The dangers of these forums

[MacHamster68]

m ok you can live with a yellow tinge , no problem do what you like , but dont expect others to feel the same
it is a screen issue issue , @ the screen manufacturer ,apple doesnt produce the screens they just build them in
if there are issues with the graphic`s card its cause by the manufacturer of the card , again its not apple who is producing the card , they just build it in
if harddrive fail its about quality of the manufacturer , apple does not produce harddrives they just build them in ,why the hell seagate`s , they do not have a reputation for long lasting harddrives ..to be polite



Mac`s had a reputation for being a high quality product ,only fanboy`s or people working on mac`s know that they had little problems in the past but the general public still thought of mac`s as some
sort of magic supercomputer where everything works perfect and it will last forever
buying a Mac was for most people out there who never had one before something you buy and keep it for years (like a bathtub) as macs`s also had been known for being a design element of your home

but now people find out iMac`s are only a little bigger screens with
intel inside, windows on ..where is the iMac gone its a pc just like others now, with the same problems , but still sells for a premium price
fanboys please put down the stones you had just picked up or
look around and see how many are using windows now on their iMacs throw the stones at them, it`s criminal disloyalty , high treason to run windows on a iMac

 

[SilenceBe]

I know yellowing is bad but could it be a calibration issue and a program or the adjustment settings of the mac fix it or make it not as bad

Color calibration doesn't help if the machine when you have some kind of gradient. You will still have white at the top and yellowness at the bottom.

"Graphics professionals" is somewhat of an oxymoron. If you are using an iMac for pro use, you made a compromise. The iMac is a consumer product.

Sorry but for what would a webdesigner need a computer with 8 cores ?

Color consistency isn't a "pro" feature as even my cheap ass samsung TFT monitor (it's not the first time imac displays have problems...) that stands next to my 20" imac, can display white at the bottom and top of the screen without yellowing. We are not talking about "perfect colors" or perfect gamut... . Then would an eizo monitor makes sense.

And as being a "consumer" product, why does Apple plug their "pro tools" on it ?

"Ultimate Driving Machine" is pretty similar. It's a comercial, they say crap like that. Expecting perfection is the flaw. Buying a first generation of anything will have a few wrinkles. Its part of the deal.

So let me get this straight when on the imac pages they talk about color consistency from EVERY angle and not delivering it , you don't understand that some people are upset when they notice that this isn't the case ? Different (shades) of color at the bottom and top isn't really something I personally would call "consistent"... .

When I buy any item that advertises a feature, I expect that feature. Couldn't care less what other manufactures do or not do. Couldn't care less that its a product not focussed on the professional market. When they claim it does something, I expect it to do so. Nothing less, nothing more.

 

[bobob]

Lie on your back and think of England (and take what Apple gives you).

 

[09iMac=Fail]

bad analogy

Actually, BMW is having trouble with the High Pressure Fuel pump in the 335i's and all BMW has done is extend our warranty on the pump. The engine has been out for 2 years and '09's are still having failures.

As long as these iMac's don't have the flickering display or blackouts in 2 years( at least to the extent as it is happening now) Apple>BMW when it comes to dealing with problems.

Though the BMW community is hoping the new N55 engine fixes the HPFP that is plaguing the N54.

I still don't like the BMW analogy. The biggest reason is because BMW doea not advertise that their fuel pump is the "Ultimate fuel pump with superb and consistent fuel flow." If they did, and you got a bad one, I'd imagine you'd be more upset about buying into a bald face lie. Apple does say crap like this and it is BOGUS. Why does it seem like Apple is trying to sell a huge lie? Is it because they can, since many people who walk into an Apple store are uninformed?

 

[MacHamster68]

the thing is in the earlier days of motoring , if we stay in the theme of comparing cars with computers (lot of computing in cars nowadays so its a good comparison ) , it was common to recall , with adverts in newspapers , letters to customers , but that practice brought some manufacturers next to bankruptcy
so now they changed this practice they know people bring in their cars anyway for a service and they change the parts then ,
a bit more discrete in hope nothing about it leaks through to the press or public and computer manufacturers are no different
apart from one thing , customers do not bring in theire computers for a annually service , so they have to wait for the customer to bring in the computer after it failed , they even offer extended warranties
apple offered it after the bad cap issueon mac fitted with boards from end 2003 to end 2004 in 2006/7 they reacted and offered a extended warrantie on the bad cap boards for all mac`s with bad caps
only thing you had to do was bringing in your mac get it checked for a bulging cap and they would have changed the logic board ,

but they did not make that really public as it would not have been good for the image ,so they waited for customers to bring in their broken down macs

 

[robertgarven]

I have the new top end i7 and its working great, however a cracked screen and flickering and dying, would be acceptable. I had to buy a new one as my graphics card died on my G5. Does anyone know if the card on these is soldered to the motherboard like my G5???

http://modmyi.com/forums/mac-news/694466-problems-force-apple-delay-27-inch-imac-orders.html

 

[scroto]

For what you paid did you guys really expect a top of the line monitor with those specs and resolution? You pay for junk and you receive junk. The only thing impressive about these monitors are the specs. They look like ****.

