The Hackintosh Thread

[lowendlinux]

I have to chuckle when I read this (or groan) because my update ended in kernel panics. And mine isn't a Hackintosh!
Everything went well on my cMP 4,1 (with 5,1 firmware) until I migrated my El Capitan User Folder into the new Sierra install. Kernel panics early in the boot cycle from then on.

I can wait. Glad you folks are up and running though.

Glad, and a bit jealous.

Why not upgrade in place?

 

[howiest]

Why not upgrade in place?

If a clean install fails... an upgrade in place is a guaranteed failure. But, maybe I'll try it. I have backups galore.

I'm more inclined to wait for several Sierra updates. El Capitan has been good to me.

 

[lowendlinux]

If a clean install fails... an upgrade in place is a guaranteed failure. But, maybe I'll try it. I have backups galore.

I'm more inclined to wait for several Sierra updates. El Capitan has been good to me.

With Apple waiting my be a good thing

I usually don't clean install unless I'm trying to fix something

 

[h9826790]

I have to chuckle when I read this (or groan) because my update ended in kernel panics. And mine isn't a Hackintosh!
Everything went well on my cMP 4,1 (with 5,1 firmware) until I migrated my El Capitan User Folder into the new Sierra install. Kernel panics early in the boot cycle from then on.

I can wait. Glad you folks are up and running though.

Glad, and a bit jealous.

That sounds strange to me. Did you install any 3rd party kext?

My 4,1 run Sierra so well (with 5,1 firmware

If a clean install fails... an upgrade in place is a guaranteed failure. But, maybe I'll try it. I have backups galore.

I'm more inclined to wait for several Sierra updates. El Capitan has been good to me.

Not sure if the system will check if the migrated data compatible in Sierra, but an upgrade will.

May be upgrade is better (not 100% sure).

 

[pastrychef]

I have to chuckle when I read this (or groan) because my update ended in kernel panics. And mine isn't a Hackintosh!
Everything went well on my cMP 4,1 (with 5,1 firmware) until I migrated my El Capitan User Folder into the new Sierra install. Kernel panics early in the boot cycle from then on.

I can wait. Glad you folks are up and running though.

Glad, and a bit jealous.

You migrated with Migration Assistant?

I just updated on top of my existing El Capitan...
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I usually don't clean install unless I'm trying to fix something

I'm way too lazy to do clean installs. The last time I did one was when I transitioned from PowerPC to Intel.

Even when I moved to hackintosh, I just re-installed OS X on top of my existing drive from my Mac Pro.

 

[Philocetes]

I have read this entire thread, and have a couple of questions. First, I note some discord between insanely mac and tonymac. I read instanely macs statement on tonymac. The question in my mind, then, is in building a hackintosh how do I decide which group's install approach to use? I am a programmer and am interested in under the hood stuff--but my primary interest would be to get the thing up and running and have it stay reliable.

I am using el capitan, and will be on it for quite some time.

I signed up at insanely mac and passed the two tests, for what its worth... What I am seeing over there is the lack of a simple guide on how to get started, and also, their recommended builds look like they are a few years old. I see the install guide list for the osx86 project has a blank for the install process for el capitan, and then entries below it are talking about mavericks. So, am I missing something significant here, or is the insanely mac website out of date, or maybe not the right place to get started, but a good resource once one is up and running?

Thanks for your thoughts on this.

PS. on insanely mac, I found a link to an 'always up to date guide' for a hackintosh. It links to a tonymac write up... Odd?

 

[lowendlinux]

I have read this entire thread, and have a couple of questions. First, I note some discord between insanely mac and tonymac. I read instanely macs statement on tonymac. The question in my mind, then, is in building a hackintosh how do I decide which group's install approach to use? I am a programmer and am interested in under the hood stuff--but my primary interest would be to get the thing up and running and have it stay reliable.

I am using el capitan, and will be on it for quite some time.

