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Honestly, while I like the mini for what it is, it's just not a small computer like a 12" Macbook.

And I literally use my mini for NOTHING but browsing and occasionally watching Netflix.

And I decided I'd still personally rather have a tiny ultraportable, full computer, like a 12" Macbook. No interest in an iPad with a keyboard attached to it.

I get tired of propping the iPad up, and it sucks to type on.
I agree that an iPad mini is too small to be used as a portable computer, like a MacBook. That’s why I have the 12.9 inch iPad Pro (which serves as my travel computer). The onscreen keyboard is big enough to comfortably type on, while the iPad is significantly lighter than a 12 inch MacBook (in addition to being far more powerful CPU-wise).

BTW, I also have a 16 inch MacBook Pro, but that’s for big jobs like website design, video editing and creating tracks in Logic Pro.
 
Like many things, it's not a matter of black and white - there are shades of grey. I agree that the iPad isn't quite there as far as a laptop replacement from my perspective, but it's getting there.

The've made some compelling changes in the recent iPad OS. The big ones are external drive support and even mouse support. These are huge leaps forward.

However there are two things that hold me back from using my iPad as a computer replacement. The first thing is proper external monitor support. You can only mirror your iPad at the same aspect ratio as the iPad on an external monitor and not extend it the aspect ratio of the external screen. Secondly, they really need to merge MacOS and iPad OS so you can run real pro apps on the iPad. However with project Catalyst maybe this will improve.

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Secondly, they really need to merge MacOS and iPad OS so you can run real pro apps on the iPad.
I had read somewhere that the new iMovie for iOS is just recompiled FCP with features removed to focus on ease of use and the touch screen... going to see if I can find that now. So, they wouldn’t need to merge, just develop those for the iPad.
 
Completely irrelevant about whether an iPad can replace a computer. Just because it can't in ALL use cases doesn't mean it can't in many others.
No, it's totally relevant. What are you gonna do when a potential client asks you to produce some music that can't be done on an iPad? Tell them their request is "irrelevant"?? No $ale for you.
But hey, keep it up -- more biz for me.
 
What are you gonna do when a potential client asks you to produce some music that can't be done on an iPad?
Well, it depends. If it needs to be done done on a Eurorack, I’d have to buy a Eurorack. If it needs to be done on a microtonal MPE instrument, I’d have to buy a microtonal MPE instrument. In business, it all depends on if the work you’re asked to do is within your capability to do and if not, if the expenditure to get there (training time included) is worth the contract. :)

There’s no shame in saying no to work you can’t or don’t want to do, there’s always someone else out there exited about the prospect that you just drove business their way!
 
the ipad works with ANY bluetooth keyboard.

Want a massive 101 key full size PC keyboard? Go nuts.

It does but for me the iPad is my portable device that can allow me do to basic productivity work. I don't want separate bluetooth keyboard. I prefer a case that fits the iPad :). Hence my comment about the keyboard size.

What to hook it up to a screen? Airplay to your 70" TV, or get a monitor adapter. Want to use a mouse? bluetooth mice work.

AirPlay works for Apple TV or Samsung. I own neither. I use my laptop for media consumption and I don't need TV. I do have HDMI adapter but this duplicates the screen. I need multiple screens as I tend to rely on my visual memory and I need to look at a lot of stuff in the same time and focus on them.

That being said there are certain things that I do exclusively on the iPad (in a combination with the pencil) - like reading and note taking. I do have to admit though that I don't have the need for tablet. If there was no Apple Pencil I would not have bought an iPad in the first place. I don't need classic tablet. I don't consume media on tablet or phone. I use exclusively only laptops or desktops for that.
 
This is how it breaks down for me:

Primary usage by device:

iPhone iPadMac
PhoneBooksPages
CameraPDFsKeynote
GPS AppsNotesNumbers
WalletPhotosiMovie
Common AppsCommon AppsCommon Apps


Common Apps can easily & effectively be used on any device above: e.g. Mail, Messages, Calendar, Reminder, Files/Finder, Maps, Find My, Safari, & FaceTime
Good breakdown. For me, I’d also add to the Mac: management of files, libraries, and devices (mostly because I don’t prefer cloud services), versioned Time Machine backups of all my data, as well as some special Mac software and added hardware specific to my job.
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I agree that an iPad mini is too small to be used as a portable computer, like a MacBook. That’s why I have the 12.9 inch iPad Pro (which serves as my travel computer). The onscreen keyboard is big enough to comfortably type on, while the iPad is significantly lighter than a 12 inch MacBook (in addition to being far more powerful CPU-wise).
The disadvantage to the onscreen keyboard though, even if one uses it proficiently, is that it takes up about half the screen real estate. If one is using it often, they essentially have a 7” screen device. I think that’s why many who do frequent typing go with the Smart Keyboard, even though it makes it overall heavier than the 12” MacBook.
 
