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Smartphones have kind of reached a plateau design wise. They can’t get bigger without becoming ridiculously large, and the foldable technology is still not there for Apple to come out with one yet. So renaming the iphone Plus the iPhone Air and making it super thin makes sense. The plus hasn’t sold well, so the thinner design should spark interest in it again. Even if it only has one camera, I think it will sell well. People who are really into photography will always go with the Pro models. But how to make them look different? I think this rumor of a half glass half aluminum back with a new camera layout will look different indeed. From the 12 pros to the 16 pros, the design has looked identical. This new design should spark interest as well.
I think it is a good move by Apple, and will be getting the air as I struggle to think of situations where I haven't just used the phone as a single fixed lens point and shoot.
 
Arguing in favor for aluminum to make your case relevant isn’t the flex you think it is.
Whatever material the phone is made of it will be put in a case

As such, an expensive and flashy material I cannot see or feel, and which has no discernible benefits, is pointless

Apple realises this, which is why they are changing to a cheaper material without worrying it will be detrimental to sales
 
Whatever material the phone is made of it will be put in a case

As such, an expensive and flashy material I cannot see or feel, and which has no discernible benefits, is pointless

Apple realises this, which is why they are changing to a cheaper material without worrying it will be detrimental to sales
You obviously don’t know anything about materials or hardware design at all whatsoever. Since when is titanium/ stainless flashy anyway? Yes, it does have discernible benefits. It is much stronger, far least scratch prone, doesn’t oxidize. You could make an equally durable frame with less material. The ONLY benefit of aluminum over titanium is cost. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Let’s leave it at that.
 
I have a case on my iPhone 15 Pro Max, so it looks and feels like silicone. Titanium is a pointless expense for most.
Completely disagree. Premium materials are essential on a premium iPhone to justify the upsell. If this truly is aluminum, there will be something special about it.
 
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You obviously don’t know anything about materials or hardware design at all whatsoever. Since when is titanium/ stainless flashy anyway? Yes, it does have discernible benefits. It is much stronger, far least scratch prone, doesn’t oxidize. You could make an equally durable frame with less material. The ONLY benefit of aluminum over titanium is cost. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Let’s leave it at that.
Is it necessary to make a difference of opinion a personal attack?

You buy whatever you like and justify it however you want
 
A case on a titanium phone is a pointless expense.
Not for me. I have a nice leather wallet case that allows me to carry the few cards I need securely with the phone. The case improves my grip on the phone and helps avoid any scratches on the lenses and display when I set it down. Nice looking too. And no need to show off what the actual phone looks like because I don't care about such things.
 
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Not for me. I have a nice leather wallet case that allows me to carry the few cards I need securely with the phone. The case improves my grip on the phone and helps avoid any scratches on the lenses and display when I set it down. Nice looking too. And no need to show off what the actual phone looks like because I don't care about such things.
The argument wasn’t directed at you. It was in response to someone saying with a case, phone material doesn’t matter. Which is ridiculous. Your case sounds line it adds features.
 
The argument wasn’t directed at you. It was in response to someone saying with a case, phone material doesn’t matter. Which is ridiculous. Your case sounds line it adds features.
Though with a case the material certainly matters less. The back of the phone is glass, right? That means titanium or aluminum is relegated to just the edges I think. Aluminum may ding a bit easier but a ding in the edge may be mostly cosmetic and may not even happen with a sufficient case. By the way, no problem with those that do like to show off a barebacked phone -- to each their own.
 
Though with a case the material certainly matters less. The back of the phone is glass, right? That means titanium or aluminum is relegated to just the edges I think. Aluminum may ding a bit easier but a ding in the edge may be mostly cosmetic and may not even happen with a sufficient case. By the way, no problem with those that do like to show off a barebacked phone -- to each their own.
I own a repair company. I’ve seen numerous bent aluminum iPhones and iPads. When the iPhone 4 came out (stainless) I never saw a single one that was bent. Though I did see a few separated at the antenna line. Fast forward to today, iPhone 6 was laughably bendable. In fact, most had a bend in them regardless of case, just by sitting on them. What you don’t see is bent titanium phones. It just doesn’t happen. Whether you recognize its toughness or not, doesn’t matter. They’re far more durable and you’re better for it whether you want to give it credit or not.
 