I signed up at insanely mac and passed the two tests, for what its worth... What I am seeing over there is the lack of a simple guide on how to get started, and also, their recommended builds look like they are a few years old. I see the install guide list for the osx86 project has a blank for the install process for el capitan, and then entries below it are talking about mavericks. So, am I missing something significant here, or is the insanely mac website out of date, or maybe not the right place to get started, but a good resource once one is up and running?

Thanks for your thoughts on this.

PS. on insanely mac, I found a link to an 'always up to date guide' for a hackintosh. It links to a tonymac write up... Odd?

@TheStork can probably comment more on the bad blood and if it remains but it was significant a couple years ago.

If you just want to get up and running just use TonyMac they package things well so they're easy to use. The process of DIY that insanely mac is something good to go through the same as every Linux user should use Gentoo for a while and build LFS at least once.

 

[owbp]

@Philocetes ,
Well you've read InsanelyMac's take on Tonymac86, you just need to read Tonymac's General Rules page to comlete the picture.

All joking aside, both sites have useful info and can give you good head start for what are you going to do.
I've learned a lot reading topics on both of them, but i'm a lot more comfortable posting and participating on Insanelymac forum.
My impression is that IM is more "open source" community with let's make it work attitude (like Olarila etc) while TM is more in the use only this and that if you want any kind of help (won't go into other issues that you can read on the web).

Of course, other users will have different experiences and many folks post on both forums.

P.S. Since Yosemite and crazy lag of Chameleon support, TM has Clover guides on his site, so there really isn't much difference in which approach you will take.

 

[Philocetes]

Thanks, guys--Much appreciated! I am not trying to delve into the feelings aspect of this conflict. I believe I understand enough of the philosophical differences between the groups at this point.

So it looks like the tonymac stuff is a good way to get started, as long as I don't mind the moral debasement of participating in an impure open source project. (Just kidding about the second part).

One more question: TonyMac is recommending skylake cpu/100 chipset for a MacPro level computer. Is it possible/prudent to use an earlier generation of mobo cpu/chipset for el capitan? Just looking to cut costs a bit..

 

[owbp]

Of course you can, just make a habit of searching parts that you intend to build with in Google with hackintosh afterwards (or OS X name).
Then go throug the topic/site to see if it is 100% confirmed working.

 

[NOTNlCE]

Holding off on the upgrade for me. I had my board fail a few weeks ago and got an open box Asus X99 Deluxe to replace it. It was enough work getting that back up and running on the GA-X99-UD4 install from before, I think the only reason I have to upgrade would be Pascal support which isn't here yet. I'll probably throw it on a spare SSD this week and see how it runs on that machine. It's running like a champ on my MacBook though, and has been since DP1.

 

[Philocetes]

@owbp, thanks I will do that. I am seeing that skylake hit the marketplace in August 2015, so I imagine the new product premium cost has already softened a bit. Normally I look for the second newest generation of technology to hit a price performance sweet spot. In any case, studying the heck out of this so when I make a move I will improve my odds of avoiding problems.

 

[lowendlinux]

Holding off on the upgrade for me. I had my board fail a few weeks ago and got an open box Asus X99 Deluxe to replace it. It was enough work getting that back up and running on the GA-X99-UD4 install from before, I think the only reason I have to upgrade would be Pascal support which isn't here yet. I'll probably throw it on a spare SSD this week and see how it runs on that machine. It's running like a champ on my MacBook though, and has been since DP1.

Sierra feels a quite a bit quicker and some of the benchmarks are giving numbers to that feeling.

 

[Philocetes]

Sierra feels a quite a bit quicker and some of the benchmarks are giving numbers to that feeling.

I have been assuming that newer releases of osx will incorporate features to make hackintoshing more difficult. Is this correct? Anybody know of breaking changes with Sierra?

 

[navaira]

I got a lot of help on Tonymac AND InsanelyMac. Sometimes you get "here's a plist file, try that" and sometimes it's like "here's a 10-page incomprehensible guide, everything is in there". It took me a few days to make my Hack work as well as it does, and I managed, but I have a programmer background. Bluetooth was the hardest thing to fix, but I did get help on TM – from the same users who post on IM. So I have no preference.

