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marksman

macrumors 603
Jun 4, 2007
5,764
5
I am not sure what weird world some of you grew up in where a device relies on another device can not be a computer.

That seems weird, and seems to defy the history of computing.
 

rasmasyean

macrumors 6502a
Jul 11, 2008
810
1
That's not what people mean by computer. They are expecting something where you have a certain degree of control over it like one with a desktop OS. Here you can install a whole slew of programs from the existing thrid party market as well as have a certain degree of freedom and RIGHT to modify it.

The iPad is not one of these things. The iPad is an Apple content provider. Third party creations will go thorugh the iStore and hence be controled by Apple...where they will also use to get a cut while limiting your ability go free will about it. You will need to get a jailbroken one (wich is technically against the rules) and hope people are nice enough to make non-certified stuff for it that works...if you want it to be "like a computer".
 

eplchamps0305

macrumors member
Dec 24, 2009
78
0
I do not consider my ipod touch a computer, and the ipad is a bigger ipod touch with little extras. When I get my ipad it will be for media consumption only.
 

master-ceo

macrumors 65816
Sep 7, 2007
1,495
3
The SUN
That's not what people mean by computer. They are expecting something where you have a certain degree of control over it like one with a desktop OS. Here you can install a whole slew of programs from the existing thrid party market as well as have a certain degree of freedom and RIGHT to modify it.

The iPad is not one of these things. The iPad is an Apple content provider. Third party creations will go thorugh the iStore and hence be controled by Apple...where they will also use to get a cut while limiting your ability go free will about it. You will need to get a jailbroken one (wich is technically against the rules) and hope people are nice enough to make non-certified stuff for it that works...if you want it to be "like a computer".

bingo.
 

eplchamps0305

macrumors member
Dec 24, 2009
78
0
That's not what people mean by computer. They are expecting something where you have a certain degree of control over it like one with a desktop OS. Here you can install a whole slew of programs from the existing thrid party market as well as have a certain degree of freedom and RIGHT to modify it.

The iPad is not one of these things. The iPad is an Apple content provider. Third party creations will go thorugh the iStore and hence be controled by Apple...where they will also use to get a cut while limiting your ability go free will about it. You will need to get a jailbroken one (wich is technically against the rules) and hope people are nice enough to make non-certified stuff for it that works...if you want it to be "like a computer".

Well put.
 

lordhamster

macrumors 68000
Jan 23, 2008
1,680
1,702
I don't know what I'll call it. Computer or Gonkulator or whatever... all I know is I'll be using it to:
1. Check Email
2. Browse Naughty websites.

Not necessarily in that order.
 

Night Spring

macrumors G5
Jul 17, 2008
14,883
8,054
The iPad is an Apple content provider.

That is one of its functions, but surely not the only function. Even on the iPod touch/iPhone, when I use apps like Bento to create and edit a database, when I use the built-in Notes app to write notes to myself, when I track my daily excerise through a tracking app -- I'm creating my own content, not just consuming content provided by Apple. With its larger screen, I expect the iPad to be even more adept for content creation purposes, once third party apps are written for it. Sure, there are some restrictions not on desktop/notebook computers, but that's a software issue, not a limitation of the platform itself, as the slew of jailbreak iPhone apps prove. To me, the iPhone/iPod touch were computers from day one, and the iPad with its larger screen is even more so. Is it the best computer for all tasks? Surely not. But it is the best ultra-mobile computing platfrom I've seen to date.
 

mrgreen4242

macrumors 601
Feb 10, 2004
4,377
9
I would consider myself a "power user" or "prosumer" (like I think most people at MR probably do) and I can say that the iPad covers a huge chunk of my computing needs - the stuff that it doesn't is split between software and hardware shortcomings pretty evenly.

Syncs to PC - could be remedied with either USB drive support and/or some good way to access a NAS (which is reportedly coming). This is possible to remedy via software, I think. As long as you have to have a computer to set the thing up and get media onto it, though, its obviously not a good computer replacement.

DVD Ripping - no real good answer to this with the iPad... no drive, not enough CPU power, no software support for such things. Eventually content will be all digital anyways, but until then I need a computer for ripping DVDs (and CDs, though I almost never do that anymore, which is where I expect video to get to eventually)

Bigger (external) screen - supports a VGA display, but only 1024x768 which is not adequate these days. I expect that future devices will give us at least 1600x1050 and DVI but until then a 10" display as a PRIMARY interface isn't going to cut it, and this is a fundamental hardware problem that will keep the iPad from being a good candidate for the #1 seat in most peoples house.

IDE for development work - nothing at the moment but I am betting on something becoming available this year for web development work - a nice text editor with good markup support and a built in FTP client (using the WebKit hooks for a live preview would be nice, too). Small software issue that will be fixed sooner rather than later. This won't help software developers though, as until Apple changes their dev agreement you won't be able to compile and execute code on an iDevice.

Other than that, I can see the iPad filling all my needs. While my list is long, it accounts for a pretty small percentage of my time on a computer. I use my 9" netbook as much as my iMac, these days, to be honest. Adding a Dashboard and/or multitasking/fast app switching to the iOS will hasten many peoples move to this sort of device as a primary computer, including me, very likely.
 

