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you hate the weight of the max but would be perfectly happy with more weight. sorry can't follow. maybe you hate a rectangle and would be happy with a folding phone?
I hate the weight of the Max. I don’t love the idea of a heavy folding iPhone. But I can justify a heavy device more so if it allows me the ability to look at a very wide rectangle versus the current narrow and tall rectangle.

The folding iPhone will also be much shorter than any of the current iPhones. So while the weight won’t be ideal, the size of the device itself will indeed be, for me at least.
 
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A large screen iPhone with the same weight as the 13 Mini could potentially tempt a lot of people though even with average battery life. You literally forget the 13 Mini is in your pocket or bag it’s that light, and a major USP in my opinion.
I agree, though I worry the Air will still be inconveniently bulky in width and height for certain types of pockets, compared to the mini. Add to that the new camera bar that could be prone to getting caught on the edges of pocket openings.
 
A post I wrote in Feb:

I believe this is a very deliberate step in the direction of a foldable iPhone.

Get people used to the idea that thin = good.

Optimize the tech as you develop and get real-world data to improve the next iteration.

Thinner, so the folded form-factor isn’t as chunky as it would be if you folded a current iPhone model.

Melt some minds when that thinner iPhone ‘suddenly’ folds in half.
 
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A post I wrote in Feb:

I believe this is a very deliberate step in the direction of a foldable iPhone.

Get people used to the idea that thin = good.

Optimize the tech as you develop and get real-world data to improve the next iteration.

Thinner, so the folded form-factor isn’t as chunky as it would be if you folded a current iPhone model.

Melt some minds when that thinner iPhone ‘suddenly’ folds in half.
A post I wrote some time ago concerning foldable phones.

If Apple proceeds to thin, foldable phones and that becomes all they sell, then I'm out. I had a foldable phone from 1999 to 2009. I am not interested in going back. I will find a different phone manufacturer that makes slabs.

If foldable phones are simply additional to Apple's other line of slab phones, then fine. But I'm not buying a foldable.
 
The iPhone 17 Air could end up creating an entirely new segment for Apple going forward, as others have said assuming it's not a one and done design. If that is the case one would have to assume that future iPhone Air's will be lighter and more power efficient, not to mention contain more of the physical innovations that Apple will introduce on future non-Air models.

But that begs the question how much lighter can future iPhone Air's possibly get? That's the problem when you base a product almost entirely around it's weight and thickness, if you are going to continue that product down the road you have to think of ways to keep making it lighter and thinner. Else it looses it's entire appeal.

Not saying that Apple will not be able to achieve this, but it definitely could end up painting them into a corner.
 
The iPhone 17 Air could end up creating an entirely new segment for Apple going forward, as others have said assuming it's not a one and done design. If that is the case one would have to assume that future iPhone Air's will be lighter and more power efficient, not to mention contain more of the physical innovations that Apple will introduce on future non-Air models.

But that begs the question how much lighter can future iPhone Air's possibly get? That's the problem when you base a product almost entirely around it's weight and thickness, if you are going to continue that product down the road you have to think of ways to keep making it lighter and thinner. Else it looses it's entire appeal.

Not saying that Apple will not be able to achieve this, but it definitely could end up painting them into a corner.
Well they can definitely make it better with each iteration, just look at the specs of the S25 Edge (direct competitor to the coming 17 Air).
 
The future folding iPhone is the main course.

Hate the weight of my 16 PM. Only got it because I prefer the larger width of the Plus/Pro Max for typing plus I needed the AOD.

The Air is most likely going to have an inferior battery, camera, and speaker, than my 16 PM. But I am thrilled to ditch all that for a super light device in-hand and in-pocket.

However what I truly want is that folding iPhone, which I do believe will be announced in the fall of 2026. So really the Air is going to be something fun and different to use for a year until the folding iPhone will be announced.

Anyone else feel this way as well?
I love the idea of iPhone Air. Fold - not so much. I really think it’s a gimmick. Time will tell.
 
The iPhone 17 Air could end up creating an entirely new segment for Apple going forward, as others have said assuming it's not a one and done design. If that is the case one would have to assume that future iPhone Air's will be lighter and more power efficient, not to mention contain more of the physical innovations that Apple will introduce on future non-Air models.

But that begs the question how much lighter can future iPhone Air's possibly get? That's the problem when you base a product almost entirely around it's weight and thickness, if you are going to continue that product down the road you have to think of ways to keep making it lighter and thinner. Else it looses it's entire appeal.

Not saying that Apple will not be able to achieve this, but it definitely could end up painting them into a corner.
That's not a concern at all. As long as the Air is far lighter than the rest of the lineup, it will standout.

