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difference between CS2 and Corel Draw Graphics Suites 12
I have CS2 Standard for my PowerBooks. Since I have a new Tablet PC, I am interested in installing some graphics/design program on that PC as well. I like CS2 (I have been going through many instruction books as I have completed the Adobe's book while back). But, the price for CS2 is rather high (around $700 to $900 depending on the vendor).
I heard Corel Draw Graphics Suites 12 provides the similar features and capabilities as Adobe CS2. Can someone comment on the main difference on CS2 and Corel Draw Suites 12 from the perspective of the daily practical usage. Also, how is the learning curve to get the hang of Corel Draw 12 (if you are using CS2).
I have CS2 Standard for my PowerBooks. Since I have a new Tablet PC, I am interested in installing some graphics/design program on that PC as well. I like CS2 (I have been going through many instruction books as I have completed the Adobe's book while back). But, the price for CS2 is rather high (around $700 to $900 depending on the vendor).
I heard Corel Draw Graphics Suites 12 provides the similar features and capabilities as Adobe CS2. Can someone comment on the main difference on CS2 and Corel Draw Suites 12 from the perspective of the daily practical usage. Also, how is the learning curve to get the hang of Corel Draw 12 (if you are using CS2).
YS2003 said:
Just as a side-note, there's a new version out: CorelDraw Graphics Suite X3
I'm just doing a promo flyer at the moment for Corel and have just had to amend it for the new products. The other is WordPerfect Office X3.
Of course, I'm doing this flyer with Quark 6.5 and Adobe CS.
But to quote their inflated blurb:
Good find, Blue Velvet. Does CorelDraw Graphics Suite X3 work well with CS2 (Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign)?
I am thinking about using the graphics programs such as CorelDraw X3 for my Tablet PC/Win XP Pro Tablet Edition (using a digitizer pen to write directly on the screen); then, I will transfer that graphics works to my Mac (running OS X 10.4.4) to imbed into the InDesign works. Or, for one page poster or flyer, then, I think I can just use CorelDraw X3 (possibly after importing a few Photoshops files from my Mac).
PS. I wanted to get the Tablet Mac if Apple makes it..... Since no Tablet from Apple, I had to go with this tablet PC.....Cross platforms are getting complicated (Windows, Mac, Adobe, Corel...... to make one graphics/design work)
I am thinking about using the graphics programs such as CorelDraw X3 for my Tablet PC/Win XP Pro Tablet Edition (using a digitizer pen to write directly on the screen); then, I will transfer that graphics works to my Mac (running OS X 10.4.4) to imbed into the InDesign works. Or, for one page poster or flyer, then, I think I can just use CorelDraw X3 (possibly after importing a few Photoshops files from my Mac).
PS. I wanted to get the Tablet Mac if Apple makes it..... Since no Tablet from Apple, I had to go with this tablet PC.....Cross platforms are getting complicated (Windows, Mac, Adobe, Corel...... to make one graphics/design work)
YS2003 said:
I have no idea I'm just involved in doing some of their UK promotions.
I wouldn't dream of using something other than Adobe CS. Painter looks slightly intriguing though.
You know that the Corel suite is Windows only, right? They discontinued Mac support on Corel Draw some years ago. So add Windows to the 'ease of use' curve.YS2003 said:
Freehand definitely. I find Illustrator very counter-intuitive to work with in comparison but mainly because i use it mostly for laying up cd artwork and being able to have five pages in three different sizes in the same document is invaluable.
Although I use Illustrator, I find it hard to forgive the stupidly unclear display of paths, nodes and handles when drawing curves with the pen tool. Illustrator needs a massive 'usability' overhaul - and the Adobe developers need to look at Xara to see how the pen tool should be implemented.
Its such a shame when Adobe can make such a good job with InDesign after only 3 or 4 versions, and Illustrator is now on v.10 (11? 12? lost count!).
Its such a shame when Adobe can make such a good job with InDesign after only 3 or 4 versions, and Illustrator is now on v.10 (11? 12? lost count!).
Chalk up another vote for Illustrator. Back in the day, before I knew any better, I used to use Photoshop for *everything*...whoops...
i started using version 88 and have had reasonable contact with it off an on through all the versions up to CS2 but i've never noticed that feature coming in, i'm probably just not experienced enough with (and too confused by) it to get the best out of it..eclipse said:
but then my needs are pretty simple, mostly laying up images and type rather than logo design etc, which is why i always liked Freehand (esp. v.8), it just worked, didn't cloud what you were trying to do in feature bloat or a whole lot of filters that caused more pain than joy (working in pre-press, Corel was always a nightmare for this).
I still can't work out what Illustrator is on about with its two node tools, and although it's got better in recent versions, working with imported images has always seemed easier and better supported in Freehand.
