Alright, here it is : The ultimate "Should I buy the 2017 13" or 15" Macbook Pro" thread.
I"ll get this started by posting this video:
I like the above video not so much because its an anandtech type analysis but for reasons such as him putting both macbook pros into a backpack, stacking them above each other, etc etc.
PREFACE: I have no doubt that as past or future macbook pro owners, a large number of have grappled with the unavoidable question in every generation of the MBP: Should I get the 13" or the 15"?
I had been a windows user throughout my childhood all the way until my freshman year at college. I owned seriously outdated laptops through high school and my first year. So at the end of my first summer in college (summer 2010), I took the leap. I bought my first ever Macbook Pro.
I bought a 15 inch and maxxed out the hardware specs:
Mid 2010 15" MacBook Pro, 2.66 GHz Intel Core i7, 8 GB 1067 MHz DDR3, Intel HD Graphics 288 MB, NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M
My final bill (with education discount and free printer) was just above $3000
And what a journey it has been...I remember unboxing around my best friends, roommates, ex-girlfriend. I got through college with this thing, earned my engineering degree, found my future apartments, traveled everywhere, got my first job out of college. What a long way we have come together. I know, I'm romanticizing it all. So much has happened, so much has changed and of course, the MacBook Pro has come a long way in its evolution.
7 years later (its summer 2017) and I am typing this post on the very same computer. I have gotten 7+ years out of this machine and it is still going strong. I have never encountered anything computing-wise that this machine couldn't handle. Some quick math > $3000/(7 years *365 days) = just under a $1.20 a day to own this machine and I have undoubtedly extracted more value from this machine than that in terms of productivity and pleasure.
However, it is INDEED FINALLY time. I probably could have gotten one sooner but with all the holding out, upgrade issues, the skylake debacle, I held off but I really need one now. I'm VERY comfortable buying one today even though I know the touch bar is gimmicky and coffee lake could be 30% faster.
I"ll describe my past use and future needs: I was an engineer in college so lots of time spent in MS Word, Excel and Powerpoint, lots of MATLAB, browser (unity player for red crucible), coffee shops and study rooms, lecture halls, airports, and lots of travel, lots of browsing (multiple tabs open), Netflix, HD content, VMs for my linux/programming classes etc etc.
After lurking for years on macrumors in the comments sections/forums, I am definitely sure that I am in the "90% crowd that doesn't do video editing and could probably get by with a macbook air/macbook/base model pro and some might even say - iPad/iPad Pro"
Well, I agree. Did I need all that power? NO. However, I didn't see it that way at all. I saw it as: This is the one computer I will buy and own for at least 4 years (all the way to graduation), I want to reward/motivate myself with the fanciest thing available in the market. We all know we can get cheaper, more practical, better specs, better value machines but I saw it differently. I saw it in the same way people see supercars.
Is a supercar necessary? no. Is it practical? no. Can you drive it to its top speed regularly, and on public streets? no. Is the fuel economy better? no, but owning one and knowing what you have under the hood (just in case you might ever need it) is a special feeling.
Sort of like comparing an Audi R8 with a Toyota Camry (the camry is an awesome car BTW)
Anyway, 7 years later and the calculus hasn't changed much. Regardless of whether I need it, and knowing myself, supercar fetish, need to future proof, etc etc, I know I will max out whatever I buy whether it is the 12" macbook or the 13/15" pro. I have a feeling that a lot of people feel the same way.
I"ll summarize this (sorry for CAPS):
I AM THOROUGHLY CONVINCED THAT THE REASON MY 15" MACBOOK PRO LASTED SO LONG (7+ YEARS) WAS BECAUSE I MAXXED OUT SPECS WHEN I FIRST BOUGHT IT.
However, I've grown in 7 years, I'm more mature, more practical, I now have a "work laptop", I travel so much more, our phones have become so much more mature, I have less "power hungry" uses, I value portability suddenly over size, I even keep eyeing the 12" macbook as much as I'm not fond of the processor, the 480p cam or the single usb port.
I have already decided that given the size and price difference, most people should just get the 13" pro if they want value for money unless they are EXTREME portability junkies.
However, as this thread suggests, my dilemma is between the 13" pro and the 15" pro.
The premise of this discussion assumes the following -
>Price is not an issue but is a consideration. You would buy either if convinced.
>You want a fair amount of life out of your laptop and want it to be capable over that lifetime
(4 years or more)
>you do value portability
>you are sure you want a pro model (not a macbook, air, iPad, no touch bar version, older models, refurbished anything)
My current uses for a laptop -
lots and lots of browsing (20+ tabs)
netflix
other streaming content
really good screen for reading (nytimes, other high quality publications)
editing documents that are important like resumes or business school applications
ability to install awesome apps that may become useful (like financial simulators, i may pick up photography)
travel research while i travel and working at airports
serious imessage
also remember I don't own a TV, my macbook pro is my primary screen, when I did own one, I usually streamed on my macbook pro and just connected over HDMI to my samsung tv, never owned an apple tv or some other streaming box set, just felt a computer was so much better for displaying or playing anything)
the 2" of screen real estate feels like it could make a big difference in my experience having only ever owned a 15"
Yes I know, I could probably still get my with an air/macbook/base model.