What I think Apple wants to do in the future, if/when technology allows it, is make the rest of their lineup just as thin. Imagine the Pro iPhones but as thin as the future Air. When that day comes there won't be a need for the Air at all. It's just that right now you can't mix advanced tech and thinness in a smartphone, so they will, come fall, be two separate categories.
 
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That's not a concern at all. As long as the Air is far lighter than the rest of the lineup, it will standout.

What I think Apple wants to do in the future, if/when technology allows it, is make the rest of their lineup just as thin. Imagine the Pro iPhones but as thin as the future Air. When that day comes there won't be a need for the Air at all. It's just that right now you can't mix advanced tech and thinness in a smartphone, so they will, come fall, be two separate categories.
I have no problem with thin, assuming there is no more Bendgates like with the iPhone 6 series.

I DO have a problem with the phone being thin and the camera bulge being huge. THAT, Apple cannot seem to make thin. And yes, I know camera tech isn't there yet. I get it. But it makes no sense to me to have a thin phone with a camera bulge that isn't thin. What's the point? Minimalism should apply to the entire phone shouldn't it?
 
I have no problem with thin, assuming there is no more Bendgates like with the iPhone 6 series.

I DO have a problem with the phone being thin and the camera bulge being huge. THAT, Apple cannot seem to make thin. And yes, I know camera tech isn't there yet. I get it. But it makes no sense to me to have a thin phone with a camera bulge that isn't thin. What's the point? Minimalism should apply to the entire phone shouldn't it?
I mean, sure? But it depends how thick and heavy that camera bulge will be. From the dummy models, it doesn't look wildly thick to me. And certainly not a reason to not create a super thin and light device.

The Air is currently rumored to be 145 grams. If that is true, Apple has succeeded in making something impossibly thin and light.
 
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You expect a folding iPhone to be lighter than a 16PM?
Do you accept bets?
I never said that. If I'm using a slab, I want it thin and light. I can accept more weight if I have a mini-tablet in my front pocket.
 
A post I wrote some time ago concerning foldable phones.

If Apple proceeds to thin, foldable phones and that becomes all they sell, then I'm out. I had a foldable phone from 1999 to 2009. I am not interested in going back. I will find a different phone manufacturer that makes slabs.

If foldable phones are simply additional to Apple's other line of slab phones, then fine. But I'm not buying a foldable.
The folding phone will just be additional as it costs about double the price regarding rumors.
Why would any manufacturer want to lose their bread and butter business?
 
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Why would any manufacturer want to lose their bread and butter business?
The user I quoted said this:

I believe this is a very deliberate step in the direction of a foldable iPhone.

Get people used to the idea that thin = good.

You can call it my suspicious nature if you like (I don't trust people's motives or the motives of business), but my brain interpreted those sentences this way:

I believe this is a very deliberate step in the direction of a foldable iPhone <to replace the current lineup>.

Get people used to the idea that thin = good <so when Apple replaces the entire lineup with thin, foldable iPhones people will already have adjusted and the idea that there are no more slab phones will go down much easier>.

So, I was responding in that context, because this is the way my brain works. I find it much easier to believe that something will be taken away or replaced with something I don't like, rather than being added to.
 
The future folding iPhone is the main course.

Hate the weight of my 16 PM. Only got it because I prefer the larger width of the Plus/Pro Max for typing plus I needed the AOD.

The Air is most likely going to have an inferior battery, camera, and speaker, than my 16 PM. But I am thrilled to ditch all that for a super light device in-hand and in-pocket.

However what I truly want is that folding iPhone, which I do believe will be announced in the fall of 2026. So really the Air is going to be something fun and different to use for a year until the folding iPhone will be announced.

Anyone else feel this way as well?
Nope. I do not "feel this way as well." For me the iPhone is an essential tool, never "something fun and different to use for a year..."

Yes, it is boring to be me. My only decision is which of the top-competence iPhones to choose. Even the folding iPhone (which interests me a lot) will probably fail to meet my needs due to having a lesser camera. <sigh>
 
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Apple cannot seem to make thin. And yes, I know camera tech isn't there yet. I get it. But it makes no sense to me to have a thin phone with a camera bulge that isn't thin. What's the point? Minimalism should apply to the entire phone shouldn't it?
Physics. Cameras and especially camera lenses can not follow your wish that "Minimalism should apply to the entire phone shouldn't it?" without sacrificing camera competence. Take away the camera competence that customers demand and Apple easily could "make thin."
 
The future folding iPhone is the main course.

Hate the weight of my 16 PM. Only got it because I prefer the larger width of the Plus/Pro Max for typing plus I needed the AOD.

