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but Honda offers more standard and at each tier.

Absolutely not. Almost every Toyota model comes standard with Toyota Safety Sense and LED headlights.

For example, Honda finally made HondaSense standard on the Civic, but LED headlights require you to go up to the Touring trim.
 

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But what will the retail price be like as you approach or pass that 8 years? That’s what puts me off as I don’t buy new and keep a car around 5-6 years so I’d be the out of warranty.
Keep in mind that the combustion engine in a full hybrid would be off or running at low RPM much of the time. On the other hand, it would be started up a lot.
 

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Mine regularly runs on 2 cylinders in traffic. Always makes me wonder if its the same 2 cylinders!

My off the cuff responds(without actually checking on it) would be that on a 4 cylinder engine, you'd likely
want the 1+4 or 2+3 combination, as that would place the power strokes 360º apart.

Other combinations would give you a power stroke after 180º, and then not another for another 540º, which would make the idle awfully rough.

That, of course, is assuming the "normal" 4 cylinder crankshaft layout, where 1+4 move together, and 2+3 move together.

As for which specifically, I'd think that moving it around between these two combinations would have the benefit of equalizing wear across the cylinders and other things like that. It probably wouldn't be too important in the short term, but would make a difference over the long haul.
 

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My off the cuff responds(without actually checking on it) would be that on a 4 cylinder engine, you'd likely
want the 1+4 or 2+3 combination, as that would place the power strokes 360º apart.

Other combinations would give you a power stroke after 180º, and then not another for another 540º, which would make the idle awfully rough.

That, of course, is assuming the "normal" 4 cylinder crankshaft layout, where 1+4 move together, and 2+3 move together.

As for which specifically, I'd think that moving it around between these two combinations would have the benefit of equalizing wear across the cylinders and other things like that. It probably wouldn't be too important in the short term, but would make a difference over the long haul.
It’s the wear that crosses my mind. But as it only does that at low rpm and slow speed, I’m sure I’m worrying about nothing! It’s not done 20k yet so I’m sure to be fine for a while!
 

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I would assume that's how they all work so R&D doesn't have to test all the various 4 cylinder combinations. what is that, 70 combinations?

It's not QUITE that many since I very much suspect that you only kill cylinders firing 360º of crankshaft rotation apart.

The firing order on the HEMI is 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2, which would indicate to me that only pairs 1-3, 8-6, 4-7, and 6-2 would be the pairs to use. 4-7 and 6-2 would seem to me to be the obvious ones to use, since you'd be deactivating pairs with cylinders on opposite sides of the V.
 
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Probably uneven wear with the traditional implementation is the reason why cylinder deactivation has not become ubiquitous.
 

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Absolutely not. Almost every Toyota model comes standard with Toyota Safety Sense and LED headlights.

For example, Honda finally made HondaSense standard on the Civic, but LED headlights require you to go up to the Touring trim.
Yeah you're right. I was probably thinking of the Civic only which I've harped on about before. Honda's ditching lane sense, though. I think it's a cool system. There was a Douglas video a while back of a Kia or a Hyundai that used similar cameras and it showed up in the dash taking the place of the speedo and tach.

You have my sincere thanks for taking the time and quoting instead of posting at random and presuming everyone else knows what you're referring to.
 
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Dodge Charger ‘Wide-body’ spied in possible commercial shoot:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/27580...widebody-spied-recording-tv-commercial-report

https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2019/04/22/dodge-charger-srt-widebody-spy/

[Which the exact same thing that happened to the Bullitt that was caught filming a commercial, then it debuted approximately three months later. So I’m assuming the widebody should be introduced relatively soon, also, the Charger had a body-colored number plate, which is a common tactic used when filming commercials/marketing.]

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Dodge Charger ‘Wide-body’ spied in possible commercial shoot:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/27580...widebody-spied-recording-tv-commercial-report

https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2019/04/22/dodge-charger-srt-widebody-spy/

[Which the exact same thing that happened to the Bullitt one that was caught filming a commercial, then it debuted approximately three months later. So I’m assuming the widebody should be introduced relatively soon, also, the Charger had a body-colored number plate, which is a common tactic used when filming commercials/marketing.]

