. From the Apple II to the iPod Touch.

PC in its truest sense means Personal Computer. IBM and IBM clone machines generally get called PCs because IBM called theirs the IBM Personal Computer.
 
Saying Windows 7 is Microsoft best Windows ever is not saying much. It's just their latest mediocre attempt at an OS. It only stands out because in comparison to Vista it looks good. Consider how many years and how many thousands of man hours it took for Microsoft to get to 7. Sheesh. Apple devotes a tiny fraction of the resources to their OS and it is dramatically better.

-It scales poorly with multiple procs and large amounts of ram.
-It still has the registry which is frigging unbelievable. What a POS that has become. You WILL be reinstalling 7 just like all other versions of Windows if you want to keep it running smoothly.
-7 has many, many thousands of lines of code left over from previous versions of Windows that Microsoft doesn't have the skill or fortitude to rip out. So it does nothing but consume resources and cause instability.
-Its still a security nightmare.
-The UI is still crap. Case in point the Start Menu.
-Show me another modern OS that requires manual defrag and a plethora of anti-malware software to keep it running. Not to mention reg cleaners and all the other assorted utilities.
-There is a reason most PC magazines constantly run articles about how you can keep Windows functioning as it should.
-Windows server OS' have gotten quite a bit better but they have been able to eject a lot of the consumer level baggage that Microsoft won't or can't get rid of in desktop Windows. But even their server OS' are far behind Unix/Linux in scalability, multiprocessing, and especially security. A Windows Sysadmin can only manage less than half the number of Windows servers as a Unix admin because they are such a pain in the ass to deal with.

Windows 7 is good enough considering cost, ability run games, etc which is all Microsoft has ever been about. But I don't want good enough. I want the best hardware, OS, software, and support money can buy and thats Apple.

Please if you want to defend OS X stop recycling the same old crap about Windows.

In reality you are being just as childish about Windows as Paul Thurrott is about Macs.

About the only valid claims in your argument are the registry, and defragging. However HFS+ in itself is a seriously fragile filesystem, and is urgently due replacement.

The rest is crap, and could quite easily be argued away.
 
In reality every computer sold by Apple has been a PC. From the Apple II to the iPod Touch.

PC in its truest sense means Personal Computer. IBM and IBM clone machines generally get called PCs because IBM called theirs the IBM Personal Computer.

i agree when it comes to intel based mac`s
but my two at the bottom are no ordinary pc they are powerpc`s ,
as they have powerpc processors so they are real mac`s and no pc clones
 
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