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Will Apple fix the MB and MBP "whine" with a firmware update?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 38.2%
  • No; they will never acknowledge the problem

    Votes: 9 26.5%
  • No; it would result in a temp. increase/shorter battery life

    Votes: 6 17.6%
  • No; it is not possible to fix this with firmware changes

    Votes: 6 17.6%

  • Total voters
    34

emw

macrumors G4
Aug 2, 2004
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QCassidy352 said:
The reason raising the core temp is a problem is that once it hits ~67 degrees, which it does running this application, my macbook starts "mooing."
67°F?! Holy ****. I didn't realize it kicked in so low.
 

DHagan4755

macrumors 68020
Jul 18, 2002
2,270
6,154
Massachusetts
Let get something completely straight — The whine is NOT the Core Duo processor. It is the DC converter inside the laptop. If it were the processor then those with Intel Mac minis and iMac Core Duos would be complaining about the whine too, and they are not. This whine can be heard when using very specific aspects of certain applications on older PowerBooks and iBooks too.
 

QCassidy352

macrumors G5
Original poster
Mar 20, 2003
12,066
6,107
Bay Area
emw said:
67°F?! Holy ****. I didn't realize it kicked in so low.

lol sorry. 67° C. :eek:

DHagan4755 said:
Let get something completely straight — The whine is NOT the Core Duo processor. It is the DC converter inside the laptop. If it were the processor then those with Intel Mac minis and iMac Core Duos would be complaining about the whine too, and they are not. This whine can be heard when using very specific aspects of certain applications on older PowerBooks and iBooks too.

yeah, I was wondering if the desktop macs had this problem too, and if not, why not. How can you be sure it's the DC converter?
 

airkarol

macrumors 6502
Nov 12, 2005
280
0
QCassidy352 said:
yeah, I was wondering if the desktop macs had this problem too, and if not, why not. How can you be sure it's the DC converter?


The whine seems to change when the computer is plugged in vs. battery power. I get a higher pitched sound when plugged in, and when the MBP is running on battery, it sounds a little like a VERRRRY LOUD fan. But since it's different on battery and outlet power, could that have something to do with the DC converter?
 

emw

macrumors G4
Aug 2, 2004
11,172
0
airkarol said:
But since it's different on battery and outlet power, could that have something to do with the DC converter?
Dunno - could have as much to do with processor settings on battery vs. on power. It seems a little odd that if it is DC converter related it would stop when the CPU is loaded, unless it has something to do with the amount of power consumer (processed?) by the converter.
 

QCassidy352

macrumors G5
Original poster
Mar 20, 2003
12,066
6,107
Bay Area
airkarol said:
The whine seems to change when the computer is plugged in vs. battery power. I get a higher pitched sound when plugged in, and when the MBP is running on battery, it sounds a little like a VERRRRY LOUD fan. But since it's different on battery and outlet power, could that have something to do with the DC converter?

how interesting - mine is the reverse. It's annoying audible when plugged in, but almost silent on battery power. (I wish it were the reverse...)
 

DHagan4755

macrumors 68020
Jul 18, 2002
2,270
6,154
Massachusetts
Plugged-in vs. not plugged in...you guys have to remember that in order for these laptops to work they have to convert AC to DC, hence that big power brick! Well just think that when you plug and unplug your Mag-Safe connector there are different power consumption levels, hence different aspects to the whine (or sometimes lack thereof). The Intel processor speed-steps according to whether or not it's running on a battery or connected to the mains.

Desktops have a constant level of power (because they are always connected to AC) and they are also bigger on consumption for a brighter LCD backlight, and faster and bigger hard drives. Plus in most cases, there's going to another constant too: a wired keyboard and mouse always using USB power, or a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse constantly using Bluetooth power where that's not always necessarily the case on a MBP.

Again this "whining" does not happen on the Intel iMac or the Intel Mac mini that use the same "Yonah" Intel Core processor. The only commonality to the whien is that they are all laptops.
 

QCassidy352

macrumors G5
Original poster
Mar 20, 2003
12,066
6,107
Bay Area
DHagan4755 said:
Plugged-in vs. not plugged in...you guys have to remember that in order for these laptops to work they have to convert AC to DC, hence that big power brick! Well just think that when you plug and unplug your Mag-Safe connector there are different power consumption levels, hence different aspects to the whine (or sometimes lack thereof).

Ok, I'm with ya so far... but why, then, would some people's whine get worse on battery power while other people's gets better?

Also, assuming that you are correct and this is the DC converter, what does that mean in terms of solving this issue? (Of note, emw had a bad adapter, got a new one, and the whine went away.)
 
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