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The picture quality isn’t very high, but it looks similar to the Frostbite Blue color they demoed awhile back. Definitely looks like it has some pearl in it.
 
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They can't afford to sell them.

Here's what will happen: meet Bill
  1. Bill wants a Tesla model 3. His budget is $28,000 USD.
  2. Bill won't be able to buy a Model 3 on Tesla's website
  3. Bill will call to order the $35,000 Model 3
  4. Bill will get a representative (read: salesman) who will try to upsell him and make it difficult to get the car he wants
  5. Bill will get the car that costs $40,000 plus or won't get a tesla
  6. Bill will realize he only qualifies for a rebate of $1000 because he only owes that in Taxes
Oh, and by the way, now Tesla is calling Bill every day, particularly if he doesn't buy the car. Is this better than a dealership? No, it's a phone dealership.

Heck, at least if you got to a dealership, you get to test drive a car.
[doublepost=1555100987][/doublepost]Also, why are they not offering to sell the leased cars to the current owner? That's usually an amazing deal for an automaker.


If "Bill" has a budget of $28,000, Tesla is out of his budget until he saves up more money. Not sure why you started out that way? That's like saying my budget for a Ferrari is $200,000, but I want the Portofino which is at least $214,000.

Tesla offers their car for 7 days/1000 miles (whichever comes first) and you can return for full refund. Or you can go to the service center and test drive one, I think. '

Upsell...hmm...I guess you haven't ever bought a car at a dealership?

Tesla still sells the Model 3 Standard Range, you just need to go to a store to get one. They have them in stock, it's the Standard Range + (more mileage, autopilot, heated seats, etc) that they will limit to what the specs of the SR is.

I'm saving up for the SR model and can't wait.
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Fair enough. I’ve never really looked into it as I’m not a fan. But I guess at some point I’ll end up with a hybrid. But not for a good while.

Hybrids are not the way to go. Even Chevrolet knows this, that's why the Volt is going away. Look at what the majority of automobile manufacturers are moving to. Battery powered vehicles are the future. And once solid state batteries are developed to be large enough and cheap enough, you will see range go WAY up.

I just wish the major manufacturers would get past the ICE way of looking at cars and build for electric.

This is a good video about 3 electric cars
 

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If "Bill" has a budget of $28,000, Tesla is out of his budget until he saves up more money. Not sure why you started out that way? That's like saying my budget for a Ferrari is $200,000, but I want the Portofino which is at least $214,000.

Tesla offers their car for 7 days/1000 miles (whichever comes first) and you can return for full refund. Or you can go to the service center and test drive one, I think. '

Upsell...hmm...I guess you haven't ever bought a car at a dealership?

Tesla still sells the Model 3 Standard Range, you just need to go to a store to get one. They have them in stock, it's the Standard Range + (more mileage, autopilot, heated seats, etc) that they will limit to what the specs of the SR is.

I'm saving up for the SR model and can't wait.
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Hybrids are not the way to go. Even Chevrolet knows this, that's why the Volt is going away. Look at what the majority of automobile manufacturers are moving to. Battery powered vehicles are the future. And once solid state batteries are developed to be large enough and cheap enough, you will see range go WAY up.

I just wish the major manufacturers would get past the ICE way of looking at cars and build for electric.

This is a good video about 3 electric cars
Of course if we all switch to electric cars tomorrow there won’t be enough electricity to charge them all (let alone charging points!).
 

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Of course if we all switch to electric cars tomorrow there won’t be enough electricity to charge them all (let alone charging points!).

I do not have enough knowledge of electricity to say if you are right or wrong, but how is the grid supporting all the current and growing electronic products?

As for charging points, you should be charging at home more than at charging points. Those are for traveling.
 

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If "Bill" has a budget of $28,000, Tesla is out of his budget until he saves up more money. Not sure why you started out that way? That's like saying my budget for a Ferrari is $200,000, but I want the Portofino which is at least $214,000.