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I'm just going to say this one more time for effect;

Apple has never claimed that iPad can replace a regular computer for all users in all situations. Therefore the entire topic is a figment of someone's [lack of] imagination in interpreting a thought provoking marketing slogan.

The End.
 
Not by a long shot. My MBP’s logic board recently decided that catching on fire and not displaying video is vogue, and thus has been out of commission. It’s currently traveling with the USPS to some guy in Florida who thinks he can get its communist tendencies out of its head. Maybe a good spanking will do, more likely some soldering.

In the meantime I got an iPad that I will give to my mom for her Birthday that for now Im using it as my MBP replacement.

it’s great, and because it came with an Apple Pencil, my friends have enjoyed the benefit of personal messages sent in the form of my elementary school cursive.

But, what I can equivocally and without a doubt declare: this is no Desktop replacement. It’s not even a laptop replacement, not by a long shot. *Anyone* who thinks this can even come anywhere close doesnt understand computers. I’m serious. Whatever Tim Cook is smoking in Cupertino, it must be stronger than anything I’ve ever tried.

Dont buy the marketing hype. Stay rooted in reality.

that is all.

Agreed. While I love my ipad pro for watching movies, listening to music, taking photos, etc. I find the screen size too small and the lack of ports (especially usb) extremely limiting for any serious work. Even for art I didn't use it that much, though I love the concept of the apple pencil and hope apple keeps iterating on it until it reaches perfection. I have a beat up old wacom intuos 3 that is my preferred choice when digital painting.
 
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No, it's totally relevant. What are you gonna do when a potential client asks you to produce some music that can't be done on an iPad? Tell them their request is "irrelevant"?? No $ale for you.
But hey, keep it up -- more biz for me.
It's completely irrelevant, read what I said and then write another reply. I'm not even talking about production, people in my school use it for note taking and engraving on programs like Notion or Fourscore.
 
In a way, I really hope that the iPad Pro goes the route of the Microsoft Surface. I'd like to replace a desktop, laptop and tablet with one iPad, and work from a single app instead multiple versions of the same app. Heck, while I'm dreaming, why not group the phone in while I'm at it - similar to how continuum worked for the Microsoft smartphones.

For me, it's rather cumbersome to carry around my MBP, iPad and iPhone. I doubt it would happen as Apple would prefer you to buy all these devices separately.

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It's interesting to see the direction Apple is going. Rather than getting MacOS apps to run on iPadOS, they're getting iPadOS apps to run on MacOS.

I had read somewhere that the new iMovie for iOS is just recompiled FCP with features removed to focus on ease of use and the touch screen... going to see if I can find that now. So, they wouldn’t need to merge, just develop those for the iPad.
 
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Well, at one point the smartphone itself was a 'convergence device' as it took the camera, flashlight, phone, remote control and so on and made it into one device that did all those things. I still use a smartphone in exactly that manner--never understood the obsession with bricks with 5"+ displays and eye strain watching a TV show or movie on such a small screen compared with a 50" TV set. For me it does a far better job as a tool to replace the need to carry so many separate items.

Maybe one day the tablet/iPad will achieve similar re: laptops, desktops, game consoles, TVs, etc. It's just not there yet. Personally I'd be happy when folks stop trying to use an iPad as a camera at a sporting event or concert.
 
doubt it would happen as Apple would prefer you to buy all these devices separately.
I think it’s an interesting idea, but I don’t know how anyone could do it “right”. Several have tried, maybe Apple has tried, internally, and just haven’t created anything they’ve thought would offer a compelling solution.

BTW, I didn’t find the original link, but I did find this one that also guesses at an upcoming coalescence of codebases. I think this was after Marzipan known as a thing.
Apple dropping Cineform
 
I feel the Microsoft Surface is a really good start though. I’m hoping Apple eventually does something similar.

I think it’s an interesting idea, but I don’t know how anyone could do it “right”. Several have tried, maybe Apple has tried, internally, and just haven’t created anything they’ve thought would offer a compelling solution.

BTW, I didn’t find the original link, but I did find this one that also guesses at an upcoming coalescence of codebases. I think this was after Marzipan known as a thing.
Apple dropping Cineform
 
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An iPad is enough for lots of people.

It not being a “a real computer” is nonsense rooted in old world thinking and reliant on a computer being regarded as “fixed use” device. I used to think like that, until I realised I was being curmudgeonly, resistant to change and flat wrong. A computer is a different thing to different people, just because you can’t do xyz on an iPad makes it no less a computing device.

I’ve had computers since the 1970s, an iPad absolutely would NOT be enough for me, hence why I’ve a gaming PC, a Mac Mini, a MBP and a loft full of old beige boxes.