El Cap brought some changes that made hackintoshing more difficult for sure. USB issues, driver issues, rootless, install problems... Yosemite was much, much easier IMO. From what I've read (but haven't tried) Sierra is much more straightforward if El Capitan works for you.

 

[BenTrovato]

So happy MR has stopped policing the internet and closing these threads like they used to do a little while back. I might have to start hackintoshing again!

 

[lowendlinux]

I have been assuming that newer releases of osx will incorporate features to make hackintoshing more difficult. Is this correct? Anybody know of breaking changes with Sierra?

I just upgraded in place nothing broke including audio.

 

[ekwipt]

Both of the sites will be used to fix your problems. Skylake is an easier build because of the 5K iMac being the exact same chipset. X99 isn't supported but it looks like the new Macpro when it's released will be a Broadwell-E so that should be easier.

There's a lot of guides but not many walk through guides as a lot of people on the sites have some knowledge of what they are doing.

I went in with no knowledge but get some of the basics, you have to be patient and do some searching before asking the same questions over on those forums.

 

[pastrychef]

I have read this entire thread, and have a couple of questions. First, I note some discord between insanely mac and tonymac. I read instanely macs statement on tonymac. The question in my mind, then, is in building a hackintosh how do I decide which group's install approach to use? I am a programmer and am interested in under the hood stuff--but my primary interest would be to get the thing up and running and have it stay reliable.

I am using el capitan, and will be on it for quite some time.

I signed up at insanely mac and passed the two tests, for what its worth... What I am seeing over there is the lack of a simple guide on how to get started, and also, their recommended builds look like they are a few years old. I see the install guide list for the osx86 project has a blank for the install process for el capitan, and then entries below it are talking about mavericks. So, am I missing something significant here, or is the insanely mac website out of date, or maybe not the right place to get started, but a good resource once one is up and running?

Thanks for your thoughts on this.

PS. on insanely mac, I found a link to an 'always up to date guide' for a hackintosh. It links to a tonymac write up... Odd?

When I first took the plunge, I knew nothing about hackintoshing. At the time, I was also unaware of whatever rift existed between the two camps. I just looked for the best tools help me get up and running. This led me to the tonymacx86.com forum and their tools.

 

[howiest]

That sounds strange to me. Did you install any 3rd party kext?

My 4,1 run Sierra so well (with 5,1 firmware

Not sure if the system will check if the migrated data compatible in Sierra, but an upgrade will.

May be upgrade is better (not 100% sure).

Yes, I've been running with SIP disabled the whole time. At first it was just for BootChamp to run, but there were other things too. I have a NewerTech MaxPower USB 3 card that needs drivers, and I suspected that as the culprit, but it wasn't. There's definitely a launchdaemon or kext causing the kernel panic. I've been updating systems for years, and not doing clean installs, so there's cobwebs in it.

I think I'll take the advice of trying an "in place" upgrade though, with Sierra. Thanks!

 

[dfritchie]

I upgraded in place from El Cap with no problems.

 

[howiest]

I just did an "in place" upgrade over El Cap, and the same kernel panic occurred.
I really don't want to hijack this thread, but here's the panic report if anyone can see anything that might help me...

