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For your use, sure the mini will suffice.. but for how long? There's no room for expansion, and it's already a lacking computer as is...

Well, it'll last for over a year and counting. I got my G4 Mini a month after it came out (pre-tiger) and it's still working great. Right now it's hooked up to my TV in my dorm as a DVD player/iPod feeder, but it's still going. I can't wait to get back home so I can hook it up and use OS X instead of the windows laptop I use at college. I can still do DVD's and IM people, and unlike XP, OS X doesn't slow with age, so chances are I'll be able to use my mini until the day DVD's, USB 2.0, Wireless G, BT, and S-video connections on TV's become obsolete. Not bad for $579.
 
There is more to the mini than being cheap. It is small, silent and has some really great software with it. Comparing it to a PC is pointless because of OS X and all the iLife apps and others.

-mx
 
the mini sould get interesting with the release of the itv. new customers are going to want a cheap computer as a itv server. and if they can use itv to use their Mini on their tv like a regularcomputer, we may have a nintendo wii like revolution of computing on our hands. apple is already headed down the road of online content with ITMS, .Mac, podcasting, and iweb so with contenders in the online market place like sony,M$ and nintendo ,apple will have to work their design genius to bring their media experience to the people in better ways than the game crowd.

the mac mini is a great idea for a computer. it only lacks the focus of apple to turn it in to something cool. lets hope we see a MINI revolution:p
 
The Mini fits it market very well. Speed even on the ppc version is good for basic computing. The newer ones have even better speed. It will get updated as time goes on as all computers do.
 
I really get amused hearing people talking about how "pricey" a computer is today, whether it be a maxed out mini or a MBP or a MP or whatnot. I remember the first IBM PC that I ever saw at a company where I worked at the time. They had just ordered it new, and including the base PC (not even an AT - no HDD!) and 640k RAM (that's right - 640K!), two 5 1/4" floppy drives, a keyboard, and a monochrome monitor (I think it was 14" or something like that) the price tag was over $5000. And that was in 1981 dollars, which would be worth much more today (probably between $10K-$20K). Now look at any computer on the market today and tell me it is pricey.
 
1. it's fine how it is.
2. i paid $800 when it was brand new. but again it's a matter of opinion. for example...your MBP i'm not sure the price you paid but i'm betting since it's a MBP it's a pretty hefty pricetag. if you upgrade anything on it...it gets out of control for most users. you may think it's a great buy, but it's really really expensive for one computer. for $2400 you're not even getting the maxed out MBP.....that's retardedly pricey for one computer. it better being doing crazy stuff and be my personal robot for that price.

1. You can't even compare a MBP to a mini and their price tags. Laptops are DEFINITELY not worth it unless you need portability. Everyone knows that. Granted, I got mine for $1600, so it's a good deal comparatively (to the regular price), but not in general.. BUT, being a student, I really had no choice but to get a laptop.

2. I'm not really sure what your point is anyways? Even at 800, that's drastically different than 1300. And furthermore, you were in the same boat as me and a laptop - were you getting the best bang for your buck? Absolutely not. But it was the computer that served your media center needs because of its small size. So you bought it. The guy I was talking to isn't looking to hook his mini up to a TV, he's looking for it to be his main computer. To max out a mini is just silly, IMO. If you look at the price versus what you get ratio, it's pretty obvious.
 
the price tag was over $5000. And that was in 1981 dollars
For many years, the computer you really wanted was always right around $5K, yet at the same time back in '81 you could get a C64 or Sinclair for ~$100. Why does it seem so hard to make a $100 computer these days? OLPC is trying, but has not been very successful... I guess the PS2, Gamecube and XBox are today's equivalents, but they're not as functional as the old $100 computers...

IMHO the big problem with the Mini now is that the 1.83 GHz version is $799 and for $100 more you can get a refurb 1.83 GHz MB or 17" iMac, both of which are a much better value.

B
 
I really get amused hearing people talking about how "pricey" a computer is today, whether it be a maxed out mini or a MBP or a MP or whatnot. I remember the first IBM PC that I ever saw at a company where I worked at the time. They had just ordered it new, and including the base PC (not even an AT - no HDD!) and 640k RAM (that's right - 640K!), two 5 1/4" floppy drives, a keyboard, and a monochrome monitor (I think it was 14" or something like that) the price tag was over $5000. And that was in 1981 dollars, which would be worth much more today (probably between $10K-$20K). Now look at any computer on the market today and tell me it is pricey.

That brings back old memories! The first IBM PC I used was pure rev 1. It had 128K RAM and a single 128K single density floppy - no clock or anything like that. You had to put the OS disk in to boot it. Then you removed it and put in your application disk. Whenever you wanted to 'save' your work, you removed the floppy again, put in the data disk, saved it, then put the application disk back in. If you had any crash, you had to begin again, starting from the beginning. I thought I had died and gone to heaven after we upgraded to an AST card (yep, that is where they started); it had a battery, clock, and an additional 256K of ram. We also installed two of the new 360K double-sided floppy drives, and the new DOS 2.0 which could read them. Later we added the IOmega Bernoulli box. It had (2) 10MB removable cartridges. All told, this system cost nearly $7000!