 

[iMerlin]

I still don't like the BMW analogy. The biggest reason is because BMW doea not advertise that their fuel pump is the "Ultimate fuel pump with superb and consistent fuel flow." If they did, and you got a bad one, I'd imagine you'd be more upset about buying into a bald face lie. Apple does say crap like this and it is BOGUS. Why does it seem like Apple is trying to sell a huge lie? Is it because they can, since many people who walk into an Apple store are uninformed?

Personally I think your post misinformed. You are obviously just trying to stir the pot here. It is known that Apple has excellent customer service as well as a more stable OS. That is what they claim, plain and simple. They have never claimed 100% perfection, NO ONE CAN!

And to say that most people who walk into the Apple store are misinformed is again misinformed. Macs are not just a trend anymore, they are outstanding machines that many professionals use on a daily basis.

It is becoming clear to me that you are a troll and therefore I will no longer be wasting my time with this thread. Just like you don't have to waste your time in an iMac forum or with Apple at all.

 

[rs14smith]

For what you paid did you guys really expect a top of the line monitor with those specs and resolution? You pay for junk and you receive junk. The only thing impressive about these monitors are the specs. They look like ****.

Are you refering to the iMac 27" display or other 27" monitors?

I know most PC users state in their defense they can build a computer that has the same specs of the iMac for about half the price, and part of that is true.

So I personally would expect if I pay double what the computer should cost that the monitor and almost everything else advertised to work as advertised.

 

[dmackerman]

For what you paid did you guys really expect a top of the line monitor with those specs and resolution? You pay for junk and you receive junk. The only thing impressive about these monitors are the specs. They look like ****.

Have you even SEEN the displays in real life?

 

[slicecom]

Have you even SEEN the displays in real life?

I was going to reply to his ridiculous comment but judging by his post history, it seems he gets off on trying to piss off Apple fans.

The 27" display is commonly regarded as the best display Apple has made (yes, better than the Cinema Displays), so just ignore his flamebait.

 

[Ecoh]

I am a professional photographer. The two-toned screen on my 27" i7 bothers me somewhat. It can't be calibrated because the top half will always be different than the bottom half. I am just fanatic about having what is printed match the screen. Only the center of the screen is perfect, so I check my colors in that area. I don't do weddings or really critical color work so I can live with it until I see Apple has solved the problem and then I will have it fixed. My iMac is otherwise perfect , the screen is much better than my last iMac, and the processing speed is fantastic, so I am happy. Although I would be happier without the gradient on the screen

 

[bobob]

Are you refering to the iMac 27" display or other 27" monitors?

I know most PC users state in their defense they can build a computer that has the same specs of the iMac for about half the price, and part of that is true.

So I personally would expect if I pay double what the computer should cost that the monitor and almost everything else advertised to work as advertised.

According to this article, the new iMac is one of the better values Apple has ever offered relative to the component costs (especially the monitor).

"The closest existing panel for comparison, spec-wise, is the 30” IPS panel that Apple uses in their Cinema Display. It has the ultra-high resolution and size, but doesn’t compete with the 27” iMac’s panel for brightness, contrast, power efficiency, or color range. It’s overpriced by today’s standards at $1800, but not by much — Dell’s original 30” monitor with the same panel is $1200, and a newer version with better specs (although still not as good as the new iMac’s) is $1700.

A standalone monitor with the new iMac’s panel would be perfectly reasonably priced at about $1500. From Dell. Apple’s only charging $200 more than that for theirs, and there’s an entire high-end computer stuck to the back of it."

 

[scottness]

I think the funny part of this is that the people who exchange their computer six or seven times obviously don't need it for anything.

So true. Bizarre, huh?

 

[slicecom]

So true. Bizarre, huh?

Yeah because I'm sure anyone who buys a new iMac has never owned a computer before and can't possibly use their previous computer while waiting for an acceptable replacement.

 

[09iMac=Fail]

Personally I think your post misinformed. You are obviously just trying to stir the pot here. It is known that Apple has excellent customer service as well as a more stable OS. That is what they claim, plain and simple. They have never claimed 100% perfection, NO ONE CAN!

And to say that most people who walk into the Apple store are misinformed is again misinformed. Macs are not just a trend anymore, they are outstanding machines that many professionals use on a daily basis.

It is becoming clear to me that you are a troll and therefore I will no longer be wasting my time with this thread. Just like you don't have to waste your time in an iMac forum or with Apple at all.

I did not say "most" people who walk into an Apple store are uniformed, I said "many." There is a big difference. I'm sorry, but it is Apple who markets towards these people, who can't figure out how to plug their camera into their computer. Don't be mad at me. I imagine that most people of this forum, including you, are extremely competent when it comes to using their macs.

I agree with you that Apple has the best CS in the business and the best OS, but they claim more and they are not coming through right now.

 

[nanofrog]

I agree with you that Apple has the best CS in the business and the best OS, but they claim more and they are not coming through right now.