Anonymous UUID: 80AE07E1-2532-E1FD-2E0D-74E562A9B38A

Mon Sep 26 19:18:59 2016

*** Panic Report ***
panic(cpu 2 caller 0xffffff800ad4186b): "Element 0xffffff8030ddf9a0 from zone kalloc.32 caught being freed to wrong zone kalloc.16\n"@/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/xnu/xnu-3789.1.32/osfmk/kern/zalloc.c:2664
Backtrace (CPU 2), Frame : Return Address
0xffffff8261543a60 : 0xffffff800acf748c
0xffffff8261543ae0 : 0xffffff800ad4186b
0xffffff8261543bc0 : 0xffffff800b286fe6
0xffffff8261543be0 : 0xffffff7f8b5a5e0c
0xffffff8261543cc0 : 0xffffff7f8b58824f
0xffffff8261543cf0 : 0xffffff7f8b5a1591
0xffffff8261543d30 : 0xffffff7f8b5af51e
0xffffff8261543d60 : 0xffffff7f8b58be6f
0xffffff8261543d80 : 0xffffff7f8b5a295b
0xffffff8261543dc0 : 0xffffff7f8b5a2bf0
0xffffff8261543e00 : 0xffffff7f8b521046
0xffffff8261543e40 : 0xffffff800b29bdcd
0xffffff8261543e80 : 0xffffff800b29bb1e
0xffffff8261543f10 : 0xffffff800b29b0d6
0xffffff8261543f60 : 0xffffff800b29caee
0xffffff8261543fb0 : 0xffffff800aca6af7
Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIParallelFamily(3.0)[52F1A21B-F265-3D00-8F29-FC5E2B4069BD]@0xffffff7f8b520000->0xffffff7f8b531fff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily(394)[0E35A335-5605-36FB-991C-D0D38F4FA4E7]@0xffffff7f8b4ef000
com.newer-tech.kext.mxpciel2esu3_usb(1.2)[95CD2269-3472-3679-A968-ACD2F24F8103]@0xffffff7f8b584000->0xffffff7f8b5dffff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIParallelFamily(3.0.0)[52F1A21B-F265-3D00-8F29-FC5E2B4069BD]@0xffffff7f8b520000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.9)[731443D8-78D5-30C8-939A-1ED3E857CA22]@0xffffff7f8b532000

BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task

Mac OS version:
Not yet set

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 16.0.0: Mon Aug 29 17:56:20 PDT 2016; root:xnu-3789.1.32~3/RELEASE_X86_64
Kernel UUID: 622D2470-C34D-31F9-A62B-6AA9A3C6A3CD
Kernel slide: 0x000000000aa00000
Kernel text base: 0xffffff800ac00000
__HIB text base: 0xffffff800ab00000
System model name: MacPro5,1 (Mac-F221BEC8)

