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Wildo6882

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Same. And right now I'm on a Pixel 2XL and really loving the direction P is going.

Yup! I was in the same boat. I was waiting to see what Apple did with iOS 12, and while I think they did a decent job with what they actually did, the only thing I’m excited for is grouped notifications. Which is kind of sad and pathetic, I think. And I learned that iMessage was the only thing actually keeping me on an iPhone, as I use zero Apple services.

I kind of like the direction Android as a whole is going. And at a much cheaper price.
 

torana355

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The Law of Diminishing Returns refers to a point at which the level of profits or benefits gained is less than the amount of money or energy invested.

I believe we’re seeing that happening in the smartphone space. It even seems to be accelerating. It’s very rare we see major advances in this space from year to year like we all observed from 2009-2016. During that time there were major advances each year in camera tech, screen quality, user experience, software usability and so on.

However, when we look at the advances in smartphone tech over the past 2-3 years the annual changes have become increasingly marginal and much more nuanced.

I’ve been a big enthusiast of smartphones and have owned probably 20-30 different smartphones over the past 8 years. But increasingly, I’m finding less difference in the changes year over year. It’s disappointing for me as an enthusiast because there’s less change each year to get excited about.

It feels like the majority of the growth of this area of tech has matured and at this point we’re seeing iOS and Android simply fine tune and tweak. It feels like they’re now what they are. We saw the same thing with the evolution of the home PC, video games, and countless other tech areas.

I still enjoy reading people’s experiences with smartphones, but for me, i find less and less reason to part with major dollars multiple times a year. You?
Its also good for the consumer as there is less need to upgrade every year, we can all put the money to use in other areas of our lives. My S9 is so fast and reliable i really don't think i will upgrade it for a few years, instead ill use the money to upgrade my 2011 MBA.
 

nviz22

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Same. And right now I'm on a Pixel 2XL and really loving the direction P is going.

I like the Pixel, but I also realized there are zero good Android watches that meet my needs. Sigh, I may have to force myself to use iOS if I want a highly supported smartwatch. Decisions, decisions.
 

Wildo6882

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I like the Pixel, but I also realized there are zero good Android watches that meet my needs. Sigh, I may have to force myself to use iOS if I want a highly supported smartwatch. Decisions, decisions.

What are your needs? I’ve been looking and there are some decent ones. Fossil is on sale right now. And the Fitbit Ionic and Versa actually work very well with Android. My wife uses a Versa with her S8.
 

Michael Goff

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I like the Pixel, but I also realized there are zero good Android watches that meet my needs. Sigh, I may have to force myself to use iOS if I want a highly supported smartwatch. Decisions, decisions.

I moved from the Apple Watch to the Fitbit Versa and I realized I'm missing very little.
 

Macalicious2011

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Diminishing returns for phones already started 2-3 years ago. Carphoneware house UK are experiencing slower revenue and profit growth because users hold on to phones much longer.

Cameras are improving but the difference between phones released twelve months apart is not night and day. The same applies to screen technology. Furthermore, phones are also becoming more expensive because manufacturers are packing them with more and more features that make little material difference to everyday usage.
 
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bgro

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Feel the same as most in this thread. The incentive to “upgrade” is becoming less and less. Software is the differentiator and for the most part now both Apple and Google are focusing on AI (lol Apple) and AR. The only real differentiation imo is the S-Pen on the Note series. I’m using an 8+ right now and will probably, for the first time in about 10 years, keep this phone for more than 1 year. The only thing I can see myself switching too is the Note 9 but past attempts have proven unsuccessful as I prefer iOS. iOS 12 has brought some well needed features to bring it (possibly) to parity with Android with the exception of customization which I believe will. Be coming in iOS 13. At that point, it will truly be a matter of preference and nothing else.
 

nviz22

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What are your needs? I’ve been looking and there are some decent ones. Fossil is on sale right now. And the Fitbit Ionic and Versa actually work very well with Android. My wife uses a Versa with her S8.

Notifications, music, seamless integration with my phone, years of software support, premium build/feel, activity/fitness tracking, strong battery life.
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I moved from the Apple Watch to the Fitbit Versa and I realized I'm missing very little.