The cost for technology today is an incredible value. The Mini definitely has an undiscovered place in the business world. I do not know how many of you are familiar with thin-client computing. Essentially, a thin-client is an X-terminal, dumb-terminal, or disk-less workstation. They have become very popular. They basically run a remote session through Unix, 3720 or Citrix.

My company run Citrix. We have experimented with Wyse and HP thin-clients. These machines boot to Win XP Embedded shell. You can install some drivers and a couple small apps. They are strictly VGA, 4 USB 2.0, 10/100 Ethernet. The Wyse has a cheap keyboard and roller mouse. It does not have firewire or wireless. They cost about $500-$600.

For roughly the same price, I can score an entry-level Mini. The Mini gives me so many more options and I am actually deploying a computer. What is more, my users love them. I just wish they came standard with 1 MB.

If you are an IT Manager reading this, and are using thin-clients, you really owe it to yourself to look at this solution. In fact, if you are in a Citrix environment and using standard desktops, this is still a great way to go. Citrix is running your legacy apps, Office Suite and Windows proprietary software. Citrix client actually runs better on the Macs than the Windows machines.
 
I'll be buying (another) Mac mini as a media PC for me new (1st) house.

I have a G4 based one that will sit upstairs and be a dvd player/DVR for the bedroom. The new Mini one will be for the main room and I'll use frontrow initially for the "10 foot interface"

I'd settle for the lower end mini but I want a DVD burner - why isn't it an option in the UK store ? I'll be adding RAM to 1gb.

It would be nice to have C2D but I think price is more important. TV will be recorded to the internal drive but moved to a Server if I'm keeping it.

For me the mini is ideal for the above. Building a quiet, small PC would cost a similar amount and be more hassle IMO.
 
It would be nice to have C2D but I think price is more important. TV will be recorded to the internal drive but moved to a Server if I'm keeping it.

Keep in mind that the Mini is upgradeable to a C2D (pin compatible). When the C2D prices (in particular the T7200) drop below $200, I'll be doing that.
 
...I got mine for $1600 ...BUT, being a student...

imac and a used ibook would have been a better choice, and would have cost less. and you would have ended up with a laptop that you could hold on your lap without oven mits :eek:

...the price tag was over $5000.

yeah baby, run to the 'shack' for all your computer needs!
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...Citrix client actually runs better on the Macs than the Windows machines.

everything runs better on a mac :) well, except firefox...:(

Keep in mind that the Mini is upgradeable to a C2D (pin compatible). When the C2D prices (in particular the T7200) drop below $200, I'll be doing that.

that's what i did, without all that waiting for a drop bit... works really well.
 
imac and a used ibook would have been a better choice, and would have cost less. and you would have ended up with a laptop that you could hold on your lap without oven mits :eek:

er. no. maybe a better choice for you, but not for me. i need to be able to grab my computer and go, and still have that computer powerful enough to handle everything i throw at it... the iBook? yeah.. no thanks. crap video card, not widescreen, slow, ugly...

and the heat issue, btw, is overexaggerated..i've never had a problem having my lappy on my lap.
 
everything runs better on a mac :) well, except firefox...:(

Yea what's up with that? Really slow. I may have to switch to Safari which will suck because my work Windows and laptop Windows all sync bookmarks via Firefox Google sync.:(
 
My first mac (purchased 15 months ago) was a 1.42 g4. I have bought three more new and one used macs since then for family/business. Although the intel machines (macbook / imac) are no doubt faster, the g4 is plenty fast for normal use and is stable as a rock. I think I actually am more impressed with the G4 ibook and mini than the intel machines, which don't seem to be quite as stable (my perception anyway... ) I think apple would be wise to keep the price low on the mini as a 'gateway drug' for mac switchers. I felt comfortable switching with a mini basically because it was cheap and I figured that if I later felt it was a mistake to go mac... not a lot invested/lost to find out.

Kind of the route I went too. Ran Adobe CS2 fine. Got Lightwave running on it. Managed to switch over just about all the apps I needed to the OSX platform.

When I ended up with 1.5 TB of external storage and a DTV receiver hanging off it I decided it was time to get something a little bigger though... My new Mac Pro is a great machine, but I still consider the Mini to be one of the best machines I've ever owned (and I've gone through a lot of them over the years).

Now it it spending its time insidiously introducing the rest of the famly to the joys of OS X and iLife so I don't have to waste time supporting their Windows systems.;)
 
4JNA - The Tandy 5000 is kind of an extreme example since that was a high end Micro Channel system. I remember the Tandy line from that era - the 5000 was usually only displayed at a few of the larger volume computer centers.

The systems that were much more common were the Tandy 1000 series. If I remember correctly I had a Tandy 1000 TX with 768KB of Ram and a 20 MB hard drive. Also a nifty 3.5" floppy drive. Nothing like CGA graphics driving a huge 14 inch color monitor. :)

The other crazy thing from that time was the price for printers. Remember the price of 9 and 24 pin dot matrix printers?
 
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