Not to mention that Ills 9 and 10 were such a dog's breakfast that most of the people i know who used it went back to v.8!
and there's more... i think Ill was (and still is) intended more as an app for doing things like logos and graphic elements in, which you then saved/exported and layed up or incorporated into your documents using another program, like Quark or InDesign (anyone remember Pagemaker?). Which is why its layup and pre-press functions were always so crap (like Photoshop).
Freehand was more standalone in its approach, which is why i expect now that Adobe has bought Freehand, they'll kill it off and keep Ill, forcing you in effect to buy the suite of apps so you can do your layup in InDesign.
Which i'd find upsetting. Still maybe someone else will buy the rights and keep it on, like last time when Adobe bought Aldus, dumped Freehand, which was then carried on by Macromedia, who've now been bought by Adobe....
a little off-topic, but does anyone know if Ill/InDesign lets you do pages of differing sizes in a single document? cd's are a pain like this with the booklet, tray and disc all having different specs but usually also sharing design elements.
Freehand was more standalone in its approach, which is why i expect now that Adobe has bought Freehand, they'll kill it off and keep Ill, forcing you in effect to buy the suite of apps so you can do your layup in InDesign.
Which i'd find upsetting. Still maybe someone else will buy the rights and keep it on, like last time when Adobe bought Aldus, dumped Freehand, which was then carried on by Macromedia, who've now been bought by Adobe....
a little off-topic, but does anyone know if Ill/InDesign lets you do pages of differing sizes in a single document? cd's are a pain like this with the booklet, tray and disc all having different specs but usually also sharing design elements.
frankblundt said:
Don't entirely know about InDesign but this is where Quark 6.5 is perfect.
It has a feature called 'synchronised layouts' where you can have different-sized layouts within the same file and repeating elements can be synchronised so that if you change the text in one box, all its synchronised partners simultaneously change as well.
Very handy for corporate stationery as well.
If InDesign 4 (CS2) doesn't yet have this feature, they're bound to have it before too long.
brilliant. i knew you'd have the answerBlue Velvet said:
now just need to re-mortgage the house to buy it...
Im an Illustrator guy,
But I am happy to see so much support for freehand. It is a shame that it will probably be left behind.
I like how Illustrator by default treats vectors with "Non-Zero Winding Fill rule". All other programs (including Photoshop CS2 and Freehand) handle vectors with "Odd Even Fill rule".
Illustrator is a Powerhouse!
Very imortant thing about Gif. if you use the transparancy feature. You must specify the background color before saving (defult is white). Typical sign of an ameture is when someone uses a gif on black background and get a halo around the image. it looks terrible.
If you dont know what you are doing stick with jpg
But I am happy to see so much support for freehand. It is a shame that it will probably be left behind.
I like how Illustrator by default treats vectors with "Non-Zero Winding Fill rule". All other programs (including Photoshop CS2 and Freehand) handle vectors with "Odd Even Fill rule".
Illustrator is a Powerhouse!
Very imortant thing about Gif. if you use the transparancy feature. You must specify the background color before saving (defult is white). Typical sign of an ameture is when someone uses a gif on black background and get a halo around the image. it looks terrible.
If you dont know what you are doing stick with jpg
cgratti said:
.gif?
MADNESS!
You only use gif if you want a web graphic, its crap otherwise.
The program you want to use is illustrator (mainly because Freehand is about to be deep-sixed, rather than any big differences between them)
And you save your artwork as an .eps. Then it can be imported into any other page layout program like indesign or quark and it will float transparently over any text or image or background, or it can even be imported into photoshop and scaled to whatever size you want rather than using photoshop's painful vector tools to actually create art.
Once it's in photoshop you can dress it up with glows and drop shadows and other spack like that if you really want. But the best thing about eps is wherever you use it you get no undesirable white backgrounds or whatever to ruin your art, just the logo you made.
And the other best thing about eps is that it remains vector art i.e you can enlarge it to the size of a baseball pitch and the edges will remain smooth and tidy (unlike using any raster format like gif, jpg, tif, etc)
I won't confuse you with an in-depth discussion of RGB vs CMYK or Process vs Spot colours at this point, as your brain would explode.
I'll just say - Remember this basic generalised rule, if it's intended for most press or printed type work like business cards, letterheads or brochures, you probably want CMYK process colours, if its for Web use RGB colours.
eclipse said:
I had to think about this for a second... first i thought that Sirus the Virus was from the Matrix, but that was Cypher. Then I thought of a few other movies, and realised it was Con Air, right? He was the big bad crim play by John Malkovich, i think.
Anyway, I'm an Illustrator person. Unless I'm doing a sort of logo that has textures, or gradients beyond what Illustrator can provide. Basically - if you want a sharp, clean look - go Illustrator (or Freehand if that's your cup of tea). You can also get a 'sharp & clean' look in PhotoShop I guess, just that it's not the ideal tool for the job.