Here's what I've done: read tons of reviews, followed infinite threads, watched many videos on both machines, talked to many people and friends, and of course gone into the store and played around with both - holding them in my hands, typing etc etc. I realize that when I open word docs, webpages just about anything else is usually able to display everything just fine. For example, opening nytimes.com on 15", the ends of the screen are just filled with white. The 2 extra inches don't do wonders but I can see this being more useful when I have multiple windows/apps being open.
Still stuck in a dilemma.
In terms of specs, when I price both the models and max our specs, the highest end 13" is only $300 cheaper than the highest end 15"
I can't help but feel like that is so narrow compared to what you get for that additional 300 on the 15"
>extra 2" of screen
>quad core processor
>discreet graphics
>all 4 thunderbolt ports can drive displays, no difference between sides
>slightly louder speakers?
Of course, I spend more money and have a rather large laptop (described as a hummer by my friends and family who say - get the 13" instead. This includes working professionals, phd students, mba students and people who don't even care/obsess so much)
I realize in the end, the decision is still mine to make but I don't want any purchasing regrets. I'm not the type to own multiple machines for different use cases. I want to be happy like I remember my last 7+ years being, but perhaps I need to create this thread and solicit feedback, if only gain some validation.
So macrumors, let's talk about it - please post everything relevant - specs, performance, benchmarks, price, portability, resale value, useful life (future proofing), etc etc.
I want to understand how others thought through this decision. I realize some of you just know right away whether you're 13" or 15" folks.
I'm especially interested in people who have moved between these 2 sizes over time and people who have traveled extensively with newer generation 15" pro machines. What has that felt like.
I'm interested in people that sit and work at coffee shops with their 15" and look across and see someone with a 12" and think - oh, my macbook pro is so much more powerful but those folks have so much more space for their phones, keys, coffee on the table, are probably doing the same things on their machines that I am but are just as happy but spent less.
I have even had thoughts such as this - Why won't Apple just get rid of 13" and 15" so i don't have to make a choice. Get rid of air while they are at it. Just have 2 models - 12" macbook and a 14" pro model (15" screen in a 14" form factor) and of course have upgrade options for processor, RAM etc, stop selling older models (phones, iPads, laptops) as soon as new ones are released.
Clearly, I am overthinking all this but I want to work through this and improve my decision making skills while also making the most informed decision I can and I know, some people feel the same way - hopefully, this ridiculously LONG thread will help.
I"ll get this started by posting this video:
I like the above video not so much because its an anandtech type analysis but for reasons such as him putting both macbook pros into a backpack, stacking them above each other, etc etc.
PREFACE: I have no doubt that as past or future macbook pro owners, a large number of have grappled with the unavoidable question in every generation of the MBP: Should I get the 13" or the 15"?
I had been a windows user throughout my childhood all the way until my freshman year at college. I owned seriously outdated laptops through high school and my first year. So at the end of my first summer in college (summer 2010), I took the leap. I bought my first ever Macbook Pro.
I bought a 15 inch and maxxed out the hardware specs:
Mid 2010 15" MacBook Pro, 2.66 GHz Intel Core i7, 8 GB 1067 MHz DDR3, Intel HD Graphics 288 MB, NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M
My final bill (with education discount and free printer) was just above $3000
And what a journey it has been...I remember unboxing around my best friends, roommates, ex-girlfriend. I got through college with this thing, earned my engineering degree, found my future apartments, traveled everywhere, got my first job out of college. What a long way we have come together. I know, I'm romanticizing it all. So much has happened, so much has changed and of course, the MacBook Pro has come a long way in its evolution.
7 years later (its summer 2017) and I am typing this post on the very same computer. I have gotten 7+ years out of this machine and it is still going strong. I have never encountered anything computing-wise that this machine couldn't handle. Some quick math > $3000/(7 years *365 days) = just under a $1.20 a day to own this machine and I have undoubtedly extracted more value from this machine than that in terms of productivity and pleasure.
However, it is INDEED FINALLY time. I probably could have gotten one sooner but with all the holding out, upgrade issues, the skylake debacle, I held off but I really need one now. I'm VERY comfortable buying one today even though I know the touch bar is gimmicky and coffee lake could be 30% faster.
I"ll describe my past use and future needs: I was an engineer in college so lots of time spent in MS Word, Excel and Powerpoint, lots of MATLAB, browser (unity player for red crucible), coffee shops and study rooms, lecture halls, airports, and lots of travel, lots of browsing (multiple tabs open), Netflix, HD content, VMs for my linux/programming classes etc etc.
After lurking for years on macrumors in the comments sections/forums, I am definitely sure that I am in the "90% crowd that doesn't do video editing and could probably get by with a macbook air/macbook/base model pro and some might even say - iPad/iPad Pro"
Well, I agree. Did I need all that power? NO. However, I didn't see it that way at all. I saw it as: This is the one computer I will buy and own for at least 4 years (all the way to graduation), I want to reward/motivate myself with the fanciest thing available in the market. We all know we can get cheaper, more practical, better specs, better value machines but I saw it differently. I saw it in the same way people see supercars.