System uptime in nanoseconds: 2253981214
last loaded kext at 1396826624: com.apple.filesystems.hfs.encodings.kext 1 (addr 0xffffff7f8c166000, size 28672)
loaded kexts:
com.newer-tech.kext.mxpciel2esu3_usb 1.2.0
com.newer-tech.kext.mxpciel2esu3_esata 1.2.0
com.newer-tech.kext.nwtmem 1.0.0
com.apple.iokit.SCSITaskUserClient 394
com.apple.driver.AppleFWOHCI 5.5.5
com.apple.driver.AppleAHCIPort 326
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagementClient 219.0.0
com.apple.driver.AppleHPET 1.8
com.apple.driver.AppleRTC 2.0
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIButtons 5.0
com.apple.driver.AppleSMBIOS 2.1
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIEC 5.0
com.apple.driver.AppleAPIC 1.7
com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall 171
com.apple.security.quarantine 3
com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet 8
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement 219.0.0
com.apple.filesystems.hfs.encodings.kext 1
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIMultimediaCommandsDevice 394
com.apple.iokit.IOBDStorageFamily 1.8
com.apple.iokit.IODVDStorageFamily 1.8
com.apple.iokit.IOCDStorageFamily 1.8
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCISerialATAPI 266
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily 4.6.4
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIParallelFamily 3.0.0
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily 394
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBMergeNub 900.4.1
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIFamily 288
com.apple.driver.usb.AppleUSBUHCIPCI 1.1
com.apple.driver.usb.AppleUSBUHCI 1.1
com.apple.driver.usb.AppleUSBEHCIPCI 1.1
com.apple.driver.usb.AppleUSBEHCI 1.1
com.apple.driver.usb.AppleUSBHostPacketFilter 1.0
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily 900.4.1
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBHostFamily 1.1
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHostMergeProperties 1.1
com.apple.driver.AppleEFINVRAM 2.1
com.apple.driver.AppleEFIRuntime 2.0
com.apple.driver.AppleBusPowerController 1.0
com.apple.iokit.IOHIDFamily 2.0.0
com.apple.iokit.IOSMBusFamily 1.1
com.apple.security.sandbox 300.0
com.apple.kext.AppleMatch 1.0.0d1
com.apple.driver.AppleKeyStore 2
com.apple.driver.AppleMobileFileIntegrity 1.0.5
com.apple.driver.AppleCredentialManager 1.0
com.apple.driver.DiskImages 444
com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily 2.1
com.apple.iokit.IOReportFamily 31
com.apple.driver.AppleFDEKeyStore 28.30
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIPlatform 5.0
com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily 2.9
com.apple.iokit.IOACPIFamily 1.4
com.apple.kec.pthread 1
com.apple.kec.corecrypto 1.0
Model: MacPro5,1, BootROM MP51.007F.B03, 4 processors, Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 2.66 GHz, 20 GB, SMC 1.39f5
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680, PCIe, 4096 MB
Memory Module: DIMM 1, 8 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x857F, 0x463732314755363746393333334700000000
Memory Module: DIMM 2, 8 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x85F7, 0x463732314755363746393333334700000000
Memory Module: DIMM 3, 2 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x802C, 0x31384A53463235363732415A2D3147314431
Memory Module: DIMM 4, 2 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x802C, 0x31384A53463235363732415A2D3147314431
AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme (0x168C, 0x9A), Atheros 9380: 4.0.74.0-P2P
Bluetooth: Version 4.4.6f1 17910, 3 services, 18 devices, 1 incoming serial ports
Network Service: AirPort, AirPort, en2
PCI Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680, Display Controller, Slot-1
PCI Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680, NVDA,Parent, Slot-1
PCI Card: pci10b5,8609, Slot-2
PCI Card: pci1103,1042, RAID Controller, Slot-2@11,0,0
PCI Card: pci1103,611, RAID Controller, Slot-2@8,0,0
PCI Card: pci1b4b,91a4, IDE Controller, Slot-2@8,0,1
PCI Card: pci1103,1042, RAID Controller, Slot-2@10,0,0
PCI Card: pci1103,611, RAID Controller, Slot-2@9,0,0
PCI Card: pci1b4b,91a4, IDE Controller, Slot-2@9,0,1
Serial ATA Device: HL-DT-ST DVD-RW GH41N
Serial ATA Device: Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB, 500.11 GB
Serial ATA Device: MKNSSDRE1TB, 1 TB
Serial ATA Device: Samsung SSD 840 EVO 500GB, 500.11 GB
Serial ATA Device: WDC WD30EZRS-14J99B0, 3 TB
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: BRCM2046 Hub
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: USB 2.0 Bus
USB Device: Keyboard Hub
USB Device: Razer DeathAdder 2013
USB Device: Apple Keyboard
USB Device: USB 2.0 Bus
USB Device: EyeTV HD
FireWire Device: built-in_hub, Up to 800 Mb/sec
FireWire Device: Voyager Q, Newer Technology, Up to 800 Mb/sec
Thunderbolt Bus:

 

[dfritchie]

Looks like a problem with the Newer tech usb driver.

 

[howiest]

Looks like a problem with the Newer tech usb driver.

Thanks to dfritchie, and pastrychef, after much retesting it is indeed the NewerTech USB 3 kexts. I actually had some boots that worked normally with those kexts installed which made troubleshooting even more difficult. But in the end it came down to those kexts, so good bye NewerTech USB 3 card because there's almost no hope of them updating the drivers.

My apologies to the OP of this thread for taking it off topic, but thanks again, this forum is the best.

 

[Philocetes]

...but it looks like the new Macpro when it's released will be a Broadwell-E so that should be easier...

No muy bien! You are suggesting an as yet unannounced mac pro will be using technology that is one generation behind, with skylake having been announced in two years ago and shipping for a year now. What is your source of said conclusion?

PS, looking around a bit, I see intel has a number of skylake based xeon cpus for sale.