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I own a repair company. I’ve seen numerous bent aluminum iPhones and iPads. When the iPhone 4 came out (stainless) I never saw a single one that was bent. Though I did see a few separated at the antenna line. Fast forward to today, iPhone 6 was laughably bendable. In fact, most had a bend in them regardless of case, just by sitting on them. What you don’t see is bent titanium phones. It just doesn’t happen. Whether you recognize its toughness or not, doesn’t matter. They’re far more durable and you’re better for it whether you want to give it credit or not.
Not having that same experience I'll bow to your expertise. I've been lucky so far and not having had any real damage having only had a handful of little three or four foot drops. I think the only iPhone I ever had any real dents/scratches on was the very first which wasn't well protected.
 
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Not having that same experience I'll bow to your expertise. I've been lucky so far and not having had any real damage having only had a handful of little three or four foot drops. I think the only iPhone I ever had any real dents/scratches on was the very first which wasn't well protected.
I haven’t used a case in probably 8 years or so. This 15 pro max has fared the best by far and still looks basically brand new. I understand that people are going to want a case regardless but I’d rather not go backwards on the rigidity scale. As far as looks go. Like you, I don’t care either. I just want it to be tough. I wish they made more devices out of titanium.
 
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Maybe they realized now that it’s not much of a selling point and the weight is creeping towards iPhone 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max territory so the switch to aluminum would make sense for reducing the weight to make holding one of these new iPhones more comfortable and save money for Apple at the same time.
Yeah, but they will lose the premium material selling point on the Pro models unless they do something unexpected with the aluminum. Be great if they were finally going to use Liquid Metal. Or, I wonder if the aluminum will only be used on the iPhone 17 Air to make it lighter, which would make sense.
 
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I have a case on my iPhone 15 Pro Max, so it looks and feels like silicone. Titanium is a pointless expense for most.
Why anyone kludges up a beautifully engineered iPhone with a tacky case is beyond me. Please do not suggest that because some folks hide their phones in cases good phone design engineering does not matter.
 
I think it is a good move by Apple, and will be getting the air as I struggle to think of situations where I haven't just used the phone as a single fixed lens point and shoot.
It's true. Most people just need one good camera lens. Plus even tho it may only have one physical lens, it'll be 48mp sensor, so Apple can include a 2x zoom by cropping like they do now. I think the extreme thinness will be a big selling point. It may even outsell the Pro Max for the first time. We shall see.
 
What I most want to know is not discussed. What's projected the battery life? How much does it weigh? What are the dimensions? How much memory is standard, and how much can be configured? What's it going to cost? What type of display? What chip?

Did you actually listen to the whole podcast?
What's projected the battery life? —> discussed extensively
How much does it weigh? —> discussed extensively
What are the dimensions? —> discussed extensively
What's it going to cost? —> discussed extensively
What type of display? —> discussed extensively
What chip? —> discussed
 
Lighter and weaker, we’ve had strong phones made out of steel or titanium for around 7 years now, going back to aluminum would be a huge downgrade, how can Apple spin this as a upgrade over steel or titanium???
These are all alloys. Just let Apple engineers do their thing.
 
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Whatever material the phone is made of it will be put in a case

As such, an expensive and flashy material I cannot see or feel, and which has no discernible benefits, is pointless

Apple realises this, which is why they are changing to a cheaper material without worrying it will be detrimental to sales
Nonsense. Many buyers that buy the uber-tough modern iPhones are aware enough not to uglify the iPhone by hiding it in a tacky case.

My iPhone Pros get used very hard, abused even, and I have not needed a case for one for years.

P.S. Other than you, what person ever called iPhone titanium alloy "flashy?"
 
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