Even this is arguable. I'd agree with it for consumer systems, but not professional systems (i.e. MacPro's and XServes). Those are treated as consumer systems by Apple, and the support is actually better from the likes of Dell, HP, and Sun for such systems in my experience. Substantially so, actually (i.e. 24hr turn-around on repair tickets, and it's on-site, no distance limitations = never haul the system to a repair location).

The OS is subjective (not everyone uses them the same way), and any disparagements have notably shrunk since the release of Win7. I actually recall seeing more issues with OS X than Win7 (surprisingly).

It's becoming harder for some to justify the continued use of OS X and Macs. Others are quite happy, and/or may have too much invested in the software to switch back. But for those who can, or who's software is moving back to Windows (i.e. 3D graphics work), the comparisions are quite valid, and other vendor's systems may win out in terms of an overall balance.

 

[MovieCutter]

Even this is arguable. I'd agree with it for consumer systems, but not professional systems (i.e. MacPro's and XServes). Those are treated as consumer systems by Apple, and the support is actually better from the likes of Dell, HP, and Sun for such systems in my experience. Substantially so, actually (i.e. 24hr turn-around on repair tickets, and it's on-site, no distance limitations = never haul the system to a repair location).

Mac Pros and XServes have on-site support...it's just not well-known. There is a distance limit of 150 miles I think.

 

[nanofrog]

Mac Pros and XServes have on-site support...it's just not well-known. There is a distance limit of 150 miles I think.

I know there's an on-site aspect to it, but it's conditional. And IIRC, it's 50 miles. At any rate, they expect an enterprise location to pack up an expensive workstation, and haul it in, if within the distance limit. Outside of it, and they'll do it, but make you feel like they're doing you a MASSIVE favor, and drag their heels getting it taken care of. Not acceptable for enterprise/business users. Even home users, given what they paid for the systems IMO. They're not budget boxes afterall...

Such situations need on-site service though, even if they're accross the street from the manufacturer's assembly plant.

 

[lilo777]

I generally agree with you but ...

Ok folks, I've had my i7 8GB 1TB iMac since Nov. 26 and this machine is incredible. I thought I had the perfect system. THEN, out of sheer curiosity, I decide to check out the forums @ Macrumors. Yellow tinge, noisy HD, etc.

So what do I do? Yep, obsessively check the screen (27") and yes, there is a slight yellow tinge at the bottom. And yes, the 1TB Seagate makes seeking noises (which by the way, I've been hearing for the past 22 years of PC / hard drive use).

So as far as I was concerned, my system was functioning perfectly well until I read about the OCD Mac types who exchange their system 6 or 7 times expecting a different result. I would not even have the time to do such a thing nor the stomach lining. As for the "I paid $xxxx so I deserve perfection" argument, get real. I have friends who've spent $50+K on BMWs and have various issues. My $32K Accord is excellent but not perfect (rattles in various places, some fixed, some not).

This is my first Mac desktop and it is by far the quietest computer I've ever owned. I am used to a helluva lot more noise from a computer and hard drive seeking noises don't even register. My point is that there are more important things in life than seeking perfection from your Mac. If the system is acceptable TO YOU, enjoy it and move on. Don't let the Howie Mandel wannabes on this forum put you on an exchange merry-go-round for issues that are still unresolved by Apple.

Comparing iMac to regular desktop PC may not be the right thing. First, desktops (primarily towers) usually do not sit right in front of you. They are hidden under the desk. The second problem is that when you buy iMac you already compromise on performance because it is built from laptop components. As part of this compromise one might expect HD to be slower but quieter. If it is not, it's a little bit unsettling.

 

[nanofrog]

Comparing iMac to regular desktop PC may not be the right thing. First, desktops (primarily towers) usually do not sit right in front of you. They are hidden under the desk. The second problem is that when you buy iMac you already compromise on performance because it is built from laptop components. As part of this compromise one might expect HD to be slower but quieter. If it is not, it's a little bit unsettling.

The i5 & i7 iMacs are using desktop parts though (CPU, chipset, and graphics chips for sure), not laptops. A bit of a departure from previous models.

 

[quagmire]

The 4670 and 4850 I believe are still mobility GPU's. Only the CPU's are the desktop version I believe.

 

[lilo777]

The i5 & i7 iMacs are using desktop parts though (CPU, chipset, and graphics chips for sure), not laptops. A bit of a departure from previous models.

Thanks, I did not know that. Then why do people complain?

 

[MacHamster68]

I was going to reply to his ridiculous comment but judging by his post history, it seems he gets off on trying to piss off Apple fans.

The 27" display is commonly regarded as the best display Apple has made (yes, better than the Cinema Displays), so just ignore his flamebait.

only for lcd monitors i agree ... but still not half as good as the crt screen on my eMac

 

[nanofrog]

The 4670 and 4850 I believe are still mobility GPU's. Only the CPU's are the desktop version I believe.

According to the specification section on the Quad core iMacs, the 9400 is the mobile variant (listed as the 9400M), but the ATI parts aren't indicated as mobile variants. If that is in fact the case, I'm not seeing it listed.

Thanks, I did not know that. Then why do people complain?

In general, not sure. But for some, the issues with it (i.e. yellow tinge) could be more than an annoyance (i.e. photographers, as they can't calibrate the screen properly).