RazHyena

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2009
538
0
USA
I've noticed that many times in this forum, and in others, that people write that the iPad is not a computer and wasn't meant to be. The same thing is often said about the iPod Touch. I wonder why so many people seem to have such a narrow view of these computers.

The iPad is a computer. Right out of the box it will be able to run somewhere around 150,000 apps that run on the iPod Touch and iPhone. Included in these are apps that can manipulate photographs, including a Photoshop app. There are apps that create and manage databases. There are apps that compute the amount of concrete needed at a construction site. Write books and do other word processing... . The list is getting to be nearly endless. As far as I know, these are all processes that require computers and are exactly how computers are used.

Many on this forum may be mostly looking at the iPad to surf the web, listen to music, watch a video, send/receive email, etc., but that's not all it can do or was designed to do. I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs and the rest at Apple designed the iPad (and iPhone/iPod Touch) to be used like a computer. That is probably why the capability of creating all these computer applications was put into the SDK with all the APIs making real computer applications possible.

Personally, I plan on using my iPad as a real computer, just like I do my iPod Touch now.

What are you going to use your iPad for other than what the four main dock icons connect you too?

Cheers

Sorry OP, but it's still not a computer....at least not until it can do at least 1/3 of what cheapo netbooks can do.

Is this another one of those "trying to convince myself I actually need this thing" threads?
 

Night Spring

macrumors G5
Jul 17, 2008
14,883
8,054
Sorry OP, but it's still not a computer....at least not until it can do at least 1/3 of what cheapo netbooks can do.

"Computers" back in the early days couldn't do 1/10th of what modern day cheap netbooks can do, but they are nonetheless computers. May I suggest we define computers by what they *can* do, rather than by comparison to what other computers do?
 

Dammit Cubs

macrumors 68020
Jul 31, 2007
2,122
718
i personally won't be using a single app from the 140,000 apps. those are for the iphone. PERIOD.

I want to see dedicated apps for the ipad. Better interfaces, etc. Thats why i'm buying one. Not to put my iphone apps and blow it up.
 

mrgreen4242

macrumors 601
Feb 10, 2004
4,377
9
i personally won't be using a single app from the 140,000 apps. those are for the iphone. PERIOD.

I want to see dedicated apps for the ipad. Better interfaces, etc. Thats why i'm buying one. Not to put my iphone apps and blow it up.

With some exceptions, I would agree with that... the only thing would be if Apple creates some sort of multitasking where I can float an iPod app over top another full screen app I could see myself with running a couple of small games while doing other things (Poker Quest for example).
 

G4R2

macrumors 6502a
Nov 29, 2006
547
4
i personally won't be using a single app from the 140,000 apps. those are for the iphone. PERIOD.

I want to see dedicated apps for the ipad. Better interfaces, etc. Thats why i'm buying one. Not to put my iphone apps and blow it up.

I pretty much agree. I hope most of the interesting apps will make a transition to the larger screen format.

I am concerned, however, that some free apps may end up becoming pay apps. Also, it's probable that the equilibrium point for many of the iPad apps will be higher, with the cost of development, additional features, and the presumably smaller market translating to a higher price.
 

samcraig

macrumors P6
Jun 22, 2009
16,786
41,983
USA
I pretty much agree. I hope most of the interesting apps will make a transition to the larger screen format.

I am concerned, however, that some free apps may end up becoming pay apps. Also, it's probable that the equilibrium point for many of the iPad apps will be higher, with the cost of development, additional features, and the presumably smaller market translating to a higher price.

I see double dipping a big possibility. IE - some developers doing two version of their apps. Both would run on the iPad - but if you wanted full screen versions (ones that have been re-designed) it would be another charge.
 

mrgreen4242

macrumors 601
Feb 10, 2004
4,377
9
I see double dipping a big possibility. IE - some developers doing two version of their apps. Both would run on the iPad - but if you wanted full screen versions (ones that have been re-designed) it would be another charge.

That's possible, but because of the way Apple has setup the ability to create universal apps for both devices I think we might see more "full" and "light" versions, where the light will be the iPhone only and the full will be both in a single software package. I'm sure some devs will try to milk their customers but the sheer amount of software has been good at keeping most of them pretty honest.
 

admanimal

macrumors 68040
Apr 22, 2005
3,531
2
That's possible, but because of the way Apple has setup the ability to create universal apps for both devices I think we might see more "full" and "light" versions, where the light will be the iPhone only and the full will be both in a single software package. I'm sure some devs will try to milk their customers but the sheer amount of software has been good at keeping most of them pretty honest.

I hope that customers aren't too stingy when it comes to paying for all-new iPad-specific versions of their favorite apps. Sure, you might already own the iPhone version, but a good iPad translation will probably take as much work as developing the iPhone version, and devs who put in the extra effort to really enhance the app for the iPad should be rewarded, I think.
 

eplchamps0305

macrumors member
Dec 24, 2009
78
0
I see double dipping a big possibility. IE - some developers doing two version of their apps. Both would run on the iPad - but if you wanted full screen versions (ones that have been re-designed) it would be another charge.

so you expect developers to recode their apps for free?
 
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