Good to hear, I get my MBP tomorrow and hope I'll be blown away as you guys are
hey that youtuber.... luke miani?... did a really good side-by-side bloom video of 14" and the 13" including in the dark. It looks incredible.
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The display on the new MBP is really incredible.
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hey that youtuber.... luke miani?... did a really good side-by-side bloom video of 14" and the 13" including in the dark. It looks incredible.
The display on my 14” is indeed amazing. Really incredible.
I accidentally watched this video on max brightness and volume.
The display melted my optic nerves and the speakers ruptured my intestines.
I’m starting a class action against Apple.
The display melted my optic nerves and the speakers ruptured my intestines.
I’m starting a class action against Apple.
you do realise that "Pro Motion" is just FreeSync which has been on every cheap gaming monitor for the last 5 years. It's not even that useful on the desktop, more useful in games and movies.
seems some people can't separate Apple marketing from true innovation.
Don't know why the angry faces. This is a quote from arstecnica who are very sharp on the technical aspects of OS X:
If I hook a 120Hz monitor up to Windows 10 I will also get that "smoothness". Also, on the desktop itself Monterey will just stick to the maximum refresh rate of your screen, so it's not even using ProMotion/Freesync there.
If I hook a 120Hz monitor up to Windows 10 I will also get that "smoothness". Also, on the desktop itself Monterey will just stick to the maximum refresh rate of your screen, so it's not even using ProMotion/Freesync there.
So everyone is essentially using the same open "adaptive sync" standard, but Apple calls it ProMotion in their marketing, AMD calls it FreeSync in their marketing, and nVIDIA calls it G-Sync in theirs.
Also the person you replied to said "Unlike anything I've seen" not "Unlike anything that exists" so I don't think they were claiming that ProMotion is better than FreeSync / GSync.
From the arstecnica text you literally just posted:
"Apple doesn't call Monterey's variable refresh rate implementation "FreeSync," but that's essentially what it is, and monitors marketed as having FreeSync support will support variable refresh rates when used with compatible Macs."
But yes, it will run at 120 hz on the desktop because rendering a desktop takes less than 8.3 milliseconds.
There seems to be a misunderstanding of what is ProMotion. It doesn't give you "smoothness". A 120Hz monitor with no variation in refresh rate is what gives you smoothness. ProMotion saves battery life by stepping down to synched 30Hz for videos, or alternatively you could choose to run your desktop at 60Hz, and then step up to 120Hz for gaming.
Another way of looking at it is a Mac Mini hooked up to a normal 60Hz monitor running Monterey won't be any smoother than Big Sur on the same monitor.
Another way of looking at it is a Mac Mini hooked up to a normal 60Hz monitor running Monterey won't be any smoother than Big Sur on the same monitor.
It's not only for gaming. When you drag files or window real quick the system will adjust. When you scroll in Finders real quick the system will adjust so on and so forth.
Sure, but that's not giving you the smoothness. It's the 120Hz display itself that does that. ProMotion is basically "energy-saving by stepping down the refresh rate when it's not needed". But doesn't sound as sexy when you describe it like that.
In fact, I imagine with your MBP plugged in, ProMotion would be disabled entirely.
In fact, I imagine with your MBP plugged in, ProMotion would be disabled entirely.
Lol it is literally nothing even remotely close to FreeSync. Have had "FreeSync" displays for quite some time, thanks.
There is no misunderstanding. But you seem to like to hear yourself talk.
ProMotion is what makes running a 120Hz display practical, especially on a laptop. Good luck finding another decent Mac display that is 4K@120 and can hit 218 PPI, or better.
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Sorry, but that is a clear misunderstanding. ProMotion aka FreeSync does not make your desktop smooth any more than CPU idle states makes your desktop faster. A display that supports a higher framerate does.