Is a supercar necessary? no. Is it practical? no. Can you drive it to its top speed regularly, and on public streets? no. Is the fuel economy better? no, but owning one and knowing what you have under the hood (just in case you might ever need it) is a special feeling.
Sort of like comparing an Audi R8 with a Toyota Camry (the camry is an awesome car BTW)
Anyway, 7 years later and the calculus hasn't changed much. Regardless of whether I need it, and knowing myself, supercar fetish, need to future proof, etc etc, I know I will max out whatever I buy whether it is the 12" macbook or the 13/15" pro. I have a feeling that a lot of people feel the same way.
I"ll summarize this (sorry for CAPS):
I AM THOROUGHLY CONVINCED THAT THE REASON MY 15" MACBOOK PRO LASTED SO LONG (7+ YEARS) WAS BECAUSE I MAXXED OUT SPECS WHEN I FIRST BOUGHT IT.
However, I've grown in 7 years, I'm more mature, more practical, I now have a "work laptop", I travel so much more, our phones have become so much more mature, I have less "power hungry" uses, I value portability suddenly over size, I even keep eyeing the 12" macbook as much as I'm not fond of the processor, the 480p cam or the single usb port.
I have already decided that given the size and price difference, most people should just get the 13" pro if they want value for money unless they are EXTREME portability junkies.
However, as this thread suggests, my dilemma is between the 13" pro and the 15" pro.
The premise of this discussion assumes the following -
>Price is not an issue but is a consideration. You would buy either if convinced.
>You want a fair amount of life out of your laptop and want it to be capable over that lifetime
(4 years or more)
>you do value portability
>you are sure you want a pro model (not a macbook, air, iPad, no touch bar version, older models, refurbished anything)
My current uses for a laptop -
lots and lots of browsing (20+ tabs)
netflix
other streaming content
really good screen for reading (nytimes, other high quality publications)
editing documents that are important like resumes or business school applications
ability to install awesome apps that may become useful (like financial simulators, i may pick up photography)
travel research while i travel and working at airports
serious imessage
also remember I don't own a TV, my macbook pro is my primary screen, when I did own one, I usually streamed on my macbook pro and just connected over HDMI to my samsung tv, never owned an apple tv or some other streaming box set, just felt a computer was so much better for displaying or playing anything)
the 2" of screen real estate feels like it could make a big difference in my experience having only ever owned a 15"
Yes I know, I could probably still get my with an air/macbook/base model.
Here's what I've done: read tons of reviews, followed infinite threads, watched many videos on both machines, talked to many people and friends, and of course gone into the store and played around with both - holding them in my hands, typing etc etc. I realize that when I open word docs, webpages just about anything else is usually able to display everything just fine. For example, opening nytimes.com on 15", the ends of the screen are just filled with white. The 2 extra inches don't do wonders but I can see this being more useful when I have multiple windows/apps being open.
Still stuck in a dilemma.
In terms of specs, when I price both the models and max our specs, the highest end 13" is only $300 cheaper than the highest end 15"
I can't help but feel like that is so narrow compared to what you get for that additional 300 on the 15"
>extra 2" of screen
>quad core processor
>discreet graphics
>all 4 thunderbolt ports can drive displays, no difference between sides
>slightly louder speakers?
Of course, I spend more money and have a rather large laptop (described as a hummer by my friends and family who say - get the 13" instead. This includes working professionals, phd students, mba students and people who don't even care/obsess so much)
I realize in the end, the decision is still mine to make but I don't want any purchasing regrets. I'm not the type to own multiple machines for different use cases. I want to be happy like I remember my last 7+ years being, but perhaps I need to create this thread and solicit feedback, if only gain some validation.
So macrumors, let's talk about it - please post everything relevant - specs, performance, benchmarks, price, portability, resale value, useful life (future proofing), etc etc.
I want to understand how others thought through this decision. I realize some of you just know right away whether you're 13" or 15" folks.
I'm especially interested in people who have moved between these 2 sizes over time and people who have traveled extensively with newer generation 15" pro machines. What has that felt like.
I'm interested in people that sit and work at coffee shops with their 15" and look across and see someone with a 12" and think - oh, my macbook pro is so much more powerful but those folks have so much more space for their phones, keys, coffee on the table, are probably doing the same things on their machines that I am but are just as happy but spent less.
I have even had thoughts such as this - Why won't Apple just get rid of 13" and 15" so i don't have to make a choice. Get rid of air while they are at it. Just have 2 models - 12" macbook and a 14" pro model (15" screen in a 14" form factor) and of course have upgrade options for processor, RAM etc, stop selling older models (phones, iPads, laptops) as soon as new ones are released.
Clearly, I am overthinking all this but I want to work through this and improve my decision making skills while also making the most informed decision I can and I know, some people feel the same way - hopefully, this ridiculously LONG thread will help.