I guess I could do the same thing, but does FitBit support their products well?
 

Michael Goff

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Notifications, music, seamless integration with my phone, years of software support, premium build/feel, activity/fitness tracking, strong battery life.
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I guess I could do the same thing, but does FitBit support their products well?

The Versa came with 2.0 (April 2018) and got 2.1.1 not too long ago. So maybe?
 

Altis

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The funny thing is that while advances in hardware and software are very matured now, devices still get very slow just as quickly as they did when the advances were much greater.

I have no idea why the 6/6S perform normal tasks slower than older devices used to do those same tasks. I think people are accustomed to the idea that of course, software updates will slow their devices down... but nobody stops and really questions why, given that the software isn't changing all that much these days to warrant the performance hit.
 
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Wildo6882

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Notifications, music, seamless integration with my phone, years of software support, premium build/feel, activity/fitness tracking, strong battery life.
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I guess I could do the same thing, but does FitBit support their products well?

I don't know exactly how long they support their products, but the Versa and Ionic are getting pretty decent updates. They're good for getting notifications and on Android you can use canned responses. There is also a way to load up music to it. They feel great and have ridiculous battery life. And of course, the activity and fitness tracking are top notch. They would pretty much have you covered in the Android world. It might not have that tight integration, but I'm ok with giving that up for some freedom.
 

nviz22

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I don't know exactly how long they support their products, but the Versa and Ionic are getting pretty decent updates. They're good for getting notifications and on Android you can use canned responses. There is also a way to load up music to it. They feel great and have ridiculous battery life. And of course, the activity and fitness tracking are top notch. They would pretty much have you covered in the Android world. It might not have that tight integration, but I'm ok with giving that up for some freedom.

I think it comes down to the fall since I am leaning towards the Apple Watch/iPhone combo since I was considering long-term sustainability. However, Apple cut off the AW Series 0 at Watch OS 4? Does that mean the Series 1 will be cut off at 5.0? I was thinking I may have to see Black Friday pricing after I decide on a phone anyways.
 

akash.nu

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The funny thing is that while advances in hardware and software are very matured now, devices still get very slow just as quickly as they did when the advances were much greater.

I have no idea why the 6/6S perform normal tasks slower than older devices used to do those same tasks. I think people are accustomed to the idea that of course, software updates will slow their devices down... but nobody stops and really questions why, given that the software isn't changing all that much these days to warrant the performance hit.

Not much change in the UI doesn’t mean the underlying code is not changing.
 

MarkX

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I think it comes down to the fall since I am leaning towards the Apple Watch/iPhone combo since I was considering long-term sustainability. However, Apple cut off the AW Series 0 at Watch OS 4? Does that mean the Series 1 will be cut off at 5.0? I was thinking I may have to see Black Friday pricing after I decide on a phone anyways.
Why on earth would you return to an iPhone if you hate IOS on mobile?
 

Altis

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Not much change in the UI doesn’t mean the underlying code is not changing.

If the underlying code is changing so that the performance is significantly impacted, but there's little change to the UI/experience otherwise... how can that possibly be seen as a good thing?
 
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akash.nu

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If the underlying code is changing so that the performance is significantly impacted, but there's little change to the UI/experience otherwise... how can that possibly be seen as a good thing?

They’re not actually related. For new features such as VR / AR and other such things require a lot of changes within the OS that might not have any UI elements associated to it. Only Apple knows what they’re working on. It’s way too complicated for us to just randomly speculate what’s going on.
 

Altis

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They’re not actually related. For new features such as VR / AR and other such things require a lot of changes within the OS that might not have any UI elements associated to it. Only Apple knows what they’re working on. It’s way too complicated for us to just randomly speculate what’s going on.

My point is that the drop in performance is no longer anywhere near proportional to the changes in the software.

Sure, they can be messing around under the hood, but when things like sending messages or skipping songs is far slower than it was on much older and weaker devices, maybe something's gone wrong.

Hopefully Apple means it when they suggest iOS 12 will focus on performance.
 
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