And as for your "lol" I'll take the words of ArsTecnica over yours:
Sorry, but that is a clear misunderstanding. ProMotion aka FreeSync does not make your desktop smooth any more than CPU idle states makes your desktop faster. A display that supports a higher framerate does.
And as for your "lol" I'll take the words of ArsTecnica over yours:
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Pro Display XDR has 576 local dimming zones while MacBook Pro's screen has over 10,000. Not surprising Macbook Pro's screen is showing better contrast.
Apple is using the same branding for both features under a single umbrella. ProMotion is Adaptive Sync and the 120Hz max refresh rate. They like to harp on the battery savings that not having to drive the display at 120hz 100% of the time brings, but all 3 devices with ProMotion have both variable refresh and 120Hz max refresh (iPhone 13 Pro, iPad Pro, Mac Book Pro).
The nice thing about bundling them both is that you don't have to deal with resyncing the display signal, which means you can jump to whatever makes the most sense at the time, driven by the frame timings of your display engine at the low level (Metal, etc). Oh, a window is now moving? Ramp up the refresh rate. It's static? Drop the refresh rate back down.
It does get complicated as Apple does do some display sync fun with draw loops in apps that requires apps opt-in with the higher refresh rate, and hasn't adequately documented how to do it yet. I suspect someone was responsible for porting CADisplayLink and friends to macOS and didn't hit the right deadlines. :|
Holy smokes! Just got my 16” unit. Absolutely amazing image! I’m still stunned people complain this is too hard to use as a portable laptop, it’s virtually identical in footprint and weight to my 2013 pro I’ve been carting around the world for the last 8 years or so! You won’t be disappointed with the 16.
Stop selling FreeSync. AMD labels displays with 75 Hz refresh as FreeSync.
While ProMotion actually refers to the technology used to do variable refresh rate, it is synonymous with 120Hz displays at Apple.
Most FreeSync monitors are 144Hz, and have been available for years.
Of course, I would take OS X at any refresh rate over the ugly abomination that is Windows 10. It's great that Apple has implemented this, but let's not get carried away and pretend that Apple has revolutionised displays here.
It's possible to be an Apple fan without believing everything their marketing department puts out.
Of course, I would take OS X at any refresh rate over the ugly abomination that is Windows 10. It's great that Apple has implemented this, but let's not get carried away and pretend that Apple has revolutionised displays here.
It's possible to be an Apple fan without believing everything their marketing department puts out.
You seem to be confused.
ProMotion = variable refresh rate + 120hz capable display. It's literally both tech in one marketing term.
I really, really don't think you get it. FreeSync means NOTHING to me. I'm aware of it. Have been for a long, long time. I own FreeSync capable displays. Again, it means nothing to me. Because it's not showing me macOS, and certainly was not built in to my laptop.
Now that ProMotion is built into my laptop, it has revolutionized the experience of using a MacBook Pro with macOS, which is what actually matters.
I wondered why I’ve been running to the loo all day today, guess I’d better drop the volume a few notches
The display is astounding, absolutely loving it. Nothing that I’d read about it really prepared me for just what an improvement it is.
Also, what’s with everyone getting bent out of shape over people using the term ProMotion when they describe the smoothness of the display? It’s a marketing term to lump together variable refresh rates and the 120Hz max refresh rate.
Do we get all worked up because AMD uses Freesync to describe matching the display refresh rate to what is being pushed to the panel, when all it actually is, is a VRR? No, it’s a word, get over it.
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I don't think there has ever been a point where I've wished my 60Hz OS X destop was less flickery. Apple built in double buffered windows into OS X from version 1.0, and that pretty much eliminates perceptible flickr.
You just sound like someone who soaks up Apple's marketing speek. If they brought out 240Hz in a few years time you'd say it revolutionises your experience too.
It's like those who claim that "High Res" audio is so much better, and yet >90% of people can't tell the difference in a blind test between 320 kbps mp3 and uncompressed audio.
Dude! I'm on it right now working on UX Design and thought the same thing as I popped onto this forum!