The Air is most likely going to have an inferior battery, camera, and speaker, than my 16 PM. But I am thrilled to ditch all that for a super light device in-hand and in-pocket.

However what I truly want is that folding iPhone, which I do believe will be announced in the fall of 2026. So really the Air is going to be something fun and different to use for a year until the folding iPhone will be announced.

Anyone else feel this way as well?
Your desire of a folding phone will probably not be liked later because the phone will be twice as thick and probably twice as heavy, and the screen will be plastic, not glass, with a crease down the middle just like the Samsung. The iPhone air will have a small battery and probably won’t last all day. Hopefully they will reinforce it somehow, so it won’t easily bend. The weight of the iPhone 16 Pro Max is not heavy. I don’t know why everybody keeps complaining about that.
 
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Your desire of a folding phone will probably not be liked later because the phone will be twice as thick and probably twice as heavy, and the screen will be plastic, not glass, with a crease down the middle just like the Samsung. The iPhone air will have a small battery and probably won’t last all day. Hopefully they will reinforce it somehow, so it won’t easily bend. The weight of the iPhone 16 Pro Max is not heavy. I don’t know why everybody keeps complaining about that.
It will very likely not be twice as heavy as the iPhone Air. Let's take a look at the Oppo Find N5. A large book-style foldable that weighs 229 grams. The folding iPhone will most likely be smaller overall in height and width than the N5 and essentially identical in width. Unless Apple has a very heavy hinge in mind (very unlikely), then the folding iPhone should actually weigh less than the Find N5.

The crease is rumored to be gone entirely or barely existing on the folding iPhone.

The 16 Pro Max is indeed very heavy for a slab device. Like I said, the Find N5 is only 2 grams heavier and offers you an 8.1" screen when unfolded. The folding iPhone will most likely weigh less than the 16 Pro Max.
 
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It will very likely not be twice as heavy as the iPhone Air. Let's take a look at the Oppo Find N5. A large book-style foldable that weighs 229 grams. The folding iPhone will most likely be smaller overall in height and width than the N5 and essentially identical in width. Unless Apple has a very heavy hinge in mind (very unlikely), then the folding iPhone should actually weigh less than the Find N5.

The crease is rumored to be gone entirely or barely existing on the folding iPhone.

The 16 Pro Max is indeed very heavy for a slab device. Like I said, the Find N5 is only 2 grams heavier and offers you an 8.1" screen when unfolded. The folding iPhone will most likely weigh less than the 16 Pro Max.
Well I don’t like folding phones, but that’s just me. Probably 2% of the iPhone or other phone community will want one. The fold will have to be very durable, constantly opening and closing will take its toll eventually. And what about the case for it? That will add thickness and weight to the fold. Probably won’t be able to use a screen protector on it.

The 17 pro max is going to be thicker (maybe heavier as well) with a rumored aluminum frame mixed with glass. I don’t think aluminum is a great choice, it’s not as durable. But I like thicker, probably going to be a powerhouse of an iPhone. I just hope the 1x gets an optics upgrade. Night mode with the current 1x fusion camera vignettes badly.

So you think the 16 pro max is heavy? Compared to what? I wish it was thicker so it will fit my hand better. As for the weight, nah, it’s light to me. Of course that all depends on your hand size and physical size. To a teenager it may feel heavy or it will be heavy to an elderly person. But most people up in age use flip phones from what I’ve seen in my area. Anyway, I respect your decision and opinions. I just do think I’ll be happy with a folding phone, not for use with photography or video use. I need the pro model for that.

I’ve held the Samsung folding phone, it’s thick. I’m. It familiar with the N5 you spoke of. I’ll look it up online….
 
I get the appeal of a thin phone, but if the battery is bad, why purchase the inferior device? The rumors say that a new battery case will be released alongside the iPhone Air. So, Apple's solution to improve battery life is making it thicker—like the Pro models? I hope I'm wrong, but it doesn't sound right.
 
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The future folding iPhone is the main course.

Hate the weight of my 16 PM. Only got it because I prefer the larger width of the Plus/Pro Max for typing plus I needed the AOD.

The Air is most likely going to have an inferior battery, camera, and speaker, than my 16 PM. But I am thrilled to ditch all that for a super light device in-hand and in-pocket.

However what I truly want is that folding iPhone, which I do believe will be announced in the fall of 2026. So really the Air is going to be something fun and different to use for a year until the folding iPhone will be announced.

Anyone else feel this way as well?
I’m genuinely struggling to understand why would folding iPhone be superior to the current one. Wouldn’t it be bulkier when folded and more prone to fault? And most importantly the bend test? 🙂

I’m betting that folding iPhone won’t go further than being a prototype. But we’ll see eventually. I’m just sceptical for in general
 
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