Tesla offers their car for 7 days/1000 miles (whichever comes first) and you can return for full refund. Or you can go to the service center and test drive one, I think. '

Upsell...hmm...I guess you haven't ever bought a car at a dealership?

Tesla still sells the Model 3 Standard Range, you just need to go to a store to get one. They have them in stock, it's the Standard Range + (more mileage, autopilot, heated seats, etc) that they will limit to what the specs of the SR is.

I'm saving up for the SR model and can't wait.
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Hybrids are not the way to go. Even Chevrolet knows this, that's why the Volt is going away. Look at what the majority of automobile manufacturers are moving to. Battery powered vehicles are the future. And once solid state batteries are developed to be large enough and cheap enough, you will see range go WAY up.

I just wish the major manufacturers would get past the ICE way of looking at cars and build for electric.

This is a good video about 3 electric cars
I considered an EV, but my hybrid works really well and is only a minor cost increase. If I had a garage for convenient charging and our electric rates weren’t 15 cents per KWH, an EV would be more attractive for me. When I can charge an EV quickly at a station, I’m in.
 

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I do not have enough knowledge of electricity to say if you are right or wrong, but how is the grid supporting all the current and growing electronic products?

As for charging points, you should be charging at home more than at charging points. Those are for traveling.
The electricity grid will depend on your country, but we certainly don't have enough power in the UK for everyone to switch. I doubt its any better in the US.
Cars take a lot more power than iPads to charge!
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I considered an EV, but my hybrid works really well and is only a minor cost increase. If I had a garage for convenient charging and our electric rates weren’t 15 cents per KWH, an EV would be more attractive for me. When I can charge an EV quickly at a station, I’m in.
Agree a fast charging option is essential before I consider one.

Plus I was a photo work in London on Friday. Electric cars are silent killers! They sneak up on you.
 

JohnR

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I considered an EV, but my hybrid works really well and is only a minor cost increase. If I had a garage for convenient charging and our electric rates weren’t 15 cents per KWH, an EV would be more attractive for me. When I can charge an EV quickly at a station, I’m in.


When you say "minor cost increase", what do you mean? The cost to purchase one or the cost of ownership? (fuel, maintenance, etc)

Yeah, I couldn't go without a garage, not sure how others do without one!

Well....Tesla is doing 2 things to decrease the charge time at their superchargers:
1) rolling out version 3 which reduces your time to around 15 minutes
https://www.tesla.com/blog/introducing-v3-supercharging
2) warming up batteries when enroute to charge to speed up the charging
and they did some software changes on the car and the superchargers out there so that the time spent charging is being reduced.

Granted, I do not have an EV, so I'm going by what I read and what owners post online.

I would pull the trigger right now on a Tesla except I gotta pay off this Honda and trade it in first. Insurance is not cheap on Tesla's because they say they are expensive to repair...which I don't know where they get their facts from. Tesla is supposedly getting into the insurance business this year, so we'll see.
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The electricity grid will depend on your country, but we certainly don't have enough power in the UK for everyone to switch. I doubt its any better in the US.
Cars take a lot more power than iPads to charge!
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Agree a fast charging option is essential before I consider one.

Plus I was a photo work in London on Friday. Electric cars are silent killers! They sneak up on you.


I'm not talking just iPads. As for what we produce in electricity, I will have to do some research on that, but I don't believe it's as big a problem for us as it is for you all.

Yes, they are silent, but any good vehicle, electric or not, should have some sort of pedestrian awareness software. And I wish they would come with a noisemaker to sound like a muscle car. That would be cool. :)
[doublepost=1556464461][/doublepost]As for the electric grid in the US, here's an interesting article: https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2018/12/americas-power-grid-isnt-ready-electric-cars/577507/

What it doesn't take into consideration for states that have a lot of sun (Florida, Texas, California, etc) is the solar roof panels:
https://www.tesla.com/solarroof
While expensive now, if other manufacturers were to get into this field, it could help drive prices down. I *think* the going rate is around $20,000 for the roof, but that's something that I read, so not totally sure. Obviously on a new house, along with geothermal heating, you could save a lot off the grid.
 
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