That said, my 2013 MBP is possibly the last laptop I’ll buy, certainly in that form factor. It’s a device I rarely use, my mobile computing needs are easily met by a 12.9” iPad Pro. Better, in fact, due to inbuilt cellular and the versatility of a tablet.
 
It seems that everyone has their own definition of what a "computer" is.
However, in my view, basic stuff and some other stuff that iPad Pro can do is so basic in current generation of people that it's just an essential feature. For me, I get a real computer to do things that those basic machines cannot handle. So my definition of what a true computer is keeps raising in bar that iPad Pro as is shall never replace it (unless they come up with a "true OS").
 
In a way, I really hope that the iPad Pro goes the route of the Microsoft Surface. I'd like to replace a desktop, laptop and tablet with one iPad, and work from a single app instead multiple versions of the same app. Heck, while I'm dreaming, why not group the phone in while I'm at it - similar to how continuum worked for the Microsoft smartphones.

For me, it's rather cumbersome to carry around my MBP, iPad and iPhone. I doubt it would happen as Apple would prefer you to buy all these devices separately.

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It's interesting to see the direction Apple is going. Rather than getting MacOS apps to run on iPadOS, they're getting iPadOS apps to run on MacOS.
That’s a nice Windows Phone… ;)
 
Since moving to an RMM solution which supports connection from the iPad 4G I can now happily do a days work taking my iPad Pro with a Logitech keyboard.
 
Well, it depends. If it needs to be done done on a Eurorack, I’d have to buy a Eurorack. If it needs to be done on a microtonal MPE instrument, I’d have to buy a microtonal MPE instrument. In business, it all depends on if the work you’re asked to do is within your capability to do and if not, if the expenditure to get there (training time included) is worth the contract. :)

There’s no shame in saying no to work you can’t or don’t want to do, there’s always someone else out there exited about the prospect that you just drove business their way!
This is not about Eurorack or MPE, it's about thinking an iPad covers your general music production needs in the market. It doesn't, and probably won't for a very long time. Unless, of course, you're an "artist" who doesn't care and turns down work because "it's not what I do. I only work on an iPad!"
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It's completely irrelevant, read what I said and then write another reply. I'm not even talking about production, people in my school use it for note taking and engraving on programs like Notion or Fourscore.
So when you're done with school are you going to make a career engraving with only Notion or forScore? If you think so, you're in for a rude awakening. Nobody in the real world willing to pay for services cares about what you did in school, or that you only work on an iPad. Nobody. This is free advice. Take it.
 
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This is not about Eurorack or MPE,
It is about “what do you need to produce music” and you seem to think that... actually, don’t let me put words in your mouth. What, in your opinion, is REQUIRED to produce any music today?

Point is, no one in the history of music has purchased and enjoyed music based on what it was produced with. :) They purchase music based on what they want to hear. Not too long ago, musicians were recording using a mic worse than the iPad mic with effects worse than iOS GarageBand effects in their garage using equipment that has far more meager tools for mixing and mastering than iOS. And, they were doing just fine!

There may likely ALWAYS be people who will need your services, but are you upset that schools are teaching folks how to do well enough WITHOUT you?
 
Yesterday, I recorded a series of screencasts on my ipad using the screen recording function (basically recordings of me working on math problems in Notability). I then made minor edits in LumaFusion, then uploaded them directly to YouTube. Will be using them with my students in class tomorrow.

The ipad may not be a computer replacement, but it certainly has replaced the PC for numerous tasks as far as I am concerned.
 
It is about “what do you need to produce music” and you seem to think that... actually, don’t let me put words in your mouth. What, in your opinion, is REQUIRED to produce any music today?

Point is, no one in the history of music has purchased and enjoyed music based on what it was produced with. :) They purchase music based on what they want to hear. Not too long ago, musicians were recording using a mic worse than the iPad mic with effects worse than iOS GarageBand effects in their garage using equipment that has far more meager tools for mixing and mastering than iOS. And, they were doing just fine!

There may likely ALWAYS be people who will need your services, but are you upset that schools are teaching folks how to do well enough WITHOUT you?
The standard music production tool is still Pro Tools, which does NOT run on an iPad. Neither does any leading DAW. All require a PC/laptop. Sorry, I know of -0- pros using GarageBand.

It's true that no client really cares how you make their music... until you've been commissioned to write a virtual orchestral score and you deliver a turd that was made on an iPad cuz that's what your teacher and school friends use... "But, but it's awesome for loops 'n stuff!" Yeah, you'll be doing just "fine" until you're stretched beyond your iPad's capabilities, which will happen very quickly in the real world.

No, the schools are doing students a huge disservice if they purport to prepare them for the real world with inadequate tools. And they're cocky in their inadequacy. They're about to get their ass kicked by reality, and doubly so with the attitude.
 
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